MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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The commission could reduce the number of superdelegates by not making members of Congress automatic delegates. It could require the superdelegates not endorse any candidate until after the final nominating season contest. Similarly, it could recommend state parties to open their primaries to independents—just not anyone already registered with another party.
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How many black and Latino voters were suppressed by the current system? If you aren’t a member of the Democratic Party, should you get to decide who Democrats choose? Bernie Sanders, for example, was a Democratic Party member only for his convenience. He did not speak for most Democratic Party minorities.
by rmrd0000 on Fri, 12/08/2017 - 4:35pm
I think this is another issue that many, perhaps most, democrats disagree with the Sanders agenda. The claim in the article that this is also part of the progressive agenda is false. As a pretty far left liberal I support the superdelegate system as a necessary check in the case of an emergency. It's never been used to subvert the majority. Superdelegates have the same right as anyone to endorse a candidate. I don't see why we should restrict that right simply because they are superdelegates. I see no good reason to allow independents to vote in democratic primaries only problems. If they can simply vote in democratic primaries there are always the possibilities of subversion with republican leading independents voting for the easiest democrat to beat. While it's possible that last year Sanders might have done better if independents could vote that might not always be the case. Independents are generally more conservative than most democrats. Sanders supporters should be careful what they wish for. It's pretty easy to register as a democrat if they want to vote in a democratic primary. That a sufficient opening for them to vote if they want to.
by ocean-kat on Fri, 12/08/2017 - 4:59pm
I'd hoped "superdelegates" meant party elders would help avoid party suicide, but their performance this past week has been quite the opposite.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 12/09/2017 - 12:01pm
If you're referring to the Franken situation mostly I agree. The problem is Franken became the republican whataboutism counter to Roy Moore, Trump, any republican accused of sexual misconduct. Whataboutism counters require a nuanced discussion in a population that mostly doesn't know the facts nor is interested in a complex conversation. It requires that complex conversation so people can be educated. What they felt was politically expedient whether fair or unfair usually wins the day. Getting rid of Franken removed the republican argument without having to have that difficult conversation.
by ocean-kat on Sat, 12/09/2017 - 3:11pm
Yes, but if the party elders can be played this easy...
Remember it was largely Robert Byrd who doomed Hillarycare - Republican response was largely accounted for.
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 12/09/2017 - 4:29pm
Part of the problem is Franken didn't deal with it well. People like Franken need to find a better way to deal with spurious accusations. Might have been better if his first response had been, "Get real, I never touched her breasts as the picture clearly shows. I just pretended to as a joke. It may have been a bad joke or a rude joke or even an inappropriate joke. But I didn't grope her." Maybe he was doomed from the start given the current climate and nothing he could say would matter but some of the accusations should have been vigorously challenged.
eta: Another problem we have in this discussion is the catch phrase, "Believe the women." That was a reaction to most women being disbelieved most of the time. No one meant we should never check their stories and believe without any reasonable investigation at all. A better catch phrase might have been, "Trust but verify."
by ocean-kat on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 12:30am
As I phrased it, "take women seriously". Simply believing Franken's accusers for example meant disbelieving a dozen or so Franklen defenders. This will almost always be. Are women immune to lying and self-delusion, unlike men?
by PeraclesPlease on Sat, 12/09/2017 - 6:23pm
Women who were "taken seriously" in 17th century Salem. Unfortunately.
by Flavius on Sat, 12/09/2017 - 10:16pm
Part of the problem is Franken didn't deal with it well.
Is the only problem in my eyes. I don't admire him any more as a politician and not because of the accusations but because how he's handled it. He's not just a grownup but a Senator who helps make our laws. If he can't handle heat such as this, he's not as talented at it as I thought.
Compare Bill Clinton handling the whole Lewinsky thing while running the nation's economy well, chasing Bin Laden et. al., maintaining a high approval rating, being more sleepness about dirty bombs than Ken Starr, dealing with Newt Gingrich on serious issues, etc.
I'll be honest and say I couldn't handle that type of heat and might say screw this job, I'm quitting. But I'm not asking to be a Senator. Don't get me wrong, maybe that what he's thinking is that he doesn't want to do it anymore either, and if he is, that's fine, who I am to judge about life choices. Certainly most people aren't cut out for big time political life, especially at one of the nastiest times in its history.
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 2:41am
Good points - he's not naive, should have known where this was going to go after his book "Lying liars..." on - but I'm not sure if I admire *any* of our politicians. Does Gillibrand think she comes out of this looking better? Kamala Harris? We seem to always be dwarves in abundance without a Snow White.
Sorry to bring it up, but Clinton at least made them sweat trying to defeat her, had some resilience. I don't see too much "belly for a fight" outside of Liz Warren and begrudgingly Bernie Sanders. Where's our party's Johnny Rotten? I mean it, man.
And most ironically, voting in people because they have a uterus suddenly seems trending. What a difference a year makes. Out with one hardfast "principle", in with another 1 or 2. To counter Madeline, I don't think there's a special place in hell - there's plenty of room for all sorts, even ones we haven't thought of yet.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 2:56am
Matt Taibbi simply apologized to save time and breath explaining, and that seems to have been a wrong move. in today's climate. I personally feel like it's difficult to transcribe a "what'd you do in the war" prior existence with a Christian Bible retreat, especially if you enjoy just making shit up as I do. I never deluded myself into thinking the Democratic Party was stock full of my cultural peers, and long ago resigned myself to only a few understanding what the fuck I was talking about, which isn't really self-praise as much as an admission of being frequently overcomplicated by vocation and sheer perverse enjoyment. And having experienced a bit of the types of worlds Taibbi did, I'm sure there was some thought to "what sells" as well - let's try shuffling American Psycho or Drugstore Cowboy or Breaking the Waves or Dušan Makavajev's "Sweet Movie" into a 2017 hyper-sensitive environment. Danger danger, Will Robinson.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 8:29am
From your link, this is a great point which clarifies for me what some of us are bouncing around here:
Traversing societal/cultural behavior norms at any one point in time requires understanding of certain cues that can be quite sophisticated. I'm talking about behavior that is considered bad but is not clearly defined by law or case law as a crime or a tort. That doesn't mean the audience is always a tiny niche one, a big audience can get quite sophisticated. (Hence sayings like "what, were you born in a barn?" or "didn't your mother teach you anything?" i.e. everyone not living a closeted life should be able to get this is not the way to act.) It gets harder to do when norms are in the process of changing, but that still doesn't preclude a large popular audience understanding, and "South Park" is an excellent example.
