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It’s long been accepted that the slur shouldn’t be used by white people to refer to black people. What about referring to the word itself?
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There was an investigation and the professor was found innocent.
As McWhorter notes the use of the n-word is an age old debate. Mark Twain’s Huck Finn has been banned off and on.
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/789/adventures-of-huckleberry-finn
A version of the book expunged the n-word.
https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/jan/05/censoring-mark-twain-n-word-unacceptable
The early objections to Huck Finn occurred at the beginning of the modern Civil Rights era. It is interesting that a white student raised the voice of concern in the case of I Am Not Your Negro. These events do not happen in a vacuum. We have a white nationalist president who saw good people on both sides of the issue of bringing down a Confederate statue. We live in a society that tells blacks to get over slavery yet wants to keep statues honoring those who would enslave blacks. Perhaps the good sign here is that the white student’s concerns indicate that a younger generation does not dismiss racial concerns lightly.
There are indications that white Democrats are moving more to the left on racial issues than the typical black voter.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/22/18259865/great-awokening-white-liberals-race-polling-trump-2020
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 08/28/2019 - 9:11am
Yet again, throwing a bunch of pseudo-related shit doesn't make an argument. Who exactly is telling blacks to "get over slavery" vs numbers who feel slavery still resonates? What are the reasons why some people are trying to keep statues of certain historic figures? And who gives a fuck what terms Mark Twain used 150 years ago?
by PeraclesPlease on Wed, 08/28/2019 - 10:21pm
Why should we keep symbols of the white desire to enslave people in public places? After the end of violent racial conflict in South Africa, we had the Race and Conciliation meets. Germany came to grips with the Nazis and Anti-Semites in the 1960s. We had the Civil War, but we really haven’t discussed race. Heather Hyer died because current day Nazis want to preserve Confederate statues. The Bovernor of Alabama made it illegal to remove traitorous Confederate crap. The battle is today.
The terms of Mark Twain still resonate today. Baldwin is dead, but we still discuss him, Frederick Douglas, W.E.B. DuBois and Martin Luther King Jr.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 10:23pm
If I were Mr. McWhorter I would be offended how you have not read his essay seriously and thoughtfully, one that is something that he has clearly thought long and hard about. Instead, as you often do, you have just used it for a jumping off point for your favorite memes against some straw man.
He is talking mainly to other Afro-Americans.
He sums up by asking all fellow Afro-Americans a rhetorical question. As you self-identify as an Afro-American that means he is addressing you. But I also think it is especially targeted at other Afro-Americans who are passionate about promoting their "tribe", as you are. My underlining, that's where I think it should speak to you
You could certainly disagree with him. But you haven't here as far as I can see. All you've done is dissed him by not even making an attempt to think about what he is saying.
by artappraiser on Thu, 08/29/2019 - 2:11am
If you play with 2-year-olds and show exaggerated amazement or sadness or guffawing when they do or say something, they are sure to repeat it - it's great fun.
Certainly if the Black Community has made it clear they will get bent out of shape on hearing this word, those who want them to get bent out of shape will use this word - it really simplifies things for the intentional offenders. I'd surmise that Blacks such as this author and Baldwin want to communicate "I left that ghetto and you can't put me back there with your words and hatred no/any more". I.e. free from that simple juvenile and destructive cause-and-effect, that Pavlovian intimidation from which it originally gained its power (the word standing as well for all the horrid repercussions that could take place if that demeaning white-ordained order of things were not upheld, a quick check on the power imbalance to make sure the lower caste understood his or her place).
Uncertain insecurity is not power. Obviously in a police standoff or other danger areas we know that that old power imbalance can play out as well today. But it might be important to show the self-assuredness in environments where equality and predictability are the norm. As they used to say, peace is not just the absence of war. Obliterating offensive words doesn't show that fear has been displaced - it might even be a sign that it hasn't.
by PeraclesPlease on Thu, 08/29/2019 - 11:00am
Related, except the speaker was only half-white:
by artappraiser on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 1:33am
Stones and sticks (and AR-15's) are great for kicks, but words can only hurt me.
