This photo sent to Riedel purportedly shows some of Saudi security team outside the Saudi consul general’s home after Khashoggi disappeared pic.twitter.com/AKSEjlm9nD
Corker said he spoke w Saudi ambassador about missing journalist. “It was not, not a great conversation in that I asked him for the videotape showing him leaving. He shared with me that they only livestream their tapes. I’ve never heard of an embassy in my life that doesn’t tape”
Not sure what Trump expects to hear from Saudi leaders; US intelligence probably has the answers already, but will @POTUS accept the findings of his own intelligence, regardless of what foreign leaders tell him? https://t.co/ITZm7CzupF via @bpolitics
White House says Bolton, Kushner and Pompeo have all talked to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the disappearance of @jamalkhashoggi No word on what MBS told them. pic.twitter.com/KNvDZ9AnrU
It's not about whether Trump will accept the findings of his intelligence agencies. He doesn't care that MSB ordered the murder of the reporter. How does it affect the US when foreign countries kill their own citizens? Just as he doesn't care that Duterte has killed more than 10 thousand in his drug war. If fact he thinks it's great that Duterte is so tough. Off the record Trump probably thinks it's great that MSB was tough enough to kill Khashoggi.
Via pool, as Trump lands in PA: "Asked if his words about 'enemy of the people' may have contributed to the Khashoggi situation, Trump did not answer."
A couple SCOOPlets in this story: MBS demanded the call w/ Jared; and there were frustrations last among among Saudi watchers at a dinner w/a WH official. https://t.co/mDCatSYJDy
The intelligence pointing to an operation to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.
Especially because the royal family had already been given plenty of mulligans for 9/11 related matters and other events following. It was presumed after that that they would share with our intel the truth about whatever was going on. As opposed to trying to hide things by killing someone who was once basically an insider but was now working for the western media. They are trying to hide things and no doubt fucking up at it, too. Should actually have been done with the 2017 purge, doubt we know what was really going on with that.
Rand Paul imagined drones and liquor store robbers.
— I have never argued against any technology being used against having an imminent threat an act of crime going on,” Paul said.“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him, but it’s different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities.”
Twenty-two U.S. senators on Wednesday forced a U.S. investigation of whether human rights sanctions should be imposed over the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist last seen as he entered the Saudi consulate in Turkey on Oct. 2.
In a letter, the senators said they had triggered a provision of the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Actrequiring the president to determine whether a foreign person is responsible for a gross human rights violation.
“Our expectation is that in making your determination you will consider any relevant information, including with respect to the highest ranking officials in the Government of Saudi Arabia,” they said [....]
President Trump said he wants to move forward with a major arms deals with Saudi Arabia, but senators from both parties are warning that Congress may block these accords from going forward in light of the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.https://t.co/6ypisChwso
Don't know if it was posted here, but anonymous Turkish intelligence officials said they apparently have recordings of conversations in the Saudi embassy (it is bugged), with K speaking, and of his beating, torture and murder.
A temporary arms sale suspension is possible, although unlikely to last long, GOPers talk big, but then fall in line.
Both democrats and republicans suck up to SA because it can and will change it's oil production to moderate the effects when oil producing enemies in the ME try to punish the US by cutting back on OPEC oil production and raising prices
Yes it's $$$ BUT :As Axios' Dan Primack previewed on Monday, many of the world's largest prospective financial deals involve Saudi Arabia and are predicated on trust in MBS as a reformer.
Actually, so far the story is highly suggestive that Khashoggi was dangerous to them precisely because they feared he was going to ruin the illusion of trustworthy reformer and he had the inside knowledge to do that convincingly. And they got caught and now it causing exactly what they were trying to avoid. They have been clueless like this in the past, it's literally the king problem, happens because no one challenges their thinking, all yes men.
The purge of 2017 was supposedly all about corruption and reform and those like Friedman bought the narrative, but it also seemed all extremely strange to me. Some of it even seemed fake, just for show.
Bob Corker on Saudis: “I think they did it and unfortunately I think he is deceased. But they certainly could produce him and change the narrative.” https://t.co/Z5PuYbq6US
I’m terribly distressed by the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and reports of his murder. I will no longer be participating in the Future Investment Initiative in Riyadh.
