MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE by Michael Wolraich Order today at Barnes & Noble / Amazon / Books-A-Million / Bookshop |
analysis by Shane Goldmacher @ NYTimes, Jan. 11
Comments
Interesting newbie GOP Rep, Justin Amash's successor:
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 8:11am
Every Republican needs to stand up and say that Joe Biden won the election and will the legitimate President of the United States. If they do not make this, or a similar statement, they are complicit.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 8:44am
If they don't there's ample evidence now that they will find themselves very short of funds with which to campaign.
But I really do doubt they give a damn about outrage fests about being complicit from Dem and liberal voters on the internet.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 9:39am
and I'd truly be willing to bet that Joe Biden himself would forgive and forget if they vote for his big infrastructure bill in like June when it's looking like a squeaker.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 9:46am
A Capitol police officer was killed. They shouted, "Hang Mike Pence". This followed incendiary statements from Trump. If the lose funding, it says all we need to know about the Republican Party.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 10:53am
What more did we need to know about the Republican Party for the last 15-25 years? And what exactly does "they lose funding" mean in this context? People find their balls and principles for about 15 mins, and then they forget & it's back to square one. Koch doesn't even remembered he funded this madness for 10 yrs or so.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 1:08pm
If the funding is restored it tells us all we need to know about the donors
The donors can face public shame
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 1:44pm
You act as if voters care about shame, are consistent, value morals and ethical behavior. Give it a month, few will care.
Did you know over 4000 died of Covid three days in a row this week? That we hit 308,000 infections in one day? Old news need something new...
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 2:48pm
I have no delusions about voters.
Trump was elected.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 2:58pm
OIC, a riot is no longer the language of the unheard that must be listened to with tolerance and understanding and forgiveness. You're angry now that some people are not obeying the law. And not only that, police officers are people that should be respected.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 1:20pm
This is not about BLM
The DC rioters wanted to throw out an election
OGD had a post about a police officer who helped a struggling woman
I praised the officer.
I want police reform to remove abusive police officers
Can we now get back to the subject at hand?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 1:42pm
Actually, the specific subject is Fractured by Trump, the G.O.P. Can’t Agree on a Way Back to Power
You expanded it to express that a notion that they need to stand up and declare acceptance or they are complicit (with?), as if you are threatening them, as if they care about your vote that they were never going to get in the first place.
If you are going to expand it to that topic, I think that topic is the rule of law. The rule of law in this country was often challenged by many riots and illegal activity, including agitation against the Federal government and local governments, all summer.
Edit to add: The solution is rule of law. And encouraging the "police", that is the authorities, to enforce it, instead of discouraging them from doing so.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 2:21pm
what is very equivalent: feeling entitled to pull down a statue without asking for majority consensus of the community simply because you and your tribe don't like the ideology of the statue Well, they don't like Biden, they want Trump, they feel entitled, so they not going to give a shit about obeying any damn rule of law or legal or electoral process , they are just going to do what they damn well please. You are either for the rule of law and democracy or you're for whatever you and your tribe thinks best at the moment.
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 2:32pm
Where is the threat?
I gave an opinion
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 3:05pm
"This is not about BLM"
Events don't happen in isolation from all other events and should be seen in a broader context. Like the twitter thread Arta linked the broader context is rule of Law or Mob rule. It has always seemed to me that you at least accept mob rule when you agree with the goal of the mob and want law to punish the mob when you disagree with it's goal. That's where Arta and I disagree with you. We all support police reform but Arta and I do not support mob violence to achieve it.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 2:43pm
I understand the anger and frustration of the crowds after George Floyd
I never said that those who broke the law should not be jailed
Police abuse is real
The rioters in DC want to overturn an election based on lies.
Some of the rioters were police officers which gets me back to understanding the frustration and anger of the George Floyd protests
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 3:04pm
Arta and Okat would fit right in with the Knights of White Camelia around 1871:
"Look! Black (and white) BLM terrorists were running through the streets we saw them, scary, scary!"
"Don't look at the thousands of angry armed whites, with gallows set up w/ nooses, baseball bats, hockey sticks, homemade bombs, bullet proof vests, mace guns, ropes and handcuff ties, invading the Capitol and threatening elected representatives and the media as they destroy property, injure and kill law enforcement officers!"
by NCD on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:11pm
It is interesting
There are ongoing threats aimed at multiple Capitol buildings
The inauguration is in jeopardy
.........but, but BLM
The Woke are a bigger threat than the white supremacists
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 3:36pm
(to NCD) Where's this coming from? Much of the "BLM" protests were spoiled destructive white kids trying to pick up the baton - where many blacks didn't want them. And meanwhile the police were distracted or put on the back of their feet, so murders and other crimes skyrocketed. And this is exactly what AA's called out throughout the year. So enough with the Aunt Jemima accusations.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 3:38pm
Corrected it above, added whites to BLM.
