So who won?

    By Flavius on Thu, 02/04/2016 - 11:14pm |

    Bernie was better than I expected him to be. Hillary was better than I expected her to be.. 

    As Bernie said in his last remark  they were both better than anyone we've heard so far in the disgraceful  Republicans mud wrestles.

    We're lucky to have two such high quality candidates.

     

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    Doesn't mean that I think they're equally electable although I wish that were true.

    I remember in  1972 talking with my Nebraska- born brother- in- law. I'd voted for McGovern and he'd voted for Nixon.  At some point I said  "We'll I'd certainly prefer to have McGovern as my next door neighbor". And John's face literally lit up and he said "Wouldn't it be great to have McGovern next door?"

    I'd probably have Bernie next door. But I think she's got a better chance at winning l


    by Flavius on Thu, 02/04/2016 - 11:32pm

    Generally, I think it was a typically good debate - our candidates are not diametrically opposed. I enjoyed, however, the uninterrupted back-and-forth that the moderators allowed that gave Sanders and Clinton a chance to spark against each other. That's how it should be.

    I liked Todd and Maddow; some of their questions were unexpected and gave us a different insight. But I miss what they missed - no mention of the heroin and opiate addiction devastating the citizens? A real opportunity was lost to discuss not only the issue in New Hampshire but across the country.

    They were who they are, after all. As candidates and as people. Exactly what we need, as voters, to help us make a really tough decision.


    by barefooted on Fri, 02/05/2016 - 2:17am

    What I really miss is the ability to discuss important issues without scoring points or playing defensive against inadvertant bad sound bites. More of a William Buckley vs. Noam Chomsky in a sitdown session. And yeah, "women's issues" like dwindling access to abortion (entirely a woman's plight? thought the dudes had some skin in the game, like paying child support or playing daddy instead of hitting the bars).

    Imagine in 50 years when Mideast oil doesn't matter and political focus is on countries maybe that need help or that we cooperate with or even actually threaten us, or a broader economic-environmental-political vision that's possible today? will dig deep in the drawer for my Sometime New York City button.


    by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 02/05/2016 - 2:25am

    There's reality and there's wishful thinking. That's true not only in how campaigns present themselves and the media defines them, but how we as voters perceive them. And above all, the questions we ask. If we'd done a better job of asking a long time ago we might be comfortably in the middle of answering today.

    Until then, we take shots at very old targets we'd thought vanquished ... as if there's such a thing.


    by barefooted on Fri, 02/05/2016 - 2:57am

    Thoughtful comments. They make me proud to be involved here.


    by Flavius on Fri, 02/05/2016 - 8:18am

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