Thanks, Mom!
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 5:55am
This is a controversy so it's worth discussing. But from my point of view the answer is so obvious no debate is possible. If nigger is used as a slur people shouldn't use it. If it's not used as a slur it's ok. Just as calling Italians wop or Jews kike is wrong. But saying that kike is a nasty slur used to insult Jews is simply a statement about the history of the word. We don't say the k-word or the w-word. Fortunately I'll never be a politician or a person of influence or power so I don't have to give a shit if someone decides to attack me for posting those words here.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 1:44pm
I agree that it is obvious and debate over it makes no sense, is not rational. .And I wouldn't just get into any tom dick or harry bloviating on the same for that very reason.
But I thought John McWhorter's interest in the whole issue very intriguing because, as a professor of linguistics, he is pondering the whole thing from another level, as a linguistic phenomenon.
by artappraiser on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 2:10pm
Yes, I agree, the McWhorter article was a much better discussion of the issue than I've seen in other places and I'm glad you posted it here. Other wise I'd have missed it.
by ocean-kat on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 2:13pm
Both McWhorter and Baldwin are taking a more academic approach to the word. I note that the student who protested the professor’s use of the word was white. I come away thinking that the person who objected to Moseley’s use of the word was white. The conversation should best be conducted among white people. I will miss Moseley on Star Trek Discovery as the show was the reason that I shelled out money for CBS All Access.
Obviously, the situation is different when it is in your face. The discussion is no longer academic it is in your face.p
And
https://medium.com/@bikomandelagray/who-is-the-nigger-3410b8335801
Underlying it all
https://www.azquotes.com/quote/953568
https://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Ugly-Truth-of-Being-a/243234
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 10:05pm
Yup, the issue McWhorter was addressing in this article was white people calling black people nigger. How did we all miss that? Was he for or against?
by ocean-kat on Sun, 09/08/2019 - 11:58pm
The word is toxic. McWhorter was addressing an academic setting, but the student who complained about the professor knows the word in an entirely different context and we can’t pretend that the word is not toxic. The majority does not hear the word in a benign form. The fact that the white student reacted is, in fact, a good thing.
The student may know the word as used colloquially. It is not a term of endearment when spoken by a white person in many cases. The student questioned the use of the word. The university investigated the context and the professor was cleared.
https://www.theroot.com/princeton-students-walk-out-of-lecture-after-pro...
The students have grown up in a world where the use of nigger, never has a good meaning
A racist, mentally unstable white man wh has used the word nigger is still allowed to play in the NFL
https://www.theroot.com/the-oakland-raiders-grabbed-an-openly-racist-player-out-1835092499
The students are responding to their real world experience. Their experiences are negative encounters with real world use of the word. It is possible that current are more sensitive to the hurt caused by the word than past generations.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 12:50am
Perhaps they run across people like you who promote their opinions as definitive, where they *have* to take the word as toxic and soul-shattering, rather than largely defanged and anachronistic or something more linguistically complex?
"All the Niggas in the house..." is "never has a good meaning"? "Yo, my nigga..." isn't embued with warmth? The term doesn't communicate tough guy strength in other use? Or warm disapproval with "Niggah, pleeez..."? Or just a setup for humor or just background for street talk (just watched Kids, where it was all over the place, almost never in the emphatic vocative expected to offend, more "them guys", as often not black as black)? Or the name of a Dick Gregory book I read as a kid., where he said "Mama, if you hear that word now, they're just talking about my book"?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:26am
Come on PP, it's not like black people listen to rap or Beyonce. That's just for white people. Black "students have grown up in a world where the use of nigger, never has a good meaning "
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:40am
Sorry, just the uninformed linguist in me coming out.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:45am
You do realize Malcolm X died 55 years ago when schools and water fountains and hotels were still segregated, when blacks didn't have professional positions all through the economy?
I can quote Grapes of Wrath, but there are very few sharecroppers, grape pickers, anyone in farming these days.
