Turkish Officials Say Khashoggi Was Killed on Order of Saudi Leadership

By artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:11pm |

Turkish Officials Say Khashoggi Was Killed on Order of Saudi Leadership https://t.co/bJBPy9hURa
— Sean Naylor (@SeanDNaylor) October 9, 2018

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This photo sent to Riedel purportedly shows some of Saudi security team outside the Saudi consul general’s home after Khashoggi disappeared pic.twitter.com/AKSEjlm9nD
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) October 9, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:15pm

New piece from @martinchulov on the Khashoggi affair:

-Turkish consulate staff told to take day off

-Security camera footage removed from the consulate

-Details of the Saudi private jet flights to Egypt and Dubai confirmed https://t.co/sj91SwkrdV
— Evan Hill (@evanchill) October 9, 2018

by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:26pm

great short thread on Twitter, an interchange between Philip Gourevitch, Laura Rosen, and Hussein Ibish trying to communally analyze the geopolitics going on with this.

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:14pm

Corker said he spoke w Saudi ambassador about missing journalist. “It was not, not a great conversation in that I asked him for the videotape showing him leaving. He shared with me that they only livestream their tapes. I’ve never heard of an embassy in my life that doesn’t tape”
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) October 10, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:20pm

“smooth over”? https://t.co/HRwavN24Yq
— Miriam Elder (@MiriamElder) October 10, 2018

Not sure what Trump expects to hear from Saudi leaders; US intelligence probably has the answers already, but will @POTUS accept the findings of his own intelligence, regardless of what foreign leaders tell him? https://t.co/ITZm7CzupF via @bpolitics
— Shibley Telhami (@ShibleyTelhami) October 10, 2018

White House says Bolton, Kushner and Pompeo have all talked to Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman about the disappearance of @jamalkhashoggi No word on what MBS told them. pic.twitter.com/KNvDZ9AnrU
— Julian Borger (@julianborger) October 10, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 1:53pm

But no one has been in touch with NATO ally Turkey, where the crime took place? https://t.co/Ngrm48xIvN
— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) October 10, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:21pm

It's not about whether Trump will accept the findings of his intelligence agencies. He doesn't care that MSB ordered the murder of the reporter. How does it affect the US when foreign countries kill their own citizens? Just as he doesn't care that Duterte has killed more than 10 thousand in his drug war. If fact he thinks it's great that Duterte is so tough. Off the record Trump probably thinks it's great that MSB was tough enough to kill Khashoggi.

by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:50am

Corker etc just triggered a Magnistky Act investigation into the Khashoggi disappearance
— Steven Dennis (@StevenTDennis) October 10, 2018

Reporter: Have you spoken to the Saudis about Khashoggi?

Trump: “I’d rather not say. But the answer is yes." pic.twitter.com/msXVpvEXr2
— Robert Maguire (@RobertMaguire_) October 10, 2018

Via pool, as Trump lands in PA: "Asked if his words about 'enemy of the people' may have contributed to the Khashoggi situation, Trump did not answer."
— Maggie Haberman (@maggieNYT) October 10, 2018

Scoop: Netanyahu tells Greece, Cyprus that Trump will keep heat on Turkey - my story on @news10 and @axios https://t.co/jH8Gew6SpG
— Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) October 10, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 6:39pm

A couple SCOOPlets in this story: MBS demanded the call w/ Jared; and there were frustrations last among among Saudi watchers at a dinner w/a WH official. https://t.co/mDCatSYJDy
— Nahal Toosi (@nahaltoosi) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:42pm

WaPo: "BREAKING NEWS": Saudi crown prince ordered operation to lure, detain Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi, U.S. intelligence shows

The intelligence pointing to an operation to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.

By Shane Harris
39 minutes ago

by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:53pm

Op-Ed by Senator Rand Paul @ TheAtlantic.com: Stop Military Aid to Saudi Arabia

The regime must be held accountable for Jamal Khashoggi.

