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Like some hardcore conservatives, I was pleasantly surprised today to learn that Congressman Paul Ryan will be the Republican nominee for the Vice Presidency. This is a choice so unnecessary and unhelpful that it is helpful to catalog the ways in which it is dumb. I am very pleased to report to you, dear readers, the many, many ways Mitt Romney blew the race for the White House today.
First, Ryan is an illogical pick based on geography, as Romney is unlikely to gain Wisconsin by picking him. Yes, he has a 38/33 favorability/unfavorability rating in Wisconsin, and yes, he is from Wisconsin. But that state models out to something like a 6 point Obama advantage. There are polls suggesting that Democratic Senate candidate Tammy Baldwin is running roughly even with her strongest GOP opponent, Tommy Thompson. But if you look at polling in the last few months, Obama is running better against Romney than Baldwin is running, and her race will be close. Put yet another way, remember those 18% of voters in the Wisconsin recall election who opted to keep Scott Walker but prefer Obama to Romney? A severely conservative Medicare-destroying local Congressman is not going to peel them off. Ryan has no geographic upside.
Second, and more importantly, Ryan blows Florida for Romney, which is a death blow to his campaign. In recent weeks, Flo-rida had been trending right round to Barack Obama and away from Romney, culminating in the likely overstated but telling Quinnipiac poll showing Obama up by 6. Part of the hope in traveling to Israel was to win a larger percentage of older Jewish voters who are strong for Israel in a variety of swing states, most notably Florida. Yet by picking the author of the Ryan budget, Romney has handed Obama a potent wedge that will keep seniors in the Democratic column to a degree sufficient that Obama's win chance in Florida probably shot from 60 to 80% plus; I still think (with apologies to Rootman) that Rubio would have delivered Florida. We will never know.
Third, Romney lost a chance to play against type and redefine himself. He could have chosen Sen. Kelly Ayotte and taken a shot at the gender gap. Man-With-a-Plan Ryan, with a voting record as far right as Michele Bachmann (the most conservative voting record and the furthest from the center, Nate Silver assures us, of any Vice-Presidential nominee since 1900), will bring Romney none of the gender appeal that could have softened his increasingly negative definition to independent voters. Romney lost the chance to portray the GOP as a bigger, broader tent by picking either Florida Sen. Marco Rubio or Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval. I differ with those who see those choices as pandering; they are all credible public servants to the same degree as Ryan. One could as well say, and might more reasonably say, that Ryan is a pander of a different sort. The party that consistently does well with white males has gone back to the one demographic it can expect to carry by a good margin. I thought "game theory" was taught at Harvard Business School. Snap! Guess not, oh well.
Fourth, Romney gave Obama the center. This election, if Romney was to win it, would not be won by base-revving. You do that when you're ahead. You polarize the remaining votes, attack where needed, and try to maintain your margin. It defines the Bush 2004 strategy, and increasingly, the Obama 2012 strategy. By picking someone further from the center than either major party has in a century, Romney played to the most extreme caricature of his party, and indeed, may have validated it for many reachable voters. As I said to my father last night, if Romney didn't already have a defined competency as the economic fix-it guy, what is he at all? He is now simply the guy who embraces the Greek austerity budget. The attack that Romney is the champion of class unfairness will resonate far more powerfully now that he at once champions tax cuts for the rich, has a second chair who does too, and wants to cut benefits to seniors. This allows Obama to be the defender of the cherished elements of the status quo, and allows him to explain that he tried to work with the Republicans in Congress but that they refused to deal with him.
Fifth, Romney listened to the idiot bloggers. I hate to break it to the Bill Kristols, Erick Ericksons and Rich Lowrys of the world, but bloggers are idiots. People on both sides are forever passing forward bromides about how what their team really needs is a more obdurately advanced, rigidly inflexible, dogmatic embodiment of their side's position. This is stupid, and reflects a childish need for self-validation that drowns out common sense. The Republican Party still doesn't get that Reagan won big in 1980 because of the utter unpopularity of Carter and the Iran hostage situation, and that a recovery fell into his lap. His great legacy was, ironically, propelling us into an era of unsustainable budgets. He dealt with Democrats in Congress, cut welfare less than Bill Clinton, raised taxes more than many Presidents, prosecuted less war than his three successors, and generally acted pleasant, which people liked. Ideological conservatives who spent the 80s misunderstanding and overestimating the meaning of their capture of the White House have spent thirty years droning about how if the Republican Party would simply nominate someone who matched their wishful, false vision of Reagan, their fantasy wish-fulfillment of political domination would come true. Like the South rising again, this is comically fanciful. Wake up, people -- nominating the Redstate version of Dennis Kucinich is the dumbest thing you will ever have done. Careful what you wish for 'cause you just might get it. And now you are going to get it, by 5 or more points, and more than 100 electoral votes.