Arta recently
It is not "Republicans", it's not even "white supremacists".
response to RM : "fight Giuliani yourself in hand-to-hand combat. I'd advise bringing the Wakanda Militia, that would scare him."
by NCD on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:13pm
Causation vs correlation
Crime went down with Stop and Frisk in NYC
Crime went down in cities that did not use Stop and Frisk
Crime did not increase with Stop and Frisk was stopped in NYC
Multiple cities have recent spikes in crime
Balitmore did not have spike nin crime after George Floyd
While homicides increased other violent crimes have gone down
There are likely other factors causing homicides spike other than police presence
There is no consensus on why homicides are increasing
https://www.vox.com/2020/8/3/21334149/murders-crime-shootings-protests-riots-trump-biden
The Vox article includes a graph of Chicago
Note that the was a dip in homicides followed by a rapid increase this occurred before the protests
(See black bar)
Homicides were increasing before the protests
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:48pm
"Don't look at the thousands of angry armed whites"
You are either a rather disgusting and stupid liar or you are too ignorant to read and understand other people's posts. I have never once said don't look at the thousands of armed whites. I very clearly called for every one of them to be arrested and jailed. Your problem with me is that I want the BLM rioters who were violent and looted and burned buildings arrested too. I'm against violent mobs no matter what color, black or white.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:07pm
Thanks for that clarification. That was last year. It's over. Now we are dealing with a insurrection led by the President, who claims he won the presidential election in a landslide, an election in which you have said you wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden, as you hated Biden. Wondering if you now perceive a difference between the two.
by NCD on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:19pm
No clarification would be needed if your reading comprehension was higher than elementary school level and you didn't prefer lying about what people posted over rational dialog.
It's short term thinking that the mob violence today is totally unconnected to mob violence a couple of months ago. I try to look at long term trends, not to just react with emotion to single events.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:33pm
OK never said he couldn't see a difference between the two. He said he didn't like it that Biden was such a mainstream sellout, which considering his credit card & insurance background and total non-rock-the-boat, and the time he undercut Harry Reid in the shut-down-gov game of chicken, he has a point. And so he didn't like either choice, and preferred to sit it out. I chose to vote for Biden. Part of politics is persuading people to vote for you, and scare of the alternative to vote mediocre does get old, as is Republicans running the car into the ditch and Dems having to repair - lather, rinse, repeat.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 4:29pm
The fundamental problem for the GOP is to find a way to argue for equal treatment under the law while preserving a special cache of privileges. They are not unique in this regard.
The obverse is not as easily declared.
by moat on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 5:26pm
by artappraiser on Tue, 01/12/2021 - 11:54pm
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 1:54am
While the cult and performance star element does underscore why it is difficult for others to inherit Trump supporters, there are other aspects to consider.
The transgressive nature of his attacks during campaign rallies and primary debates gave a way to say "Fuck your Feelings" nobody else was providing. The fans didn't care if Cruz's dad killed JFK, they loved that the guy said it with complete conviction and without apology. He indulged in a rhetoric of threats and intimidation that a private citizen has to refrain from if interested in having a job or staying out of jail. For many, politics became a way to live unavailable by other means.
One quality that permitted this orgy of irresponsibility to happen is the zelig quality Trump employed to deliver it. From the Rallies where he said "In the old days, we didn't let this kind of protest happen" to the "Good people on both sides" after Charlottesville, he lets people think what they think it means. He slips away from any responsibility as an agent of change. If you like him, he won't hate you. With those rules of transaction established, everybody could have their own version of what Trump was about. McConnell and Qanon could shop at the same gift store without friction.
While others like Goetz, Jordan, Nunes, and Gohmert try to use the same tricks, they cannot pull off the mirror like surface Trump presents. It just comes off as the pander that left the crowd so bored before the fun arrived.