Ok, now jump to the topic of who exactly is losing their jobs over this recent #metoo hysteria about things that have not been proved technically illegal: people whose work value depends upon popularity with a large audience: journalists, entertainers, politicians. So some of us don't have a lot of sympathy for them being treated "unfairly." If Matt Taibbi wants to work as a big star journalist rather than a radical niche market blogger, part of the deal is to be socially acceptable to a wider audience. Whether the audience is re-acting "fairly" or not is not applicable, it's just the way the bigger society is at this point in time. This is also why I have little sympathy for a Matt Lauer or a Senator Franken losing their job over not being able to 'splain things that haven't been tried in a court yet. They went for the bigger job, the bigger audience, the bigger money or power. Play by those rules, you can die by them too: your job basically is being acceptable to your audience.After all, it's not "fair" that you're being paid more or have more power than the average person, either.
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 9:37am
Whew, that's good to hear, as we already knew how to get rid of people holding McJobs - it's the ones who had a bit of social popularity and even bucks behind them we weren't sure how to expunge. Problem solved.
Here's that Yale professor team that quit over the outrage of saying maybe wearing whatever you want at Halloween isn't the end of the world. Maybe not the end of the world, but certainly the end of tenure. Vaya con dios, or aloha, or some other adieu from a marginalized culture. Their own damn fault, riding their celebrity and popularity to a privileged career amont the elites. Live by the Nougat Chocolat, die by the Nougat Chocolat. they say (I think). Should be more careful with your audience - easy for les animaux to turn on you.
It does bother me how to get rid of regular bloggers though, as they're often not paid and seem to hang on for no good reason. Oh well, leave that for another day.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 10:10am
P.S. to the above: part of the reason this interests me is that the whole thing also synchs with public vs. private funding of avant garde art. I.E., outrage and protest against a publicly funded exhibition with Serrano's Piss Christ in it or some Mapplethorpe homoerotica. It's always been clear to me why artists shouldn't expect public funding of radical avant-garde art that breaches norms to be smooth and easy. Lowest common denominator is going to smack you in the face when you go too far with breaching the norms. Democracy isn't about elitism. Heck, my father gets peeved when he gets the idea that part of his tax dollars might go to symphony orchestras, he feels that if you like that sort of thing, you should pay for it out of your own pocket.
by artappraiser on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 9:47am
I'm fortunate enough to live in a quasi-socalist environment that funds the arts and athletics and public transport and health care and a variety of other basic goods and services that provide for an attractive and unpanicked baseline of existence. Yeah, it even funds the more outrageous, though I don't think it really outrages the average person. Perhaps a big difference is a lower seriousness about religion, from which stems the bigger reactions - that and immigrants, which is another kettle of fish. Of course if the state's funding it, that's less money in the private sector, which has the tendency to queer the financial workings for supporting your own thing - you may end up playing the game of seeking the right subsidy from your government patrons rather than building your own structures.
In Amerca to pass those gates it has to be thoroughly anodyne, or old as fuck tradition, or "support the troops", or in some other way pass a litmus test of banality. Even evil has trouble surviving our suburban values.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 12/12/2017 - 10:18am
Nate Silver in a piece today on the AL results notes that Franken's approval ratings tanked and the link he gives goes back to a Dec. 6 piece with much more explanation, titled "Why Democrats Are Finally Pushing Franken To Resign"
by artappraiser on Wed, 12/13/2017 - 4:10pm
by HSG on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 10:05am
White voters elected Trump. The evidence that he was a racist and incompetent was clear. White voters will elect Roy Moore in Alabama. A significant percentage of white voters are not outraged by Trump’s connection to Russia. The Democrats could it overcome the white anger that elected Trump any more than Democrats can stop the election of Roy Moore.
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 10:38am
Trump was elected to the Presidency in the biggest victory in history. Because real Americans know he and the Republican Party are the straight shooting Party for the hard working white working class. They want more deportations and The Wall so they are on top again.
As you have pointed out in dozens of posts, the Democratic Party is the corrupt Wall Street Party. Bernie puts on a good show, but rural voters don't want higher taxes that go to moochers.
The GOP is the Party that wants to bring back morality in government, and put Trump supporters first. They believe in their hearts only an honest outsider white man who is born here can do that.
Trump is the real deal totally committed to the forgotten wage earner. Witness his tax plan, a huge boon to the middle class that will raise pay $4000. It will raise Trump's taxes, he even said so, but he'll sign it anyway. His health care plan means freedom from government.
His supporters are watching him drain the swamp of smug big government elites, rich lobbyists and Wall Street influence to the dismay of lefty snowflakes.
by NCD on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 11:39am
He gets the biggest crowds.
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 12:03pm
by HSG on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 2:51pm
You should try refuting Republican actions and ideology, your arguments will get nowhere until they lose power.
by NCD on Sun, 12/10/2017 - 5:14pm