Sixth, Romney may have given the House back to Obama. I don't think so, but he might have. As one of our contributors noted this morning, a Democratic operative gloated that the Democrats have spent the last eighteen months trying to make the 2012 House contest a referendum on the Ryan budget, and that Romney has now done it for them. I generally do my own analysis, but in this case will merely function as a stenographer, the wisdom of that thought being so painfully self-evident. Thanks, Mitt!
Seventh, Romney made the choice from weakness, reinforcing a narrative of his inevitable loss. Nate Silver, in a charitable bit of even-Stevening, found the choice thoughtful and reflective, because (he inferred) it reflected an awareness on Romney's part that he is behind; after all, it's unconventional to go harder right and thus, it means Romney is behaving in a more risk-preferring way because he is behind. If so, then it means Romney sees himself losing. This is the same type of decision-process that confronted Senator John McCain, who was counseled that his eventual VP choice was high risk and high reward. Seeing yourself losing, even if it is predictively accurate, can snowball on you as that narrative is carried forward, and as it prompts risk-taking. Another form of weakness is seems to have sprung from is that of needing to shore himself up on his right. But when you need to appease National Review Online with your Veep choice, well, yours is a bit of a vaporware campaign.
Eighth, Romney gave away what the primaries were about -- his supposed electability. He was the only candidate from among those Republicans who ran past fall 2011 who was "electable," whatever that means. He has now taken the mantle of his supposed pragmatism and moderation, and draped it with the bunting of rigid partisan orthodoxy. It is as if the point of the primaries was to signal to the base that Romney was not one of them, and then to the general election audience that he's actually not one of them either. This defies all conventional wisdom, and conventional wisdom is not always stupid. Here, it is a very bad omen for the future of the GOP -- that its supposedly anomalously moderate Presidential nominee cannot rely on his party to support him as such. It replicates the rightward ratchet that gave away the Senate in 2010. Is the Tea Party excited about this? Yep. Is it a bad idea? Just ask voters in Nevada and Colorado. They said no to this kind of Republican option in a lower turnout Senate race in 2010 with candidates less formidable than President Obama on the ballot. The rightward ratchet plays great in primaries, has nought to do with electability, and now has given away what the same right-wing pundits who got their way kept insisting -- insisting! -- was an election Romney would inevitably win anyway. Some thought leaders on the right in the media who advocated for this choice will not notice the tension between their assertion that Romney inevitably would win, and that his following their dumb advice made his already likely loss both worse and more likely.
Ninth, the House of Representatives is about as popular as diphtheria, and the Tea Congress in particular has a voting record that is largely toxic with the independent voter in a national election. So Paul Ryan is right there in our national sweet spot, along with James Traficant and the 1995 government shutdown. Go, House!
Tenth, whatever else you think. Like the Tenth Amendment, those arguments not otherwise enumerated above are reserved to the people. Can't have a blog about the ascent of the Tea Party without a good reference to the Bill of Rights.
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By Jane Mayer of the New Yorker. If you are wondering how far PBS is willing to go to placate David Koch to keep their funding? It gives you a look into the special documentry "Citizen Koch" and its fall out. The program was never aired except at Sundance. David Koch resigned from WNET on May 16th.
I am just as happy as a clam, best pick ever. This the fight Democrats want, this is the one we can win. This shows the stark differences between Democrats and Republicans.
This will forever be known as the LULZ 2012 campaign of crazy, Paul Ryan, climate change denier, he sponsored a fetal person hood bill, he opposes funds for family planning, he is an extremist when it comes to privatizing Medicare and wall street investment of social security fund, eliminating Medicaid, Pell Grants, Stafford Loans, Alternate Renewable Energy Reinvestment Funds, (which means the tax credit for solar electric projects will go away), this list goes on an on, the guy is the perfect representation of what it is to be a right wing republican with a friendly smile and a cute family.
It's awesome and this pick is on par with the Palin pick, because it is followed by the familiar stench of desperation.