OCT 10, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:29am

I agree with Rand Paul on this.

by moat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 7:55pm

Ditto.

by barefooted on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:40pm

Especially because the royal family had already been given plenty of mulligans for 9/11 related matters and other events following. It was presumed after that that they would share with our intel the truth about whatever was going on. As opposed to trying to hide things by killing someone who was once basically an insider but was now working for the western media. They are trying to hide things and no doubt fucking up at it, too. Should actually have been done with the 2017 purge, doubt we know what was really going on with that.

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:58pm

Can you imagine anything Rand Paul supports or believes being true or actually being acted upon?

Rand Paul imagining in 2014:

Rand Paul: ‘Can You Imagine If a Whole Ship Full of Our Soldiers Catch Ebola?’

by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:05pm

Point taken. It hurt to write those words.

by moat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 7:18am

Poor Rand Paul. Lennon imagines a bunch of stuff that would never happen in our wildest dreams and he's a hero for it.

by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 11:42am

Rand Paul imagined drones and liquor store robbers.

— I have never argued against any technology being used against having an imminent threat an act of crime going on,” Paul said.“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him, but it’s different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities.”

Then he ran away from it..

by NCD on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 1:03am

US senators trigger human rights probe over missing Saudi journalist ...

Reuters-6 hours ago

Twenty-two U.S. senators on Wednesday forced a U.S. investigation of whether human rights sanctions should be imposed over the disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist last seen as he entered the Saudi consulate in Turkey on Oct. 2.

In a letter, the senators said they had triggered a provision of the Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act requiring the president to determine whether a foreign person is responsible for a gross human rights violation.

“Our expectation is that in making your determination you will consider any relevant information, including with respect to the highest ranking officials in the Government of Saudi Arabia,” they said [....]

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:35am

President Trump said he wants to move forward with a major arms deals with Saudi Arabia, but senators from both parties are warning that Congress may block these accords from going forward in light of the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi.https://t.co/6ypisChwso
— Kaitlan Collins (@kaitlancollins) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:31pm

Don't know if it was posted here, but anonymous Turkish intelligence officials said they apparently have recordings of conversations in the Saudi embassy (it is bugged), with K speaking, and of his beating, torture and murder.

A temporary arms sale suspension is possible, although unlikely to last long, GOPers talk big, but then fall in line.

by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:04pm

Both democrats and republicans suck up to SA because it can and will change it's oil production to moderate the effects when oil producing enemies in the ME try to punish the US by cutting back on OPEC oil production and raising prices

by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:45pm

$$$$.

"We hold these truths to be self evident, that government of the dollar, by the dollar, and for the dollar, shall not perish from this Earth."

by NCD on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 12:31am

Yes it's $$$ BUT :As Axios' Dan Primack previewed on Monday, many of the world's largest prospective financial deals involve Saudi Arabia and are predicated on trust in MBS as a reformer.

Same thing from The Economist elsewhere on thread. Can't trust a "rogue" in a big business deal...investors are warned off by the capricious way he takes decisions....

Actually, so far the story is highly suggestive that Khashoggi was dangerous to them precisely because they feared he was going to ruin the illusion of trustworthy reformer and he had the inside knowledge to do that convincingly. And they got caught and now it causing exactly what they were trying to avoid. They have been clueless like this in the past, it's literally the king problem, happens because no one challenges their thinking, all yes men.

The purge of 2017 was supposedly all about corruption and reform and those like Friedman bought the narrative, but it also seemed all extremely strange to me. Some of it even seemed fake, just for show.

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:28am

The end of the Saudi Whisperer; Tom Friedman bet big on Mohammed bin Salman and lost. What can we learn from that?

By Daniel W. Drezner @ WashingtonPost.com, Oct. 9

Praying for Jamal Khashoggi; Saudi Arabia stands accused of killing him. If it did, it will be a disaster for the regime of Mohammed bin Salman.

