MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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By Molly Hennessy-Fiske, reporting from Houston, Texas, L.A. Times, July 23, 2013
Colion Noir may not fit the NRA stereotype, but he does click with fellow members and is 'certainly causing some controversies.' [....]
In the world of gun owners, Noir, an African American, has become an Internet sensation and his popularity is growing. At this year's National Rifle Assn. convention here, he was surrounded by fans when he arrived to film a Sportsman Channel segment on the NRA News stage [....]
Noir has attracted followers with funny, edgy pro-gun videos — titles include "Gun Control & Bathrooms" and "You Know You're a Gun Control Hypocrite if ..." He has emerged as a dynamic and unexpected NRA persona [....]
Photo caption: NRA commentator Colion Noir frequently points out that he does not fit the stereotype of NRA members, or what he calls OFWG: “Old, fat white guys.” (Molly Hennessy-Fiske / Los Angeles Times)
Comments
It just goes to show that whatever the NRA is fighting for is schizophrenic and reactionary. Somebody should tell Noir (That's his real name?) that the Second Amendment was created to protect the right of large groups of slaveowners to shoot down escaped slaves.
by Orion on Fri, 07/26/2013 - 3:43am
by PeraclesPlease on Fri, 07/26/2013 - 5:26am
Yes - it's a fantastic idea to build policy around a racial supremacist group, Peracles. That'll put us on the right path.
BTW thank you for your comments on the Oscar Grant article I posted. I get very intense on this issue and a little overboard. I'm sorry if I've vented on you - it's my problem there, not yours.
by Orion on Mon, 07/29/2013 - 5:03am
I never thought of the Panthers as a "racial supremacist group", sorry - I thought some were "black nationalists" - meaning they could have self-determinism, protection, the right to exist. Their tactics were sometimes in-your-face, but less than the police harassment they were resisting.
I'm also assuming we're not conflating the loser "New Black Panthers", and accepting that the Black Panthers certainly had socialist roots and some of the Panthers were more extremist than others. Overall, I just see it as "let's take back our streets", as a noble effort though doomed because of the direct attacks by the FBI.
[grazie re: Grant]
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/29/2013 - 6:55am
Southern Poverty Law Center lists the New Black Panthers as a racist, supremacist group. Black nationalism was loaded with very unhealthy attitudes - it's why MLK spoke down about it. It's also why that scene in Forrest Gump was so amazing - the scene where Forrest says "Sorry for interrupting your Black Panther meeting." Forrest was wearing a military uniform and being polite to black people - their whole ideology told them that was impossible.
Attitudes towards guns in the black community are not healthy. I have some close black friends who talked about "arming" themselves after this Zimmerman verdict. That is reactionary. I understand how it develops but it will not provide healthy outcomes for the children who are raised in that environment, for anyone. Meanwhile, all the gangsta rappers that are still popular (though not as much as they used to be) are playing a sort of power gang. I'm not black but I imagine a feeling of powerlessness and fear has been present in many American blacks for generations and owning a gun may dampen that down somehow.
by Orion on Mon, 07/29/2013 - 8:56am
Please, the "New Black Panthers" has absolutely 0 to do with the "Black Panthers", and the Panthers have asked them repeatedly to stop using their name.
NBPP and Nation of Islam may be the "supremacist group" you're looking for - Black Panthers was more about protection & justice, not that Huey Newton was the nicest person you'd ever meet. At the time they were founded (1966) their agenda was pretty spot on for the times.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 07/29/2013 - 9:44am
You've got a lot of work set out for you, a lot of people to try to get outraged about this history. Because 18% of black Americans personally own a gun and 24% of the live in a household with them.
And don't forget that history is a continuum. Peracles is correct to point out the Black Panthers as pioneers of the current gun rights movement. Here's another article to that effect, one arguing that they were the true pioneers. You see slavery, many blacks might see an empowerment which someone like you may be trying to take away (i.e., if guns are outlawed, only rich white slaveowners will have them.) Just sayin'....I don't see your line of argument winning too many hearts and minds of those that need to be won over.
by artappraiser on Fri, 07/26/2013 - 12:17pm
The Black Panthers are not exactly known as a progressive group. They were extreme in their own time. I've heard arguments by right wingers (since I once was one) about blacks using guns to defend themselves against the Ku Klux Klan. It's Twilight Zone stuff.
And I'm not a politician. Guns have some emotional power appeal to alot of people. Remember the woman in that American Beauty who kept chanting "I am not a victim" movie while grabbing her Beretta? The power of death over life is indeed strong but it's an illusion.
A large portion of this population thinks guns are something they're not. They are built for murder and you better be prepared for the presence of a dead body or to be a dead body if you're going to have guns in your life.
As for that statistic about the portion of blacks who own guns, I am surprised it's not larger. There is certainly alot to be afraid about in the black community and fear motivates most gun ownership. What you and Peracles bring up is people who owned guns in response to extremism - it's not sane by definition.
I don't really give a damn if what I am saying doesn't convince the gun owning voting public (which hardly sounds like a majority from the numbers you gave). If parents sending their children to school only to find them riddled with holes and decomposing thanks to a madman who never would have been armed in a sane society isn't enough to convince the public to do something, even something modest! - then there's nothing that can be said that will be more convincing. By being against any legislation to stop mass murder like we are seeing, people are effectively saying that they like mass murder, they like death - that they like living like this.
Perhaps much of the public is not responsible enough to make sound decisions about safety and security. Perhaps more grounded people need to protect them from themselves.
by Orion on Sun, 07/28/2013 - 7:33am
Of course they're a progressive group - what the hell? Read their 10 points below.
Huey Newton used the 2nd Amendment as a basic point to allow blacks to defend themselves and self-police. That's not fear, that's not mayhem, that's not anarchy - that's the basic premise of a well-regulated militia to begin with. He's a million-miles away from purposeless Tea Party gun nuts who only see some abstract threat of government totalitarianism (missing the real developing government control in front of their eyes), while the Black Panthers saw regular government incursions into their neighborhoods and bodies carried out.
Just because you don't like guns doesn't mean that view defines every "progressive" organization.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 07/28/2013 - 8:58am
Alot of nationalist groups make claims of wanting all sorts of social programs for their people. Black Panthers are black nationalists.
by Orion on Sun, 07/28/2013 - 7:25pm
I don't really give a damn if what I am saying doesn't convince the gun owning voting public
Then why did you say
Somebody should tell Noir (That's his real name?) that the Second Amendment was created to protect the right of large groups of slaveowners to shoot down escaped slaves.
?
Your comment sure sounded like you thought he didn't know that, and if he knew that, it might change his thinking about guns.
by artappraiser on Sun, 07/28/2013 - 10:21am