And in those earlier times you could make the claim there's been no progress. Yet to quote Baldwin today as fact, "constant state of rage", would say more about you than our highly changed though still greatly flawed society. Humorless? No fun? No hope? No leisure and respites?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:44am
The rage continues. You are in a bubble along with A
Reviewing an interchange between Jonathan Chait and Ta-Nehisi Coates in the Atlantic, Michael Denzel Smith noted the following from Chait
You have an outsiders perspective.
https://www.thenation.com/article/function-black-rage/
We have a white supremacist in the White House. That is not progress.
Rage from the perspective of a black author
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/opinion-mike-brown-rage-racism_n_5b6992cee4b0de86f4a52959
You have limited interaction with black people. Stories of black rage are very commmon.
Edit to add:
Im reminded of a book that Roxane Gay recommends. The Title “Eloquent Rage”. It details the anger and rage felt by black women.
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250112576
Again expressions of black rage are very common.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 9:45am
Why Coates vs Chait? Coates' shtick is built on that grievance and activism. Give me Kareem, Jesse Jackson, Chuck D, Corey Booker, Alice Walker, Stacey Abrams, Lebron James, Trevor Noah, Meghan Markel, the Obama kids, Stephanie Wilson and Neil Tyson, Oprah Winfrey, Tyra Banks, Selena Williams, Guy Primus, Ime Archibong, Ava DuVernay...
Surprise us.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 10:48am
Let's look at the evidence.
Billie Holliday sings Strange Fruit in 1939
Annie Lenox sings Strange Fruit in 2014
See. No change in 75 years. No progress. In fact it's gotten worse. That white woman is appropriating black music.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 11:26am
Coates “shtick” is shared by a majority of African Americans
84% of blacks say that the legacy of slavery impacts them today
Again, my position is not an outlier
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 11:47am
More dumbfuckery. Of course slavery still impacts the US. But let's hear professionals say whether the n-word is a big deal or not. Let's hear professionals talk about their priorities for equality and living the American Dream. Running to activisys all the time unsurprisingly gives you activist opinions, not mainstream.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 12:14pm
You repeated ask why I keep bringing up slavery and other past events.
70% of whites and blacks think nigger should never be used by white people.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/04/09/key-findings-on-americans-views-of-race-in-2019/ft_19-04-09_race_keytakeaways_blackandwhiteadults/
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:07pm
In discussions like this I don't care what the popular view is. I care about what you and others think and what are your arguments defending your opinions. If I quoted a poll that disagreed with your view on an issue you wouldn't accept or value it. You would, without argument, simply dismiss it as racism.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:17pm
Incorrect. I accepted that a majority of Black voters in Virginia wanted Northam to stay.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 3:07pm
where was that, I missed it...I did see and still do see a ton of commentary from you, that implies that "blacks" are simply outraged, outraged, about anyone who ever came close to blackface in college.
Which brings up the thing that no one here seems to be able to get across to you: if you said you yourself were outraged, that would be your emotional response and your personal opinion, and I dare say no one here could reasonably argue with you about it! Why would they?! It's not a fact, it's your personal emotional opinion. What I have been trying to suggest is that ALL YOU HAVE TO DO TO IMPROVE YOUR COMMUNICATION EXPERIENCE HERE IS USE THE FIRST PERSON in your writing: "I" instead of "we", "I" instead of "blacks",. and stop talking to straw men, talk directly to the people that are here, not slogans or preaching, but talk, actually talk. Don't purport to be an expert on the whole "the Afro-American community" and speak with the humility of one member of that community when you do speak on it in general rather than purporting you know how everyone with black skin thinks.
Using "I think that's racist" vs. a global pronouncement Like "that's racist" or "they are all racist" would make a world of difference in the feedback you get.
Likewise "what do you think about this poll?" vs. "here's proof" is also a world of difference.
