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Among the many indicators of misdirection in the Trump administration’s policy toward Iran, one of the clearest is the fondness for the cult-cum-terrorist group known as the Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK).
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A bit light on naming lobbysista like Gingrich, Giuliani, Rohrbacher, etc... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/iran-mek-group-removed-us-...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 11/13/2018 - 1:54pm
If a comprehensive list of those politicians who supported de-listing MEK is worth compiling, and I think it is, then that list would necessarily include the Secretary of State who actually did the de-listing
by A Guy Called LULU on Wed, 11/14/2018 - 11:16pm
Ah, so you want Hillary named, eh? Why not Obama too? Did she have free reign under him?
Here's a better listing.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/21/iran-mek-group-removed-us-...
Recent followup:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/nov/09/mek-iran-revolution-regime-...
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 11/15/2018 - 1:10am
You make a point I agree with. I doubt that Clinton delisted MEK without clearing the decision with Obama, but I would also bet that she could have prevented that action if that is what she had wished to do. The decision was made by her in her name as Secretary of State. If it was a bad decision, as I believe it was, and was the result of money corrupted politics creating the right climate, then Clinton's role certainly needs mention whether she made her decision for reasons good or bad or merely a part of the game. Maybe those who raked in money and perks to rally for MEK really believed that MEK had changed its heart and soul and tactics and purpose and they were able to convinced Hillary and her boss Obama that MEK had done so and that they now deserved being considered acceptable as a legitimate organization no longer using terrorist tactics.
Pillar’s synopsis was of one of the very articles that you linked to above and which he also praised and linked to in his piece. I read it before posting my link In the News. Glad to know that you think it was worth looking at to know more of the overall situation in which Hillary chose to delist MEK.
by A Guy Called LULU on Thu, 11/15/2018 - 10:42pm
All decisions made during Obama's presidency are ultimately Obama's responsibility. We simply don't know what discussions happened behind the scenes and what Hillary advised in reference to MEK. I doubt that anyone believes that MEK has become a force for democracy in the region. At most they believe they can be used to destabilize other factions that are even worse. But here's an unfortunate reality in the region. America doesn't want democracy in the region. I don't want it. Democracy will likely result in the people voting in fundamentalist theocrats to rule in most countries.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 12:21am
Hillary's also not going to fight off a high dollar lobbying effort that has a ton of congressional support linked to other important legislation I'm sure. If your takeaway is that she's the sole demon despite the rest of our system, well, that's bizarre. Again I remind people that Hillary wasn't even allowed to choose Bill Holbrooke, a well-respected diplomat, as her Deputy. But have your morning cup o' Hillary Hate, will do you good.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 1:52am
So Hillary left State nearly 6 years ago. Meanwhile Bibi and AIPAC run wild pursuing more and more sanctions against Iran and blowing up Obama's nuke deal. Now MEK fan MEK fan/Iraq neocon wingnut par excellence Jolton is National Security Advisor, we've discovered how influential and in-bed-with-Russians lobbyist megastar NRA is, how pharma lobbyists can water down Obamacare, how energy lobbyists can kill our Kyoto participation and open US waters for more drilling, how banking lobbysists got bonuses and mortgage theft through during a financial meltdown, and Lulu wants to hold up class and go back to "What about Hillary?" I mean, are you part of the "lock her up" crowd? What would make you happy, a John-the-Baptist style head on a platter? Why exactly are you so obsessed?
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 3:36am
There is nothing in the links which I supplied which put the blame on Hillary and in my personal comments I allowed that she may be blameless. Do you think that she had no influential input at all? I doubt that is the case.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 10:39am
"There is nothing in the links which I supplied which put the blame on Hillary" - beg to differ. There's a bunch of innuendo there:
- " I would also bet that she could have prevented that action if that is what she had wished to do "
- " If it was a bad decision, as I believe it was, and was the result of money corrupted politics creating the right climate, then Clinton's role certainly needs mention "
This article took me 20 secs to Google: - anti-MEK, but explaining/accepting Clinton's decision. I'm sure there are others that shine more light on it, if you actually care.
But that's ok, people still can't find her speech to Congress in 2002, or the long Atlantic or WaPo article interviewing her about the coalition against Qaddafi. Same shit, different day.
" Glad to know that you think it was worth looking at to know more of the overall situation " - no, I think this was a waste of time as usual. Rehashing these historical boogeymen usually is.
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 11:19am
"This article took me twenty seconds to google".
It would take about the same time to find the opposite opinion about delisting MEK. You already linked to two. Some or most of the people mentioned in the various links which have proven elements of their history which I believe should be considered next time they run for office will in fact run next time. I do not demonize or hate Hillary to any extent beyond the way you deify her.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 11/16/2018 - 3:45pm
Giuliani hasn't really stopped all his foreign travel and intrique since he announced he was joining Trump's legal team in April.
Here he is doing another one of his frequent MEK gigs in June.
and
Here is an early Nov. piece reporting he's been taking "mystery trips" to Russia, Ukraine and Armenia.
Edit to add: google news shows why we haven't heard of any of the usual TV antics from him lately: he's been in divorce court and it's rather messy.
by artappraiser on Tue, 11/13/2018 - 5:16pm