The party is over.
by moat on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 12:58pm
really helpful input to that convo which I posted only because I found it intriguing
kind of ironic that they are losers without their chief loser. (inspired enough to go look up Cruz' approval ratings but the main Texas U polls haven't published any since October)
throw in that Biden will be trying to reach out to all and sundry, so they will get the obstructionist label without the dear leader with the special charisma
GOP truly does have to figure "something else"
aside: I guess I am complicit with the fuck your feelings zeitgeist, too old not to be elitist, don't give a shit if anyone else likes our little group analysis
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 1:08pm
GOP lawmaker: Trump has no future in the Republican Party
BY JONATHAN EASLEY - @ TheHill.com, 01/13/21 04:40 PM EST
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 2:21am
GOP defends fuckery of 4 years, pretending it was only this last bit that tarnished Trump. They've been as lawless as possible, including stealing Obama's Supreme Court and cheering the nasty treatment of immigrant kids, giving trillions to the wealthy, and not upholding the laws passed for any Obama legislation.they can go fuck themselves with their new narrative. The economy did not "do well" - it had some indicators to spread some wealth around, but real jobs with real benefits have sucked, and the safety net has gotten worse.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 4:24am
Joe Scarborough tweeting a Peggy Noonan op-ed with a selected quote. (Keep in mind he served as the GOP rep. from FL-1 for four 4 terms, coming in with the Gingrich tide in 1994, thru 2002, was on major committees, and resigned for family reasons rather than disgust with the job):
by artappraiser on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 7:03pm
More stupid than you can shake a stick at, it seems
https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_60005829c5b63642b7026784
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 01/14/2021 - 7:24pm
analysis new polls of Republicans' (and general) approval of Hawley, Cruz and Pence:
from From bad to worse for Josh Hawley analysis by Aaron Blake @ WashingtonPost.com, Jan. 14
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 1:10am
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 1:28am
Senator Lankford who enjoys a reputation as a GOP friend to Black Oklahoma leaders:
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 2:13am
Attacks on media was terrorism
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 5:10am
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 3:36pm
Democrats are demanding an investigation to determine if Republicans in Congress provided aid and comfort to the insurrectionists.
You believe that these things cannot happen simultaneously?
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 4:31pm
who are you talking to? not me. again, I'm the main one posting news on that very exact thing on a specific thread for it. You happened to post some actual news and I copied it onto the thread where I thought it more appropriate. Just like I would if someone posted it on twitter. I credited your find but I thought it misplaced.
How about if you read what I post on this site before asking stupid leading questions to a straw man. And I mean with an open, comprehending mind, rather than hunting in people's words for some straw man thing you are looking for. You could, as an alternate, find other people to talk to instead who like to do dittoes of your favorite simplistic partisan memes and just leave me to post articles and share more complex analysis with others.
You should go back and argue with Jeff somemore, he's like your perfect partisan doppelganger, you can trade partisan talking points jabs.
edit to add link
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 7:28pm
I told you why I created a separate post
Therefore I did not pay full attention to your post
I am not going to waste time arguing with you
Some members of the Democratic Party do not trust some members of the Republican Party
That is amazing
Those Democrats are not saying that they have policy differences
They suspect that some Republicans plotted to harm them
Mikie Sherrill, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Jerrold Nadler, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, all mention suspicions
Ali Alexander said that he had Republican help.
I am not cherry-picking words
Read what Pelosi said
I do not see the above facts as leading to a normally functioning Congress
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 8:58pm
If you're not going to pay ttention to hers or argue with her, why are you over on her thread arguing with her?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 01/16/2021 - 1:11am
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 3:41pm
Imagine if Trump’s influence over the GOP faded away
Column by Paul Waldman @ WashingtonPost.com, Jan. 15
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 7:40pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 8:46pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 8:53pm
by artappraiser on Fri, 01/15/2021 - 9:31pm
a writer at Reason complains that in the AZ GOP the that the Trump-and-like-politician cultists have totally taken over, leaving libertarians nowhere to go:
by artappraiser on Sat, 01/16/2021 - 9:44pm
Ben Sasse vs. Rand Paul:
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/17/2021 - 9:32am
Both observations are true. Paul is one of the cowards Sasse is referring to.
by moat on Sun, 01/17/2021 - 11:44am
Ross Douhat: Could Mitch McConnell Get to Yes? Why the Republican leader should be tempted by the Senate’s opportunity to bar Trump from running for president again. Jan. 16 @ NYTimes.com
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/17/2021 - 5:54pm
meanwhile Senator Lindsey Graham hath penned a letter to The Honorable Charles Schumer (and advertised it on Twitter):
by artappraiser on Sun, 01/17/2021 - 7:09pm
Justin Amash gearing up to split off some voters, see tweets posted for several days around these two:
by artappraiser on Mon, 01/18/2021 - 2:20am