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Turkish Officials Say Khashoggi Was Killed on Order of Saudi Leadership
By artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:11pm |
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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/world/europe/jamal-khashoggi-turkey-saudi-arabia.html
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by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:15pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/09/2018 - 8:26pm
great short thread on Twitter, an interchange between Philip Gourevitch, Laura Rosen, and Hussein Ibish trying to communally analyze the geopolitics going on with this.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:14pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 12:20pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 1:53pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 2:21pm
It's not about whether Trump will accept the findings of his intelligence agencies. He doesn't care that MSB ordered the murder of the reporter. How does it affect the US when foreign countries kill their own citizens? Just as he doesn't care that Duterte has killed more than 10 thousand in his drug war. If fact he thinks it's great that Duterte is so tough. Off the record Trump probably thinks it's great that MSB was tough enough to kill Khashoggi.
by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:50am
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 6:39pm
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:42pm
WaPo: "BREAKING NEWS": Saudi crown prince ordered operation to lure, detain Post contributor Jamal Khashoggi, U.S. intelligence shows
The intelligence pointing to an operation to detain Khashoggi in Saudi Arabia has fueled speculation by officials and analysts in multiple countries that what transpired at the Saudi consulate in Istanbul was a backup plan to capture Khashoggi that may have gone wrong.
by artappraiser on Wed, 10/10/2018 - 8:53pm
Op-Ed by Senator Rand Paul @ TheAtlantic.com: Stop Military Aid to Saudi Arabia
The regime must be held accountable for Jamal Khashoggi.
OCT 10, 2018
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:29am
I agree with Rand Paul on this.
by moat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 7:55pm
Ditto.
by barefooted on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:40pm
Especially because the royal family had already been given plenty of mulligans for 9/11 related matters and other events following. It was presumed after that that they would share with our intel the truth about whatever was going on. As opposed to trying to hide things by killing someone who was once basically an insider but was now working for the western media. They are trying to hide things and no doubt fucking up at it, too. Should actually have been done with the 2017 purge, doubt we know what was really going on with that.
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:58pm
Can you imagine anything Rand Paul supports or believes being true or actually being acted upon?
Rand Paul imagining in 2014:
Rand Paul: ‘Can You Imagine If a Whole Ship Full of Our Soldiers Catch Ebola?’
by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:05pm
Point taken. It hurt to write those words.
by moat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 7:18am
Poor Rand Paul. Lennon imagines a bunch of stuff that would never happen in our wildest dreams and he's a hero for it.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 11:42am
Rand Paul imagined drones and liquor store robbers.
— I have never argued against any technology being used against having an imminent threat an act of crime going on,” Paul said.“If someone comes out of a liquor store with a weapon and $50 in cash, I don’t care if a Drone kills him or a policeman kills him, but it’s different if they want to come fly over your hot tub, or your yard just because they want to do surveillance on everyone, and they want to watch your activities.”
Then he ran away from it..
by NCD on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 1:03am
US senators trigger human rights probe over missing Saudi journalist ...
Reuters-6 hours ago
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:35am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:31pm
Don't know if it was posted here, but anonymous Turkish intelligence officials said they apparently have recordings of conversations in the Saudi embassy (it is bugged), with K speaking, and of his beating, torture and murder.
A temporary arms sale suspension is possible, although unlikely to last long, GOPers talk big, but then fall in line.
by NCD on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:04pm
Both democrats and republicans suck up to SA because it can and will change it's oil production to moderate the effects when oil producing enemies in the ME try to punish the US by cutting back on OPEC oil production and raising prices
by ocean-kat on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 11:45pm
$$$$.
"We hold these truths to be self evident, that government of the dollar, by the dollar, and for the dollar, shall not perish from this Earth."
by NCD on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 12:31am
Yes it's $$$ BUT :As Axios' Dan Primack previewed on Monday, many of the world's largest prospective financial deals involve Saudi Arabia and are predicated on trust in MBS as a reformer.
Same thing from The Economist elsewhere on thread. Can't trust a "rogue" in a big business deal...investors are warned off by the capricious way he takes decisions....
Actually, so far the story is highly suggestive that Khashoggi was dangerous to them precisely because they feared he was going to ruin the illusion of trustworthy reformer and he had the inside knowledge to do that convincingly. And they got caught and now it causing exactly what they were trying to avoid. They have been clueless like this in the past, it's literally the king problem, happens because no one challenges their thinking, all yes men.
The purge of 2017 was supposedly all about corruption and reform and those like Friedman bought the narrative, but it also seemed all extremely strange to me. Some of it even seemed fake, just for show.
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:28am
The end of the Saudi Whisperer; Tom Friedman bet big on Mohammed bin Salman and lost. What can we learn from that?
By Daniel W. Drezner @ WashingtonPost.com, Oct. 9
Praying for Jamal Khashoggi; Saudi Arabia stands accused of killing him. If it did, it will be a disaster for the regime of Mohammed bin Salman.
By Thomas L. Friedman @ NYTimes.com, Oct. 8
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:45am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:48am
hitting where it's going to make them care:
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:12pm
and The Economist sez:
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 1:15pm
Sir Richard Branson suspends Saudi business talks over Khashoggi affair
By Ed Pilkington @ TheGuardian.com, Oct. 11
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 2:43am
Imagine it may change Elon/Tesla's funding options as well. $40 million seems cheap now for closing down that relationship (even though Saudis still own a good chunk, but at least not a near majority)
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 4:13am
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:16pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 9:32pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 10/11/2018 - 10:24pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:00pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 1:07pm
House Committee on Foreign Affairs on board with Senate and it's bi-partisan; press release of their letter:
Royce, Engel Press for Swift Action Following Disappearance of Jamal Khashoggi
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:42pm
Politico describes Senators as being at a "boiling point":
by artappraiser on Fri, 10/12/2018 - 5:45pm
by artappraiser on Sun, 10/14/2018 - 12:16am