MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
The NYT's Roger Cohen puts yesterday's Turkish chaos in sharp perspective: the failure of the military coup attempt doesn't translate into a victory for democracy, not at all. Erdogan has the excuse he needed to purge all his perceived rivals, neuter the army, and crack down even more on even mild dissent. The country is in for a very rough stretch.
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The 'coup' dead were not even cold and Erdogran already had the list of 2745 judges to arrest as accomplices. I go with the widely speculated premise it was staged as a ploy to round up and eliminate his political opposition.
by NCD on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 12:38am
I'm suspicious as well. And this faction wasnt one that stood a real chance of success. Why so sucidal? Or just policitcally expedient for Erdogan to be a martyr defending the honor of the state?
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 8:00am
Incerlik on internal power.
Erdogran himself demands Gulen. 'bilateral US-Turkey relationship at stake'
Kerry:no evidence from Turkey (psychotic megalomaniacs don't need no badges or evidence!!) Gulen involved in coup .
Turkish minister implies US involved in coup. Fox news link
CBS: Bozdag said "the United States would weaken itself by protecting him, it would harm its reputation. I don't think that at this hour, the United States would protect someone who carried out this act against Turkey." In a televised speech, Erdogan called on the United States to extradite Gulen.
by NCD on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 12:00pm
Erdogan risks dropping much of any good will Turkey had remainisg. After Syrian refugees coming through Turkey to the EU and concerns about Turkey during Brexit not to mention Russian sanctions after they shot down a Russian plane and noting he was more interested in fighting Kurds than ISIS, consider Turkey's Eau ambitions gone along with a generation of western leaning citizens. Awful development.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 11:10am
We can all be suspicious but so far the only "evidence" I've seen boils down to three points.
Erdogan is the type of leader that would stage a coup to increase his power.
The coup was badly executed and easily thwarted.
Erdogan had a list of enemies ready to use.
All those points are true but it's pretty weak evidence to support the "Reichstag fire" accusation.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 1:35pm
Yeah. Erdo gives all the appearance of being too paranoid and insecure to ok such a wild scheme. If other actors in Turkey are as egotistical and as much schemers and fools as Erdogran it would explain the coup fiasco.
Erdo is the kind of leader who lurches from crisis to crisis.
At some point somebody smarter than him will tell him Turkey needs American tourists more than the guy in the Poconos, or all those now ecstatic crowds in the streets will be just as eager to support your removal from office.
by NCD on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 3:07pm
Here's an interesting view of the situation from a UK journalist with a Turkish mother and British father who is living in Istanbul.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 07/17/2016 - 3:37pm
For his credentials, it seems light. It hardly looked like a fully thought out coup from a wizened disgruntled military. We've seen failed coups with Chavez and Gorbachev, but here they didnt even try to hold Erdogan. Even the supposed leader is asking WTF was that...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 07/19/2016 - 4:25am
One of the puzzling things about the coup attempt was the question of why the plotters didn't grab Erdogan as the first rattle out of the box. Not doing so suggested either very poor planning or possibly a devious plot. If Erdogan had not been loose to call his supporters into the streets it all would have likely gone differently. This essay continues the speculation based on some new reports.
by A Guy Called LULU on Fri, 07/22/2016 - 9:51am
So far, based on what I have seen, the idea that Erdogan was saved by a timely warning from Russia makes sense. It explains how coup's story is one of a failed plot rather than the story of an idiot plot. Whether the U.S. did have the same information and made a calculated choice to not notify Erdogan is interesting speculation. More interesting writing on the subject is here.
There has been a lot happening in the world besides the convention.
by A Guy Called LULU on Sat, 07/23/2016 - 1:59pm
NYT op-ed contributor argues that the attempted coup was a Gulen plot: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opinion/who-was-behind-the-coup-attemp...
by Michael Wolraich on Fri, 07/22/2016 - 12:39pm
Akyol's source for much of his insight appears to be his one "disillusioned Gulenist friend." As for actual evidence that Gulen or his movement directed the coup attempt, he offers none. Erdogan hasn't offered any either. But Akyol seems to think the U.S. should "compromise" and extradite the cleric back to Turkey for a fair trial. Not much here, I think.
by acanuck on Fri, 07/22/2016 - 5:38pm
Let me add that Akyol (who has commented on Erdogan's authoritarianism in the past) is Istanbul-based. Under the state of emergency, we are not going to see a lot of honest criticism coming out of Turkey.
by acanuck on Sat, 07/23/2016 - 2:56pm