I wouldn't get too cocky about this. There are a lot more Bozos on This Bus than you may guess.
I already know what you think C, you call it cocky, but I call it confident. But the Ryan pick indicates that Romney's internals were extremely weak, and I am quite sure they are weak. That means he wasn't attracting the Republicans base to come out and vote for him. Internals are extremely important when it comes to running a campaign, they are much more important than the daily tracking polls we see because they are polling those folks registered with their party.
Romeny's selection of the head TBag, is laughable, it didn't work when McCain selected Palin and it won't work now. If he'd been very smart he would have chosen a serious politician like Kay Bailey-Hutchison, who women love, and who could have helped him navigate the system, but he didn't he doubled down on the "I think women aren't smart enough to make their own choices," this will work against Romney, big time. I am quite confident, just as confident as I was when McCain selected Palin, it's a good feeling.
Well, picking a 69-year-old as his running mate would have indeed been "bold" if not insane (reflect on how well 67-year-old Lloyd Bentsen helped Dukakis' campaign aside from 1 memorable debate soundbite, avoiding the laughable 69-year-old Adm. Stockwell's hearing aid).
Losing the Texas primary by 20+ points isn't very encouraging. Plus her pro-choice position violates a Romney pledge.
Re: Palin, presumably there's a difference between a 7-term US Congressperson and a <1/2 term Alaskan governor. While no law degree, a double major in economics & poli sci with congressional internships/staff positions might be better presidential preparation than a communications degree.
Ooh, a double major.
He had better options.
Really? Some village of 8000 in Wisconsin in need of an idiot too?
PS:
- LBJ, bachelors in teaching from SW Texas Teacher's College
- Carter - BS in Engineering from Annapolis
- Truman - no degree, 2 years law course
Suppose they also had better options ?
LBJ = won 2 of 3 statewide elections before nomination as VP, genuine contender for Presidential nomination, quickest rise to party leader i Senate history
Harry S Truman = won 2 of 2 statewide elections before nomination as VP, nationally known for heading the "Truman Committee" during WWII
Jimmy Carter = won 1 of 2 statewide elections before Presidential nomination
Paul Ryan= won 0 of 0 statewide campaigns before VP nomination
"Better options" would include state-wide office holders in swing states (Ohio, Virginia, Florida), who could deliver the state and be an asset to the ticket in other ways.
I think this was referring to lack of education, answering the insinuation that Ryan's double major wasn't up to say Clinton & Obama law degrees, presumably Bush MBA and Romney's joint Law/MBA.
Nevertheless, I have trouble seeing much difference between the work of Congresspeople and Senators, aside from a more diverse constituency.
(plus in Alaska, Delaware Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming and Vermont Congressional districts are state-wide positions)
Actually, I don't think anyone has referred to "lack of education" but you. Articleman's comment about "better options" is clearly not about education, nor is tmmac's preference for a politician like Kay Bailey Hutchinson. You are the only poster on the thread that I've seen talk about formal education at all, by talking about what Ryan majored in as an undergraduate.
Ryan isn't an idiot because he only has a bachelor's degree. He's an idiot because of his proposals. If he had a PhD in economics and made exactly the same proposals, that would make him an idiot. If we had an eighth-grade education and made the same proposals, those proposals would be just as idiotic but slightly more explicable.
Alan Keyes and Newt Gingrich have more formal education than Ryan, but they're not "better options." They, like Ryan, are idiots who've never won a statewide election. Sarah Palin is an idiot who *has* won statewide office, but flaked on it. "Better than Palin" is not exactly the gold standard here.
Bailey Hutchinson from Texas or McConnell from Virginia, just to name two off the top of my head, would have been better options than Ryan, not because those people have more letters after their names, but because they 1) have managed to win statewide campaigns, which aren't like national campaigns but a lot closer than running in just one-eighth of Wisconsin and 2) they haven't put their name to a manifesto full of radical lunatic plans.
As for some House seats that are statewide ... so what? We're talking about Ryan's seat, and Congressman from Wisconsin is NOT a statewide office, so talking about Wyoming is just a lot of
Something else that I hear...
It's often said Ryan's shown an ability to win in a largely Democratic state.
Apparently, his district has swung fairly Republican in recent times.
Please read again - I introduced it as a differentiator between Palin & Ryan,
A-Man responded with
"Ooh, a double major.