By Thomas L. Friedman @ NYTimes.com, Oct. 8

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:45am

Bob Corker on Saudis: “I think they did it and unfortunately I think he is deceased. But they certainly could produce him and change the narrative.” https://t.co/Z5PuYbq6US
— Manu Raju (@mkraju) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:48am

hitting where it's going to make them care:

I’m terribly distressed by the disappearance of journalist Jamal Khashoggi and reports of his murder. I will no longer be participating in the Future Investment Initiative in Riyadh.
— Andrew Ross Sorkin (@andrewrsorkin) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:12pm

and The Economist sez:

If Jamal Khashoggi has been killed, it will strengthen the sense that Muhammad bin Salman is a rogue rather than a reformer https://t.co/UKE5Oapsd4
— The Economist (@TheEconomist) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:15pm

Sir Richard Branson suspends Saudi business talks over Khashoggi affair

By Ed Pilkington @ TheGuardian.com, Oct. 11

Sir Richard Branson has suspended talks with the Saudi government over investment in his space tourism venture Virgin Galactic and has put on hold directorship of two massive tourism projects planned by Saudi Arabia along the Red Sea amid the deepening crisis over the disappearance and alleged murder of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi.

In a statement to the Guardian, Branson said that he had had “high hopes for the current government in the kingdom and its leader Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman”. But reports of the regime’s involvement in the disappearance of the Washington Post columnist “if proved true, would clearly change the ability of any of us in the West to do business with the Saudi government” [....]

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:43am

Imagine it may change Elon/Tesla's funding options as well. $40 million seems cheap now for closing down that relationship (even though Saudis still own a good chunk, but at least not a near majority)

by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 4:13am

“You can hear his voice and the voices of men speaking Arabic,” this person said. “You can hear how he was interrogated, tortured and then murdered.” Turks tell U.S. officials they have audio and video recordings of #Khashoggi's killing: https://t.co/LEfDXlJaXl #JusticeForJamal
— Karen Attiah (@KarenAttiah) October 12, 2018

One of the strangest things I’ve seen in 2018, and that’s obviously saying something https://t.co/CAUbeowpFC
— Jonathan Schanzer (@JSchanzer) October 12, 2018

On the day Khashoggi vanished, a Saudi forensics expert flew into Istanbul. “Maybe the forensics expert was an add-on, after the fact, when they realized they were going to have a crime scene to clean up.” From @byaaroncdavis and @erinmcunningham https://t.co/M9yDEFQhQ5
— Alan Sipress (@AlanSipress) October 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:16pm

.@LindseyGrahamSC blasts Saudi Crown Prince MBS: “If he was responsible in any way for orchestrating this...then this becomes a completely different situation that shows complete contempt..by the Saudis, against us...This is about universal values.”
— Jim Sciutto (@jimsciutto) October 11, 2018

Harbour Group , lobbying & PR Firm, says it ended contract with #Saudi Embassy in Washington. WSJ: https://t.co/TNRGSbzbV4 pic.twitter.com/UUIJVAkY2A
— Joyce Karam (@Joyce_Karam) October 11, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:32pm

thread https://t.co/qQbTxnAIom
— Laura Rozen (@lrozen) October 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:24pm

Senators in both parties are gearing up to force a vote on scrapping U.S. arms sales to Saudi Arabia amid mounting frustration over Jamal Khashoggi. https://t.co/9WDw0hy99f
— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) October 12, 2018

Indiana Republican https://t.co/qxM9u9AdN1
— David Shepardson (@davidshepardson) October 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:00pm

We really need to know who is paying Trump and his family. https://t.co/YcsiWQOFQm
— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) October 12, 2018

I think it's important to remember this is probably less laziness than design. That's the money relationship, the family relationship. They don't want a diplomat managing the relationship. https://t.co/SirbgBqKgL
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) October 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:07pm

House Committee on Foreign Affairs on board with Senate and it's bi-partisan; press release of their letter:

Royce, Engel Press for Swift Action Following Disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:42pm

Politico describes Senators as being at a "boiling point":

New: Khashoggi’s disappearance and alleged murder has senators in both parties at a boiling point with the Saudis — piling new pressure on the Trump administration to do more. https://t.co/X6TxK8Hu2f @burgessev
— Elana Schor (@eschor) October 12, 2018

by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:45pm

How Saudi News Media Is Spinning Khashoggi’s Disappearance https://t.co/syLS4Nm7bb
— The New York Times (@nytimes) October 13, 2018

by artappraiser on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 12:16am

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