MURDER, POLITICS, AND THE END OF THE JAZZ AGE
by Michael Wolraich
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thanks for pointing this out, lots of interesting stuff there
As to your headline, I'd say only if it doesn't hurt There are I am sure a few that actually like it to hurt, but they would actually be seeking it out and doing it, not fantasizing it hurtless through porn.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 3:06pm
Yeah, it's kinda that ol Psych 101 Nazi experiment that does or doesn't prove sadism. Most just like that Helmut Newton airbrush aesthetic, which starts to get painful to remember.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 3:29pm
I think it's a mistake to assume that what a person fantasizes about when masturbating is what they want when having sex with a partner. They are two different things. Just because genitals and orgasms are involved in both experiences doesn't mean they are the same. Almost and usually the only goal when masturbating is having an orgasm and my fantasies are designed to achieve that goal. In sex with a partner there are many goals. For me one of those goals is not having an orgasm for as long as humanly possible. Diametrically different major goals. In my fantasies I rarely imagine much emotional content for the women. Perhaps I just don't have a rich fantasy life. In sex if the women isn't actively emotionally involved I get bored quickly. I don't want my fantasies to become real. The closer any real life sexual experiences I've had were to my fantasies the less fun and interesting they were.
Perhaps I'm just strange and weird this way. Perhaps most people want their fantasies to manifest in reality. But from my reading on the subject in books like the Hite Report is seems like many people have a fantasy life that is different to what they would like to happen in reality. It seems to me that sex and masturbation while related are very different experiences for many if not most people. Once the porn data goes deeper than what physical type a person prefers the information is less and less about sex and more about masturbation.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 5:19pm
I don't get that - if they have a number of categories like seniors, fatties, underage, huge breasts, men, etc., I'd easily assume the category they pick is in general what they prefer, short of some compensating drive for what's miissing in an otherwise fulfilled relationship. [yes, my thing for Brazilian rodents is more an outlier, partly to do with Guinness book of world records]
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 5:31pm
I don't disagree. I repeat, "Once the porn data goes deeper than what physical type a person prefers the information is less and less about sex and more about masturbation." The title you picked for this article was WOMEN LIKE SEEING WOMEN GET SLAPPED AROUND That's what provoked my reply. That's not about big breasts or Asians or fatties or any physical type. My point was that with anything more that physical type a person's fantasy life doesn't really tell us what they want manifested in reality. I agree that if a person fantasizes about blonds they likely prefer blonds in reality. But the narrative of the fantasy, what they do with the blond isn't necessarily what they actually want in reality.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 5:52pm
I think your theses is correct for most people including me. I think that makes you normal and me normal. I'm fully aware the comments of one anonymous male and one anonymous female on the internet are not a large double blind study. But then there's that I watched every damn episode of Showtime's Masters of Sex, based on Masters & Johnson's relationship, many more than once, so I also got some expertise, so there.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 6:25pm
Hmmm, I get the clown thing, the barnyard animals, the hot-for-teacher lounge, even the fizzy liquids channel - but I never pegged you as a Showtime binger. That's perverse. I'm at a loss for words.
As for being slapped around, I remember seeing Trainspotting, how beautiful Scotland is. And then I got there, and besides heather beer, which is kind of an acquired taste, discovered midgies, which are these cute little gnat-sized insects with teeth the size of piranha's. And about 1400 got into the car I was going to overnight in before I realized what they are - yes, I've seen Piranha 3D - and that there'd be no way to get them out and instead I found a motel. But I still like the movie Trainspotting. This I think is called an analogy, but don't hold me to it. And no, I never tried crawling into a toilet to fetch drugs, though did consider it.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 6:54pm
Oh Showtime is my favorite, especially as I was basically was raised in a neighborhood with the environment and characters depicted in Shameless.
Here again, I have independent verification. walking in L.A. at Christmastime with my closest in age brother and his new wife (Immigrant from Africa, with a few years in Germany, so she hasn't seen that much of American flyover reality, has to judge from tv, etc..) And she says: so what was the neighborhood like that you guys grew up in? And tells her, so she can get a picture--I have no idea what he watches on tv, he's kinda nuts and I can't take too much of him and we bicker continuously for 50+ yrs--it was just like Shameless. And I go: yeah you're right, funny I thought that too, it was just like Shameless.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 7:09pm
A vacation driving through Scotland and Wales on the old highways was absolutely the best thing I ever did in my life so far. It was the mid 80's. And I ain't talking just the awesomeness of landscape, which there is. I include 80's Glasgow as part of the whole picture, kinda like Gotham City come alive.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 7:15pm
Thanks, I think the data is there and it's more than just two anonymous people agreeing on the internet. What I'd really like to see is some psychological insight into why so many people fantasize about things they don't actually want manifested in reality.