He had better options."
Which I wasn't sure whether was criticizing only Bachelor's level or what. If it's "clearly not about education", please let me in on the secret - English is only my first language, so sometimes I have difficulties.
Tmac's preference for Kay Bailey Hutchison is that she's the most liberal Republican out there - unsurprising she'd be more attractive to a Democrat, but also unsurprising she'd be passed over by the more and more conservative GOP. (she lost badly to Rick Perry, with a teabagger taking up another 20% of Texas vote). She's also 69, which seems an obvious down-side to a VP second-in-command. (I'm rather doubtful of Hillary in 2016 for same reason, though the woman is damn energetic)
You seem terribly convinced of your "statewide election" theory. You might remember that not all of us have same opinions, and AFAIK this isn't an FEC requirement. But I'm sure there's an internet injunction out there you can point me to.
Look, it is obvious when AMan wrote, "He had better options," the he, he is referring to is Romney, who had better options than to select Paul Ryan. And yes, since you brought up what you believe to be a major difference between Palin and Ryan is his double major, but to regular folk that is a difference without a distinction. English is also my first language, and I understood everything AMan wrote. So maybe it is you.
Ah yes, no distinction between an econ/poli sci background & a communications degree, no difference between mayor of Wasilla and 7 terms in Congress, no difference between newbie's debut at the convention vs. veteran with experience facing the President during health care debates. Romney should have chosen a 1/2 term Senator or a 69-year-old defeated has-been because he needs a woman to balance his chi, or the guy from Minnesota or someone with a state office or some other more liberal voting Republican to please Democrats. Guess it is me, you'uns too smart, can't keep up with this 11ty-dimensional chess and the rules of the road. Need a drink or a cup o' joe.
Yes, I was in an airport responding quickly, and did in fact mean that Romney had better options than a man about whom someone is saying in seriousness is impressive even in part because he had a double major. A double major is nice, and I wasn't suggesting that we need graduate educated Presidents. I was suggesting that it's an extraordinarily lame point to tout as a product feature for a President. Who knows, maybe he had a semester abroad too, or was in an academic honor society.
Of course it doesn't make him worse, it's just not something he'll likely raise or that he should.
There is of course some margin between being as qualified as Sarah Palin to be President, and qualified to be President.
Romney needs a leading charismatic Republican who could help him to rapidly put the country back on the path it was on after 8 years of GWB.
Ryan could do that, but I'm talking about a man who isn't afraid to get his hands dirty, Joe Wurzelbacher, a great pick for VP. I think Romney blew on a chance to really connect with The Base by passing up on Joe.
Nixon already had The Plumbers - would have been seen as a repeat.
But points for thinking out of the box.
As they say on SNL, Joe the Plumber is neither named Joe, nor a plumber. Discuss.
You nailed it - but are 10 nails necessary? Maybe for a $200 nail job??
I cannot believe that Romney would willingly give up Florida's electoral votes when there is practically no way he can win the White House without them. Where does he expect to get 270 EVs? The Dakotas??
Actually, the Dakotas trend very elderly. Ryan hurts there more too. Thanks for coming by.
Actually, western North Dakota is trending very young with the energy boom.
And western South Dakota has a young Native American demographic.
But eastern ND and SD remain elderly.
BTW - SD is the "other" Sunshine State.
While I have read about the Dakotas, and have a friend who used to camp there and has told me about it, they are among the eight or so states I've never visited. Thanks for coming back and making those points.
Your title is delicious. And just thank you so much. This dismal season is slowly turning better and your counting of the ways that yesterday turned the screw again ices the cake splendidly.
But as for # 10, in connection with Ryan, Paul Wolfowitz and the Project for the New American Century keep coming to my mind. It's been going on all day and I think my unconscious is onto something.
They're similar kinds of false prophets, whipping up fear and panic that something like the mythical end of days is upon us if we don't follow them over the cliff that's real and actually waiting in the place they want to lead us to.
He's another sky-is-falling Pied Piper, but I think (hope?) his tune this time won't sell. Oh yes, it plays for some, but for everyone who's already hurting and in need of help, and everyone who is right in their own mind, it's just too obvious that the war he wants to wage is on us.
Thanks for coming by, anna, long time.
Yesterday was a great day for sure, totally agree. Very sorry to hear you're thinking about Paul Wolfowitz. You should see someone about that.