Sir Richard Branson has suspended talks with the Saudi government over investment in his space tourism venture Virgin Galactic and has put on hold directorship of two massive tourism projects planned by Saudi Arabia along the Red Sea amid the deepening crisis over the disappearance and alleged murder of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi.
In a statement to the Guardian, Branson said that he had had “high hopes for the current government in the kingdom and its leader Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman”. But reports of the regime’s involvement in the disappearance of the Washington Post columnist “if proved true, would clearly change the ability of any of us in the West to do business with the Saudi government” [....]
Imagine it may change Elon/Tesla's funding options as well. $40 million seems cheap now for closing down that relationship (even though Saudis still own a good chunk, but at least not a near majority)
“You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.” Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings of #Khashoggi's killing: https://t.co/LEfDXlJaXl#JusticeForJamal
On the day Khashoggi vanished, a Saudi forensics expert flew into Istanbul. “Maybe the forensics expert was an add-on, after the fact, when they realized they were going to have a crime scene to clean up.” From @byaaroncdavis and @erinmcunninghamhttps://t.co/M9yDEFQhQ5
.@LindseyGrahamSC blasts Saudi Crown Prince MBS: “If he was responsible in any way for orchestrating this...then this becomes a completely different situation that shows complete contempt..by the Saudis, against us...This is about universal values.”
Senators in both parties are gearing up to force a vote on scrapping U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid mounting frustration over Jamal Khashoggi. https://t.co/9WDw0hy99f
I think it's important to remember this is probably less laziness than design. That's the money relationship, the family relationship. They don't want a diplomat managing the relationship. https://t.co/SirbgBqKgL
Politico describes Senators as being at a "boiling point":
New: Khashoggi’s disappearance and alleged murder has senators in both parties at a boiling point with the Saudis — piling new pressure on the Trump administration to do more. https://t.co/X6TxK8Hu2f@burgessev
World leaders, ministers, diplomats, military officers and policy experts are attending the annual Munich Security Conference, the premier global powwow on foreign, defense and security policy. German Chancellor Angela Merkel, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg are among those taking part in the conference in the southern German city. Follow POLITICO's live blog for the latest news and analysis from the conference, which runs from Friday to Sunday.
A man armed with a handgun entered the Henry Pratt Co. in Aurora, Ill., on Friday afternoon and killed five civilians, officials announced at a news conference. Five police officers were also wounded.
Police Chief Kristen Ziman said the gunman, identified as Gary Martin, 45, was killed in a crossfire with officers. She said, in a second late-night news conference, that the gunman was a 15-year veteran of the company who was being terminated Friday [....]
We all knew McCabe would take aim at Trump in his book, but his contempt for Sessions is staggering. Depicts him as addled, fixated on immigrants, racist. My review of the McCabe book in WaPo https://t.co/nEMmQXvJ07
House Democratic leaders have a rebellion in their ranks. And there’s no easy way to quash it.
House Democrats have repeatedly faced surprise Republican floor attacks since taking control of the chamber, part of a bid by the GOP to target their most vulnerable members and fracture the party. Just six weeks in, the GOP effort has been an astonishing success — dividing Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her top deputies and pitting members of the freshmen class against each other.
The House voted Thursday night to approve a border security deal that prevents a new government shutdown in a 300-128 vote.
The vote sets up President Trump to sign the legislation — and to declare a national emergency as a way of getting more federal funds for his wall on the Mexican border.
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by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:15pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:26pm
great short thread on Twitter, an interchange between Philip Gourevitch, Laura Rosen, and Hussein Ibish trying to communally analyze the geopolitics going on with this.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:14pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:20pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 1:53pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:21pm
It's not about whether Trump will accept the findings of his intelligence agencies. He doesn't care that MSB ordered the murder of the reporter. How does it affect the US when foreign countries kill their own citizens? Just as he doesn't care that Duterte has killed more than 10 thousand in his drug war. If fact he thinks it's great that Duterte is so tough. Off the record Trump probably thinks it's great that MSB was tough enough to kill Khashoggi.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:50am
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 6:39pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:42pm
WaPo: "BREAKING NEWS": Saudi crown prince ordered operation to lure, detain Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi, U.S. intelligence shows
The intelligence pointing to an operation to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:53pm
Op-Ed by Senator Rand Paul @ TheAtlantic.com: Stop Military Aid to Saudi Arabia
The regime must be held accountable for Jamal Khashoggi.
