MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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Putin Rules Out Extradition for Leak Suspect in Russia Airport
MOSCOW — President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia offered the first direct confirmation on Tuesday that Edward J. Snowden, the fugitive American national security contractor, was in a transit area at a Moscow airport, and he appeared to rule out American requests for his extradition to the United States.......
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You can't really assume "protection" from what is going on here, only a refusal to go outside the rules for the benefit of the U.S. We do not have an extradition treaty with them. They say he is in the transit area of airport and has committed no crime against Russia. Therefore, that means to "expel" him as the U.S. requests, they would be doing a law enforcement favor for the U.S.
I suspect they don't want to do this favor right now because it might brand them with an image they don't want. They don't know for sure whether they would like to be identified with Snowden or not yet. They want to be anti-American in certain ways, but not always. They want control over their message about the U.S.
If they had an extradition treaty with us, that would let them off the hook; if they didn't like how it turned out, they could always say they were required to do it. But they don't, so why should they put their neck out right this minute?
That's the current narrative for public international consumption and it's a safe course from their P.O.V. What the FSB is probably doing right now is scrambling for analysis for Putin, including lots of info. on what all parties involved are doing, and things might change. Meanwhile, a very convenient stall that makes a lot of sense from their P.O.V.
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 4:16pm
I did not say or imply 'protection' and 'friend' was used in the sense of this opinion from spy novelist Alex Berenson in the NYT today:
....He must tell the world the Panopticon has arrived. His masters vow to punish him, and he heads for Moscow in a desperate search for refuge. In reality he’s found the world’s most dangerous place to be a dissident, where power is a knife blade and a sprinkle of polonium. For now he’s safe. He’s of use to his new Russian friends. But if they change their minds ...
I assume you recall the Russian dissident killed by a sprinkle of polonium?
Since the 'naifs' (as Berenson describes them) at Wikileaks planned to put Snowden on a plane to Cuba a day or two ago, and since he didn't show up, it is a fair assumption the Russians are pumping Snowden, and his encrypted laptops, for everything that is there.
When done it will be up to them what happens to him.
Snowden is a naive narcissistic fool paying the price for his folly, while writer Glenn Greenwald sits safe and secure in Brazil cashing his checks from the Guardian.
by NCD on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 4:39pm
Just came across this translation, that Putin implied in a press conference that getting involved could be a case of "shearing a pig":
Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/06/25/snowden-and-putin-u-s-whistleblowers-fate-is-in-russian-presidents-hands/#ixzz2XGNR8Ocs
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 4:54pm
I saw this--it's an unsettling image--especially, I imagine, for Snowden, who is the piglet of the moment.
by erica20 on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 5:04pm
I read the pig quote as basically saying that it's not worth much to him to take a stand on this guy either way; my highlighting:
In any case, I would prefer not to deal with such questions, because it will turn out the same as sheering a pig – lots of squealing, little wool.”
That he would get squealing as capitulating to the American empire if he turned him over, but also he will get lots of squealing from the Americans forever and a day if he lets him take asylum on Russian soil. And what he's got ain't worth it. We'll see.
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 8:56pm
Right--it's probably the Russian equivalent of "all hat, no cattle," but the meta, of the poor little piggie with Putin standing over him with a clipper...that's the scary part!
by erica20 on Wed, 06/26/2013 - 12:23am
An apt image. Berenson, link above, would likely agree, Putin's goons probably have the clippers out now just for the bristle.
It's showing truly what a bunch of naive fools Wikileaks folks are to send him into Russia. Of course, Greenwald makes more money the longer this goes on.
by NCD on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 7:33pm
Well, if AA is right about Assange's relationship with Putin's "Mr. Nice Guy" promotional team, then maybe it wasn't a naive or foolish move to bring Snowden through Russia.
Time will tell. But I still maintain that the more time that goes by, the more tenuous the benefits offered by "friendship" with Putin.
by erica20 on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 7:39pm
the more time that goes by, the more tenuous the benefits
Could be that is just not about Putin. I am trying to think of a "defector" to Russia in the last century or so that ended up being happy; it's difficult. I don't know if you can totally blame the Soviet system on that, it may just be something that is ingrained in Russian culture that the Soviets exaggerated. Nice place to visit but no one really wants to live there?
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 9:00pm
Not foolish to bring him through Russia if Snowden doesn't mind the Russians combing through his 4 laptops of NSA data.
If they do it won't improve his legal defense, he has already been called a defector and traitor. Giving them the data would pretty well cement that status.
Of course, Assange, of Russia Today TV fame and permanent resident of the Ecuador embassy, or Greenwald, in Brazil, don't really give a damn about Snowden, they surely didn't give a damn about Manning either, Snowden and Manning are just tools they use up and throw away.
by NCD on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 10:40pm
I prefer this quote from the Berenson piece:
This gets at what I was trying to say about Obama admin. incompetence. Not even chess players much less 3-dimensional.
While it is not totally the executive branch's fault that so much of this stuff has been privatized, with the accompanying loose security clearances, how they played it after it happened strikes me as not just not savvy but stupid.
Seems like with all similar problems, they take the pit bull prosecutorial approach to solving this problem they've been handed, try to strike fear and loathing in everyone still working by making examples of the leakers. Lefties and libertarians worldwide react to that approach like a bully picking on a heroic underdog. They end up making propaganda heroes when they didn't have to.
The Wikileaks sympathizers et. al. would not have such good P.R. if they were treated less like clever lethal enemies and more like the dopey naifs you say they are and I tend to believe they are. I was just reviewing the Assange situation/story and it strikes me if they were just more transparent about what they are trying to investigate about him in that grand jury, he would have a much harder time looking like the hero to their bogeyman, probably be floundering in a Swedish courtroom to maintain any following at all.
by artappraiser on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 9:16pm
Most people want Snowden in jail. Snowden left the country. Tell us your approach.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 9:23pm
Maybe they did fly to Hong Kong to make a deal. I agree with Berenson they should have done so. It was Snowden, however, who did the deeds and selected the itinerary, and any rational person would conclude his judgment on handling his life the last week or so has not shown much understanding of how the world works, or how he can salvage what is left of his life while accomplishing whatever he set out to accomplish.
Working through Greenwald and Assange was likely his first big mistake, as I said, they will use him up and throw him away.
A measured anonymous release to the NYT, with a demand for Congressional hearings or more will be revealed, coupled with an eventual plea to minor charges is more along the lines of a better way to do this. He would be looked on favorably and really heroic, he would have ensured the subject receives national attention, and likely would get off with little prison time. But of course, Assange and Greenwald want it all, like with Manning, 'you got anymore secret stuff good buddy?' and, of course, they don't give a crap about your future.
by NCD on Tue, 06/25/2013 - 11:08pm
As of June 23, interestingly, NoBama:
From NYT's Snowden, in Russia, Seeks Asylum in Ecuador.
Or they wanted it to appear that way for some reason.
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/26/2013 - 1:12am
The airport game can apparently be played for a very long time:
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/26/2013 - 10:47am
from
Ecuador Hints at Slow Process on Snowden Asylum
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and RICK GLADSTONE, New York Times, June 26/27, 2013
by artappraiser on Wed, 06/26/2013 - 3:30pm