I think Ryan is a lot like Walter Mondale in 1984, he's the teller of harsh truths as to things that will affect you. We'll both cut your Medicare, but I'll tell you before I etherize you! Good luck with that, Mitt/Mini-Mitt.
love "Mini-Mitt".
I couldn't believe I got a fundraising e-mail this morning from someone on the Obama team named Ryan (first name) after all the Ryan headlines, to raise money off Ryan. I bet Nolan Ryan will vote for Ryan.
As the Eagles might say to Romney, he can't hide/those Ryan ayes/though he tries/with a thin disguise/thought he'd not/want to lionize/there ain't no way to hide those Ryan ayes.
I'm sure you could come up with another ten! But, kudos for terrific, on point post.
I just read a piece where it attributes Romney saying Ryan was his own personal bold choice. Supposedly he's taking full credit (?) for making this decision. What do you think?
Romney logically deserves all credit and all blame for this decision. I do think it's bold. He emphasized ideological conservatism, which is against both conventional wisdom and what people thinking sympathetically toward his goals who I know thought he would do. So it is bold, and we should assess his judgment based on this.
Great job A but I reject the claim that the Ryan choice is "bold." Boldness equates to courageousness and strength of mind. Here, Romney pandered to his hard right base and most particularly the corporatist/fascists in his party whose policies reflect the narrow pecuniary interests of the richest and most powerful people in America. Acceding to the wishes of the .01% is not bold.
By your standard, surprise military attacks by an unjust nation cannot be bold. I'm not sure quite why that would be.
I am of the opinion that the republicans intend to steal this election. They are quite blatant about their cheats and that is why I think Paul Ryan is VP. They just need to be able to put up a good enough show to seem legitimate.
With what is going on with the id laws, purging, and now the example of Ohio having extended early voting on weekends and evenings in republican counties but no weekends and evenings in democratic leaning counties.
If you intend to steal the election it doesn't really matter who you pick for VP does it?
There was more language put out today talking up the pretense of our country being center right.
It looks to me like its just a marketing game to get the country to buy that their win could be legitimate in order to sell it when they do it...
We are talking about cheats that can take away the president's apparent lead.
And if people are overconfident that the president will win perhaps turnout will not be strong enough and/or people will not try hard enough to overcome the obstacles to voting.
There is a historic amount of 'blatant' cheating going on. And most of the people who will be affected have no clue and probably no idea what voter suppression is or what 'disenfranchise' means.
So do you really think that the president will win in spite of these issues?
I'm afraid we will all be taking it more seriously after the election...
Yes, from right here, I think it's likely about a 320-220, 52/47. I think if Romney picked someone less polarizing, he could hang closer. I still think a woman as qualified as Ryan would have been greatly preferable. Obama doesn't have to worry about the gender gap narrowing, and indeed, Ryan's voting record will hold it firmly in place.
It is nice how Ryan is so antigovernment and spent his whole career in it.
Okay so you are basically giving NO power whatsoever to all of the voter supression, purges, and dirty tricks... you think they won't affect things at all... I hope you are right but I can't see that right now...
We stand against voter suppression, but this shouldn't be that close. Still, three months ahead. Yes, voter suppression is a significant problem, I agree.
As always, I am in awe of your writing.
I keep thinking that with two advanced degrees from Harvard, Mitt must have had some sound reason to pick Ryan---other than adoration of his own mirror image. and monumental myopia within his campaign. Why would I be looking for some reason to give Romney the benefit of the doubt....oh, maybe that's it, sympathy play---he's losing, he can't be that dumb, I'll vote for him.
I'm waiting for someone to photoshop Ryan into the Bain group picture of the young turks making love to their money. Or maybe Ryan is already in the picture but he's so small, maybe even a fetus, you can hardly see him.
You're way too nice, thanks for reading, Oxy.
Ryan is not the mirror image of Romney, IMO. He's a longtime federal employee who relied on some of the very programs he wants to gut. I don't think Ryan would have done very well as a junior management consultant with Bibi Netanyahu and Willard Romney. Not up to that standard.
Very good point, not in their league.
But hang on a damned minute. Just saw Ryan's list of legislative achievements---in fact two bills in 13 years. One to rename a post office and the other to make technical changes in the IRS taxing of bows and arrows. Oh, and the Ryan Plan.
The point is, they totally renamed that post office. It is *so* renamed. You can't, like, rename it back or anything. So don't even try doing that. You can't. Just deal with it.