It's called conversation instead of preaching.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 4:44pm
I’m not changing anything. We all give our opinions. You and your friends create the strawman that I talk for all blacks. I heavily criticized Cornel West, for example. I criticize Diamond & Silk. I had differences with Wattree
BTW, Trump is a racist.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 4:57pm
He accepts blacks in Virginia wanted Northam to stay but he still thinks they are outraged outraged outraged. Despite the outrage enough made the difficult choice because a republican might take over if he resigned. A republican is worse than a democrat in blackface I guess. That's my summary of his view.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 8:06pm
Nothing that I said of Northam was out of bounds. If you recall there was a post at dagblog that said Northam’s sorry ass should be kicked out of office. The local NAACP, the Black Caucus in the Virginia legislature, multiple members of the US Congress, and multiple Democratic Presidential candidates agreed that Northam should go.
The initial thought was Fairfax would take his place. Fairfax was accused of sexual assault. The next guy in line admitted to wearing blackface. The movement to remove Northam faded.
Do you disagree with the above timeline?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 8:50pm
70%+ thought we should invade Iraq.
in 2000, I'm sure 70% were against gay marriage.
In 1975 80-90% thought there was no problem with the rebel flag.
30% isn't something to just dismiss, especially with reasoning behind it.
I personally think blacks were stronger when they seemed to overcome the sting of the word and be bigger than people who used it to insult. Like I"m pretty sure Yid and Dago and Mick have lost their 19th & early 20th century bite. But I'm just dumb cracker I suppose - I'm not any of these, so I guess I have no idea.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 6:00pm
The best thing about the word is that it doesn’t matter what you feel. It’s not about you. Use it in public and your career could be over.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 6:50pm
Except I don't live there - most people here won't even understand it.
That's the funny thing about words - they really aren't universal, as much as they feel that way.
I remember an interview, I think with John Entwistle of The Who in Rolling Stone, talking about the word 'fuck', say it 100 times, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck and it loses its meaning, its power, its offensiveness. It's just some letters or a combination of sounds, arbitrary. If I say "chinga" it means something to someone, if i say "faen deg" a different group will get offended. If I say "γαμώ" you probably can't even pronounce it much less understand it or be offended. If I say "kstella brut" you don't know if it's the same or not - is it a language? is it my own? is it good or bad? does it change by the moment so now it's warm, in 40 seconds it's hateful? does it have tones? do you scream it or whisper it, sing it or click it?
By what kind of magic do words control us like a magic circle drawn around that we can't escape?
In Morocco they can do magic where you crawl on your knees and bray like a donkey.
Is that where we are?
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 7:53pm
The word has a specific history in the United States In the past, blacks had little power to attack the word when it was used by whites. Times have changed.
In the case of the New School professor, she was cleared. The outrage came from a white student. In the case of the. professor asking. “gut punch” question, he received a gut punch response, again from a white student. Instructors are going to have to do a better job of explaining why they are using the word. White students are arguing that other whites cannot use the word, even in an academic setting.
Some blacks argue that they have taken back the word. Hip Hop uses the word. Taking back the word has not ended the hurt and anger people feel when it is said to their face. This does not seem like rocket science.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 8:42pm
Why do you keep playing stupid? Of course calling someone a nigger with contempt is different than hip hop use or a linguistic discussion or whatever... I fuckung outlined different cases above. You are a goddamned child who refuses to argue anything with seriousness, despite your moronic repettitiveness to try to get your cant accepted as gospel without any adult logic. *Why* does a grown person have to faint at the use of a term that is already considered stupid and backwards and anachronistic/regionally retarded for decades? Why when we try to make our behavior color neutral is it progressive to anally parse what colors of people said a word especially not in a demeaning context? But Miss Rmrd Manners sez so so that's just how it is, now let me regurgitate 12 links and 14 paragraphs of polling and MLK and James Baldwin.
Finished. I will do my best to no longer participate in your incessant yet superficial race churning - it goes absolutely nowhere, and we end up dazed and stupider for the effort.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 11:00pm
rmrd only wants to talk about whether it's ok to call blacks nigger to their face because he thinks he can win that argument. And of course he can since there's no argument. Everyone here thinks it's wrong to call minorities racial and religious slurs. It's the premise we started with at the top of the page. Arta could have picked any few sentences out of the article but she chose, " It’s long been accepted that the slur shouldn’t be used by white people to refer to black people."