OCT 10, 2018
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:29am
I agree with Rand Paul on this.
by moat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 7:55pm
Ditto.
by barefooted on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:40pm
Especially because the royal family had already been given plenty of mulligans for 9/11 related matters and other events following. It was presumed after that that they would share with our intel the truth about whatever was going on. As opposed to trying to hide things by killing someone who was once basically an insider but was now working for the western media. They are trying to hide things and no doubt fucking up at it, too. Should actually have been done with the 2017 purge, doubt we know what was really going on with that.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:58pm
Can you imagine anything Rand Paul supports or believes being true or actually being acted upon?
Rand Paul imagining in 2014:
Rand Paul: ‘Can You Imagine If a Whole Ship Full of Our Soldiers Catch Ebola?’
by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:05pm
Point taken. It hurt to write those words.
by moat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 7:18am
Poor Rand Paul. Lennon imagines a bunch of stuff that would never happen in our wildest dreams and he's a hero for it.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 11:42am
Rand Paul imagined drones and liquor store robbers.
— I have never argued against any technology being used against having an imminent threat an act of crime going on,” Paul said.“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him, but it’s different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities.”
Then he ran away from it..
by NCD on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 1:03am
US senators trigger human rights probe over missing Saudi journalist ...
Reuters-6 hours ago
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:35am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:31pm
Don't know if it was posted here, but anonymous Turkish intelligence officials said they apparently have recordings of conversations in the Saudi embassy (it is bugged), with K speaking, and of his beating, torture and murder.
A temporary arms sale suspension is possible, although unlikely to last long, GOPers talk big, but then fall in line.
by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:04pm
Both democrats and republicans suck up to SA because it can and will change it's oil production to moderate the effects when oil producing enemies in the ME try to punish the US by cutting back on OPEC oil production and raising prices
by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:45pm
$$$$.
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that government of the dollar, by the dollar, and for the dollar, shall not perish from this Earth."
by NCD on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 12:31am
Yes it's $$$ BUT :As Axios' Dan Primack previewed on Monday, many of the world's largest prospective financial deals involve Saudi Arabia and are predicated on trust in MBS as a reformer.
Same thing from The Economist elsewhere on thread. Can't trust a "rogue" in a big business deal...investors are warned off by the capricious way he takes decisions....
Actually, so far the story is highly suggestive that Khashoggi was dangerous to them precisely because they feared he was going to ruin the illusion of trustworthy reformer and he had the inside knowledge to do that convincingly. And they got caught and now it causing exactly what they were trying to avoid. They have been clueless like this in the past, it's literally the king problem, happens because no one challenges their thinking, all yes men.
The purge of 2017 was supposedly all about corruption and reform and those like Friedman bought the narrative, but it also seemed all extremely strange to me. Some of it even seemed fake, just for show.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:28am
The end of the Saudi Whisperer; Tom Friedman bet big on Mohammed bin Salman and lost. What can we learn from that?
By Daniel W. Drezner @ WashingtonPost.com, Oct. 9
Praying for Jamal Khashoggi; Saudi Arabia stands accused of killing him. If it did, it will be a disaster for the regime of Mohammed bin Salman.
By Thomas L. Friedman @ NYTimes.com, Oct. 8
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:45am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:48am
hitting where it's going to make them care:
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:12pm
and The Economist sez:
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:15pm
Sir Richard Branson suspends Saudi business talks over Khashoggi affair
By Ed Pilkington @ TheGuardian.com, Oct. 11
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:43am
Imagine it may change Elon/Tesla's funding options as well. $40 million seems cheap now for closing down that relationship (even though Saudis still own a good chunk, but at least not a near majority)
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 4:13am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:16pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:32pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:24pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:00pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:07pm
House Committee on Foreign Affairs on board with Senate and it's bi-partisan; press release of their letter:
Royce, Engel Press for Swift Action Following Disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:42pm
Politico describes Senators as being at a "boiling point":
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:45pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 12:16am