So if he *renames* Medicare something like Not What Medicare Used To Be, it's because he's good at renaming stuff.
Romney/Renamey '12. Woot.
What might be instructive is to full-heartedly write a screed "10 ways this helps Romney" (or 5 if too tough), and then re-visit your post.
I'm afraid Democrats are so eager to piss themselves with glee that they don't see the danger here.
And might I remind everyone that McCain-Palin only lost by 7.2% nationally - i.e. a swing of 3.6% would have changed the majority. Obviously electoral votes are more important (Dukakis lost by only 6.7%, Carter 9.7% while losing the electoral vote 300+ and 450+ respectively), but the mood of the electorate is very fickle and always easily divided.
And while this may seem off-topic, I think we get comforted in believing everyone thinks like us - the TSA is viewed by 67% of 18-29 year olds as doing a good to excellent job. For those who remember air travel without removing shoes, sex scans or having gonads groped, this seems incredible.
I remember being amazed in 1984 as I'd turned more liberal how classmates were turning more conservative.
In 2012, conservatives have been building the Paul Ryan view of government for over 3 decades. They think in lockstep, they're amazingly nimble and quick in filing every event within their model no matter how much they have to mangle facts.
For any who think Ryan will back down on Medicare or that the issue will hurt the GOP, here's his performance in front of Obama. If they fine-tune this message for ads, whatever the truth, it's going to be effective.
Here's "liberal" Chris Matthews enabling Ryan as Ryan plays his Jimmy Stewart/last honest man/both sides do it with-puppy-dog-eyes routine.
Here he is as Mr. Smith Goes to Washington/bobbing turtle head defending taxpayers against the government slush fund.
What you can see between Judd Gregg's and Paul Ryan's performances is that Ryan isn't abrasive like the rest - he's very civil with lots of "you're right's" and "I agree with you 100%" until he frames his views with devastating & misleading angles.
What you get is a presidential candidate half as bad as McCain and a VP candidate much better than Palin. McCain was older than dirt, past shelf-life, cranky, his main claim to fame was being tortured 30 years earlier and he seemed out of touch like H. W. Bush 20 years ago. Palin seemed as much a Museum Director or over-excited sports announcer as leader of the free world, and while she knocked some of her speeches out of the park, much was flat or counterproductive outside the base.
Romney-Ryan are the least visually embarrassing candidates from a long field, which may not be saying a lot, but there we are. Actually, it means more than that. The US electorate is primarily about impressions, and looking presidential is playing card #1. Romney & Ryan look the part, and for many folks, that's the whole interview.
While Romney was pretty successful in avoiding mistakes during the primaries, his latest trip abroad was full of missteps. Fortunately for him, most Americans in mid-summer probably missed this, but with continual gap between him and Obama and Bain/tax issues drawing some blood, a need for some new energy was obvious.
So what can happen between now and November? Unemployment unlikely to drop below 8%. GOP convention in 2 weeks will be huge Florida ad campaign. Food prices will drastically increase thanks to droughts. Gas prices may remain high thanks to Midwest and California refinery problems.
Expect Netanyahu to help out at least in Florida by stoking the Iranian "crisis" and other Jewish-leaning talking points (how much Florida Jews care, at least vs. Medicare security, remains to be seen).
Ryan will be fine-tuning his stump speech not to disown criticisms and freaky positions, but to double down. Unlike Palin, he doesn't need a Liza Doolittle makeover in the next few weeks - it's more converging the 2 platforms into 1, and since Romney's was always "I know how to business and I was for healthcare before I was against it, and America fuck yeah", it probably won't be that tough, given the right Etch-a-Sketch.
So to go through points:
1) it's not about 1 state anymore. Ryan solidifies conservative across board, but may push away non-tea-party independents. In Facebook age, more important to balance old/young demographics - Romney just old enough for seniors without being decrepit, though his worldview is stuck in late Cold War, while Ryan fits the Gen X/Gen Y crowd.
2) Florida quite possibly blown (it was tough to begin with, with Hispanic, Black vote, and losing Jewish bloc fatal) but will see how Ryan finesses Medicare talking point.
3) Playing gender gap would have been out-of-character, as Romney doesn't-know-who-he-is. In this case, he's solidly in the pro-business camp, his comfort zone forever. No drama Romney either.