The article contained some interesting information but we need to be careful in how broadly we use it. I've always felt it was sad that fat and older women were so often scorned as sexual companions. But a sad reality since sexual desire comes from deep within our unconsciousness and is almost impossible to change. Some of that is likely cultural programming and attempting to change the cultural programming would be a good thing still once programmed it's hard to change it. Even sadder if there are significant numbers who do feel sexual desire but current cultural attitudes stop them from following their desires. Sad for the men and the women.
This is a hard topic to discuss. Even though anonymous no one here really wants to discuss their fantasies or their sexual proclivities. I certainly don't. The hardest part of writing my comment is how to express my opinion convincingly while revealing as little as possible about my personal sexual or fantasy life. That is interesting in itself.
by ocean-kat on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 7:25pm
from deep within our unconsciousness
I think about this part of it all a lot! I.E., theoretically if all systems were working optimally, we'd be attracted to the best DNA mix to throw into our own. So someone or something quite the opposite. And that's what the fantasies are about? On the other hand, when you actually get into it, a big part of actual sex is craving for physical intimacy, even men who want just one night stands are looking for touch skin to skin. Likewise, women who have infants lose desire, I think not just because of hormones but because the infant is providing physical intimacy to the point of too much. You lose yourself in the intimacy, it's just the two of you, the rest of the world shut out and that includes intense experience of orgasm where you want to feel safe with each other, not challenged by a totally different kind of person, with totally different DNA, from a tribe you are not necessarily comfortable with.
by artappraiser on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 7:45pm
I don't know about "don't really want" - we want excitement, danger, but noot too much. Some S&M, some neglect tied to seduction tied to uncontrolled passion and then some normsalcy. Women's romance novels often had the rape fantasy - but if it's a common danger and occurrence, is it surprising to have paet of your game play, your adrenalin room?
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/02/2018 - 12:16am
If you really want to get into deep thoughts over this, there's also the mind over matter, become a higher being than a slave to reproductive urges thingie:
How would Gandhi’s celibacy tests with naked women be seen today?
By Ian Jack @ TheGuardian.com, Oct. 1
Roman Catholic doctrine about priests and honoring celibate saints would agree....we know how that's working out lately
by artappraiser on Tue, 10/02/2018 - 1:54am
I would like to test myself too. I feel confident I could successfully test my spirituality in greater ways than Gandhi. I propose that beautiful women sleep with me every night and I do have sex with them. But my spiritual being is so strong that I don't even enjoy it. As Gandhi believed sex existed only to procreate and never to enjoy my lack of enjoyment would be an even greater test and proof of my spirituality. I would assure you every morning that I was just going through the motions. Because I'm so spiritual you can trust that I'm being honest.
eta: All kidding aside I'd also like to push back on this notion that men are controlled by their biology. Lots of men resist lustful thoughts for extended periods of time without much difficulty. Most men could if they choose to. I and lots of men have been to nude beaches and nudist events were it would be considered gauche to walk around with an erection. Sex begins in the mind, the body follows. You simply don't think about sex when a naked women walks by. Its not hard. (pun intended) It's no different than not thinking about sex when you see an attractive clothed women. It's a bit unusual with naked women in social situations and might take a bit of getting used to but that sort of self control is easy.
Not only that at 60 Gandhi's sex drive was surely diminished and it's possible he couldn't get an erection and have sex even if he spent the night consumed by desire. Physical arousal is part of a feedback loop that starts in the mind. Break any link in that loop and control becomes much easier.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 10/02/2018 - 2:54am
I slept naked with a female for years - nothing beyond the usual petting. Occasionally a scratch behind her ears.
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/02/2018 - 5:19am
From the link (my bold):
How the hell would Google know?? And why should we trust this dude's assurance that it's 98%?
This whole article strikes me as at least as absurd as asking Google about your husband.
by barefooted on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 9:00pm
It's a funny thing but when my wife wants to know something, she asks me questions. If my answers don't tell her everything she wants to know, she observes me closely.
As far as I know, the method has been working for her.
by moat on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 9:12pm
And chances are really good that it's impossible to be a "secret alcoholic" among your significant others, because part of being significant means being close enough to observe ...
I know you, my man.
You're the person that I love ...
(wait, let me google)
by barefooted on Mon, 10/01/2018 - 9:27pm
That's the point - he's just cataloguing what people look for. All those little cookies add up into a persona, one search or visit at a time. Search, desire, want, infatuation, curiosity... what do these add up to. Even negative things we look up - they're strong enough for us to search for rather than ignore - they hold emotion points for us, feeding troughs for our psyches.
There's the story of the guy who went hunting, and a bear instead of killing him lays him out flat and fucks him. Humiliated, the hunter comes back the next year with better equipment, all prepared, but the same thing happens. So the guy goes back and gets all the high powered semi-autimatic, night vision stuff, but the bear still manages to sneak up on him. As the bear's ripping off the guy's hunting suit, he looks at the guy and remarks, "you're not coming here for the hunting, are you?"
by PeraclesPlease on Tue, 10/02/2018 - 12:25am