"They screwed us and now they want us to kiss them."

I think you meant "raped".

Otherwise, spot-on.

Ooooh, fighting words. You're such a tough little progressive, aren't you?

I am not a liberal. Never was. Never claimed to be. But then, neither are you - despite all your fronting. At least I still support today what I said I believed in last year. You don't. Making you a pathetic ass-licking hypocritical shill for corporate interests who will sell your country down...

Yes, that must be it. Myself and the majority of the Commonwealth have lost our minds. It certainly can't be the notion that you're a far left, progressive wing nut. Deal with it suckhole, your kind has just been dealt a death blow by free thinking Massachusetts voters!

That sounds a lot like W.

When did Bush finally admit it? When he went and cowered behind all the skirts around him, hiding from Dick and the Neocons?

No thanks. I feel quite healthy. But I think you should double up on your anti-psychotic meds. You have completely lost touch with reality.

And quinn, heal thyself.

"The MA vote was a repudiation of the liberal and progressive movement - from the most liberal state in the country!"

No, I think you must have invented the whole baseball bat migraine treatment. Then tested it on Libertine, qwerty, oleeb, and yourself. Repeatedly and without regard for...

If you can't stop just wandering the site attacking people Rip, then take the day off. It's not as bad as you think.

That is a mischaracterization of the progressive position on the issue. The PO is a functional safety mechanism that represents minimal diligence in light of mandates. If mandates were taken off the table, the Public Option could also come off.

The interesting thing to me is that when...

I couldn't disagree more with Lind's dishonest assessment, and his revisionist history absolving Wall Street of the Bush Era is disgusting. Oh! The money people were appalled by this "neo-Confederate" totem in the White House, were they? Hogwash. Under Bush II, Reagan/Clinton deregulation became...

You seem a bit perturbed at the crass way it was articulated by those on the ground in MA, but aren't they basically saying the same thing as Libertine? That they rejected giving the democrats a 60th vote because they saw HCR as benefiting others at their own expense?

Ahhh, Wendy; thanks, but I was thankful, actually, when it disappeared. Because on re-reading it, this morning, the degree of wine and/or ego-fueled pride seemed egregious.
Let this be another lesson to me.
Still -- as a leftover, what's actually-in-the-larder exercise, it is a good...

It's obvious that you speak from experience with regard to that type of treatment...

Is it possible the Wall Street crowd figured it out?

This Obama phenomenon, this Obama train, was leaving the station, either you get on board or you'd be left behind.

Problem is; Obama forgot Wall Street only came on board AFTER the grassroots had brought Obama the early...

Your statement reminds me of someone treating their headache with a baseball bat. Illogical and counterintuitive.

Can my fellow Democrats explain to me, an African-American Democrat, how voting in a Republican sends a message that you want bolder health care legislation? It seems that MA voted against it's best interest. Do you have a racial breakdown on this issue. African-Americans have loads of problems...

What is the "massive transfer of wealth" you talk about going to look like? I assume you mean giving people the ability to buy health insurance is a transfer of wealth to insurance companies. But in return don't those companies have to provide a service, and isn't the value of that service that...

Anyone who agrees with this article is delusional. The MA vote was a repudiation of the liberal and progressive movement - from the most liberal state in the country!

geez.

Obama showed early by his appointments where he was headed.

That's why I became an early critic.

If there is any tragedy it is a real Progressive agenda that the country would have embraced and assured the dems power for a generation is now lost and I don't see how...

Additionally, Obama did not take PAC funds. All the money he raised from whomever came from individual donations. They may have bundled it but is was individual with the limit of $2500 per person

Any time someones tells me what someone's state of mind is I tend to disregard what they...

Maybe some good will come out of the MA debacle. But I'm pretty sure health care reform is dead.

"Democrats just won an election as liberals with a message."

Yes. And that message was, "We're not George Bush."

Thanks for update. Kudos!

Aunt Sam, they're starting to *talk* about the possibility of including the public option/Medicare buy-in for the Senate Bill, and Obama is going to announce a kind of Glass-Steagall II in consultation with Paul Volcker, who was sidelined by Summers and Geithner before...:)...

This diary disappeared last night; glad it's resurrected. Hope your neighbor got home...

oleeb, I can't shake the feeling that Mass. took a bullet to send a clear and unambiguous message, to shake things up, tectonically, that they would feel the quake all the way to Washington.