But what does he think about the other 99.9% of the article. I have no fucking idea since he never addressed any of it.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 11:03am
I pointed out that the students who complained about the use of the word were white. They were the ones who complained to the administrators. In the second cases, the black students sat around wondering WTF was happening, Apparently, they launched no complaints. The white students were the ones who were offended. It seems professors need to have better relationships with their white students.
Nigger is a toxic word. Hip-Hop tells the lie that they have taken away the power of the word. Ludacris had a young woman come on the stage and sing lyrics he had written. He halted the show when she sang nigger, telling the young woman that she could not use the word. McWhorter gives us the super special conditions under which white people can use the word. The verbal contortions are ridiculous. Limits are put on the word being used by white people. You might as well just use n-word because you are giving the word nigger special status by placing limits on its usage.
You won’t have professors being sent to the principal’s office..
A real word is a word that can be used everywhere.
Nigger is officially the one word in the English language that has this racially based special status. Democracy won’t collapse if we don’t use the word.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 2:49pm
I pointed out that the students who complained about the use of the word were white.
And thank god for that. Why none of us would have realized it without you pointing it out.
McWhorter gives us the super special conditions under which white people can use the word. The verbal contortions are ridiculous.
What super special conditions? How are they verbal contortions and how are they ridiculous? You don't get to just make those claims without backing them up with rational reasons. I've been using the word in this and other blogs based on his reasoning without any so called verbal contortions.
Democracy won’t collapse if we don’t use the word.
Don't you mean Democracy won’t collapse if you white people don’t use the word. Because black people can use it anytime they want and a lot of them use it a lot.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 3:04pm
Not all black people use the word. Most black people do not see themselves as niggers. (Cue Chris Rock joke). I’m not a nigger. As James Baldwin said, niggers are a white fiction. Since nigggers don’t exist, just use the n-word. As nigger has no meaning because it refers to fictional people
Mc Whorter on whites using the word nigger
https://www.theroot.com/lets-make-a-deal-on-the-n-word-1790880617
Reading McWhorter, the idea that there are limits on whites using the word comes through.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 3:34pm
Not all black people use the word.
Another astute observation that we never would have discovered without you. When I posted black people can use it and a lot of them use it a lot you brilliantly decided I meant all.
Since nigggers don’t exist, just use the n-word.
I don't need instructions from you. I don't really respect your opinions very much so I wouldn't take instruction from you even if I needed it. All I care about is that you address the issue at hand with rational argumentsThat I will consider and respond to with the most rational arguments I can come up with.
The word nigger is not unique. Like all the many racial and religious slurs people should not use them as insults. All people no matter what their race or religion shouldn't use kike, or chink etc. Nigger is somewhat unusual in that many black people have decided to use it. That seems short sighted and ignorant to me but why should I care
by ocean-kat on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 9:11pm
I posted comments made by McWhorter. McWhorter suggests that whites can only use the word under special circumstances.
The Baldwin documentary is titled “I Am Not Your Negro” and not “I am Not Your Nigger” for a reason. Let the rappers have their fun. Don’t use the word.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 9:49pm
You actually still believe you can tell people what to do. It's amusing.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 11:04pm
McWhorter suggests whites only use the word under special conditions.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 11:15pm
Yes.
(And not that it means anything, but I simply posted the headline editor's lede sentence.)
Comes to mind it's the usual, often takes news stories and makes straw men of them, too. It's not about what's being reported or what a writer is saying, it's just: grab another chance to preach my favorite gospels.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 2:56pm
P.S. I said it right here on this thread in reply to rmrd Thu, 08/29/2019 - 2:11am
Which begs the question: why are we constantly lured into repeating ourselves over and over? That reply should have been enough and I should have quit. Don't know about you, but I put it back on me: how can I communicate better. Comes from my T.A. days, I guess. That's why I keep trying. But sometimes one has to realize it is hopeless.