I don't think I would call LBJ a tragedy. LBJ had some guts. Right or wrong he stood up for what he believed in which is a lot more than I can say about these centrist dems.

The only thing I can remember from my HS Senior Math class was said by the teacher just before he resigned after...

It's important to bear in mind many Independents are independent because we know damn well both parties are fully corrupt. The only thing they understand or care about is power. We aren't any more afraid of republicans than we are democrats. If the DLC wants to play chicken, I'm quite certain...

Well, sure, if they don't care about their southern neighbors.

Where does (3) leave our Canadian misfits? Can they just pick a couple of the fence-sitters, figure out what towns they represent and pick one of those?

But on the other hand, cloture votes are completely self-evident. Bozos.

(But great point, Wolfie.)

If you look at definition #2, you see what they're really getting at. Here's another way of stating definition #2: "Won't fit into a 15-second sound-bite or uses words too large for our target audience to understand."

Self-serving and disloyal as he is, Bayh is probably impossible to dislodge. But surely Democrats can come up with candidates at least as electable as Blanche Lincoln and Harry Reid. I'd primary Dodd too if he hadn't taken himself out of the race.
And Beau Biden shouldn't get a free pass...

Again stilli, I, and my fellow progressives, weren't the ones sending the message in Massachusetts. It was an organic movement by and from the people. It sprouted on its own from the anger of the middle class of being put last in line yet again. The poor would get health care, and imho...

All you need to know about Michale Lind is that he is too lazy or incompetent to know:
(1) that Obama raised so much more money than his rivals that the sentence "He raised more money from the ______ industry than McCain and his other rivals" is true, no matter you fill in the blank with...

Stilli...

You don't get it do you? Coakley would have had no effect on HCR. It was decided. HCR was passed with no public option and no single-payer. That is not what the people wanted and no matter whether Coakley got in or not that is what we were gonna get. It was a done deal....

To answer your question:

They are quite stupid. They cut their nose off to spite their faces. You are exactly correct in your feelings on the matter. It's foolishness. They remind me of this Anarchist I know that thinks destroying something without attaching her name or cause to it...

Quinn, is it possible that they got the wrong message, 'cuz I thought it was clear as mud. If you want them to get the message that you want a more liberal agenda, wouldn't it make sense to show that by electing a liberal candidate? Instead, they elect a conservative, and that is supposed to...

The anti-war crowd was only fulling themselves if they even bothered to listen to any of Obama's foreign policy speeches.

So 59-41= mathematically impossible. That news didn't cheer me up.

But the worst thing to me was seeing the BACKERS of this health care reform TURN AND RUN. I mean, I can understand people who didn't like it turning and running. But the real backers? I'm not sure there's ONE i saw today...

I don't know that tragedy is the word. I mean I think a guy has to really stand for something and to have accomplished something before he becomes a tragic figure in failing himself and others. LBJ was a tragedy.

I try not to pile on Obama, because he's really just a symptom of the...

Carolina rice - you betcha. Or plain as a stew.
As to the wine, this is a strictly BYO crowd, by mutual agreement. (No one could afford the refills for a few of them.)
BTW, Wendy, my neighbor left me a message while I was out today, to let me know that he had accepted a package for...

Kill 'em all. Let Dad decide.

Instead of Chicken can the Leadership of the Democratic Party substitute Crow?

Thank you, brewmn. That actually means a lot coming from you. I normally don't have to reply to posts because you've already said what I wanted to say.

I am old and just started reading Mr. Parkers books.  It started when I saw Tom Selick playing Jessie Stone in a TV mini series.  It was a re-run but I had not seen it before.  I liked the story and started reading his books about Jessie Stone.  I have two more books to read in that...

I strongly suspect that Christ is lying about his age. I have this birth certificate right here (from the Middle East, no less) that says he's into his third millenium. I thought the military didn't allow new recruits older than 41…

You may think that you have one this one DavidZHawk, but I am more powerful in alleged defeat than you can ever imagine.

In fact, I had planned to give more but didn't want to ask for more than the blog. So I figured that I would start with $5. But faced with overwhelming criticism from...

I see I guilted you into action. All hail Jewish guilt!