by artappraiser on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 3:10pm
Yes, it's so frustrating. We think we've put part of the debate behind us by agreeing with rmrd and we can move on to the parts were we disagree and then it just keeps popping up over and over again.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 09/10/2019 - 3:31pm
Since we've been dragged off topic to rmrd's constant single drumbeat meme for the umpteenth time, obliterating a experrt's complex and nuanced stab at a single linguisitics topic in our current culture,instead claiming to speak for what all Afro-Americans care about to dumb whitey dagblog, I'd like to surprise and not do the usual thing. Let's do outrage like he likes. Let's sling crap back at him. Where's that old outrage about Biden and the Dem party in general? Let's troll him like he trolls us >
--Alveda King: Trump has done more for African Americans than Biden, Des Moines Register, May 2
She knows what people like rmrd are up to, and she's gonna use it and abuse it!
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:24pm
If this is what you want to use, I’m feeling great.
Try Diamond & Silk and Candace Owns next.
BTW in the New School and University of Pennsylvania cases white students were the ones who complained. That was probably the situation in theMosley case as well.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:34pm
But isn't that the argument Obama made when he claimed passing the ACA was a major victory It significantly reduced but failed to eliminate medical deprivation. Was Obama wrong, was the ACA no progress? Or was Obama an outsider too since his mother was white and he was most raised by his mother's white parents?
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 11:37am
Looking at the state of the country today, over 70% of blacks think that race relations are bad and that Trump has made them worse.
https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/
I think the overall feeling is that conditions are worse.
Regarding the ACA, the current sense is that there is a threat that it will be taken away. The final impact remains in question.
https://www.vox.com/2019/3/27/18282509/trump-obamacare-lawsuit-health-care
Do you think race relations and the status of blacks has improved?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 12:08pm
Obfuscation. Your reply doesn't address my post. Then you expect me to answer a question that I didn't post about.
You just want to change the subject. If Obama says something you agree with you link it to the sky but if he disagrees you refuse to even address it.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 12:39pm
The fact that blacks feel that their situation is worse is the overriding factor. Do I consider the ACA a failure? No. Do I think Obama was lying? No. The reason is that the GOP has obstructed Obamacare since the beginning.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/opinion/republicans-obamacare-aca.html
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:30pm
The fact that blacks feel that their situation is worse is the overriding factor.
As to what? If one was actually addressing the topic of this thread, the use of the n word when discussing examples of use of the n word, if blacks feel their situation as regards that is worse, that would mean they don't like the current overly politically correct attitude about the same among white people.
I think it's very racist to talk about "blacks" as if they all think alike. And you speak for them. Really. It's offensive to me. You get too many mulligans around here on that. Speak for yourself only. You use intentionally racially divisive discourse methods for partisan purposes. It's ugly.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:43pm
I provide polling data that recognizes that blacks are not a monolith.
Edit to add:
I see the triumvirate as whitesplaining stuff all the time. You engage in a pile on.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 2:07pm
Yeah, cuz oceankat's totally onboard with everything I say (think he might have a mancrush on me if I dare posit).
And Troika is the proper word - Triumvirate's so Roman and similar to Trumpirate and temperate.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 2:41pm
Speaking of linguistics. (Yes, a complex pun.)
I think we need a dictionary definition of racism as part of the terms of service at Dagblog--pick one, any one--and then people who don't use it according to the definition get banned. Everything cannot be racism, I find it sad that the power of the word is being constantly devalued on this site basically by one person. I find it sad thinking about my relatives and friends with non-white skin.
by artappraiser on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:33pm
Fine by me. Keep in mind though
and
https://www.upworthy.com/pulling-out-the-dictionary-definition-of-racism-is-a-surefire-sign-that-you-dont-understand-racism
(corrected link)
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 1:58pm
"I can't definee racism, but I (not you) know it when I see it"
One of the great copouts.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 2:44pm
Provide the definition where deviation results in banishment.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 3:08pm
No idea what that means.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 4:23pm
AA proposed banning those who violated a set definition of racism.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 4:58pm
Well, many words have multiple definitions, but making it up as you go or driving an offroad vehicle doesn't make good blog logic.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 09/09/2019 - 5:55pm