4) Obama had the center. If I'm right (which I don't assume), Ryan will add the "anyman" support, bringing back say some bluecollars unhappy with Bain, taxes et al.
5) He listened to right-wing, not bloggers. With Ryan, they won't be holding their noses, but will instead open up the cash flow. Thanks to Citizens United, that flow can be massive, anonymous, and either tightly or tenuously linked to Romney-Obama. Instead they'll likely be pushing their position madness, and their advertising seems to be successful and influential. Look for next ad cycle in Florida to gauge.
6) I'm never sure if its GOP as a party or the conservative wing inside that party who has control. For the conservatives, their influence will go up, even if they lose the majority - they just seem to be good at hanging tough while denying reality.
7) It's unrealistic to expect Romney to be far ahead of Obama unless some huge scandal. Romney is within a few points of what anyone reasonable would have guessed 12 months ago - the President has the advantage. So this pick is not unusual, and frankly, anyone who was in the primaries fared pretty poorly (Pawlenty didn't even make it out of the gate in Iowa). Romney gets a bit more Clinton-Gore 2-for-1 energy out of this one. Whereas for McCain, Romney would have been rich ticket member #2, neither able to count all their houses.
8) Romney's still electable, but as expected, the race is close, though it kicks in seriously in September to really know. Frankly I think this choice is just a sense that the Republicans can and will say anything and it will form their "platform" - until it doesn't. For and against universal health care, for and against Medicare, for and against balancing the budget, for and against offshoring, for and against immigration. They've never been rightly punished for these paradoxes, and my guess is they still won't be. The US public is more polarized than ever, the "swing to the center for November" is no longer as true as it was. (The double-camel hump theory now inveighed)
9) Not sure yet whether Ryan will be saddled with House Tea Party ineffectiveness - he's always been the wonk who's providing "constructive" ideas, not the obstructionist. But you may be right.
10) Yada yada yada. Can't end a blog post without referencing Jerry Springer. Or the Simpsons. Doh!
Bonus 11) Useful to consider our own dull offerings in 2 previous races - Lieberman, Edwards. A couple of excitement points would have shifted the 2000 and 2004 elections. Instead we got dour half-conservative and a superficial hair-enthralled trial lawyer. Their careers afterwards are informative.
Thanks for reading and for commenting at length.
I don't discern five ways it helps Romney, either in reality or in the smaller slice of it you are presenting. I grant you, Ryan is handsome. Not sure I see far past that.
I think the point about the center (4) is key. The election is going to be won among independents, and Obama has taken a lead in the summer through defining Romney negatively. I think Romney is trying to define himself positively in a sense, but maybe in a narrow wonky sense, but he's not attacking the end-state problem -- his lower standing with independent voters and moderates.
I think people want their Medicare more than their Bibi, but that's just me projecting. I don't care much about either of the two in my personal life.
I think the fact that it's not about one state is also true and key. I think Ayotte cut across all the states. I think Ryan does, but not in a way Romney should want.
I did think about that stupid TSA poll when I went through airport security today. I declined to mention to the TSA people that they have a 54/41 fav/unfav. Clearly, Romney should have picked a TSA worker for Veep. It's all about Gallup polls...
I know you were gunning for Ayotte, but I think her 2 years as Senator is awfully mild experience and invites unflattering reminders of Palin, and her stint as AG is marred with some pretty tough scandal (not that execution grandstanding hurt Hucklebee, but he didn't mass-delete public records)
I expect the GOP to flip Medicare - after all, Obama accepted the need to cut Medicare, so like the old joke about "would you sleep with me for a million bucks", now we're just dickering over the price.
Mostly I think the GOP effort will revolve around massive SuperPAC funding, heavy voter disenfranchisement and chutzpah-laden balls-out lying. From face value, Ryan should be damaged goods except for this.
But the party is purging moderates. Instead of Ayn Rand, I see 1984 with memory tubes, re-education and 2+2=5.
I think there will be a place for TSA in this brave new world.
While I understand the suggestion that the GOP will flip Medicare arguments, that only works on FDL. They lose their comparative advantage by claiming Obama would treat it as they would, and to most Americans, that's too counterfactual. As you correctly allowed above, they ceded the center to Obama. They can't be protectors of Medicare or at parity as the Von Ryan Express.
Oddly enough, they're trying just that - that Obama's medicare efforts are double-counting subsidies and ponzi schemes, while Ryan saves it by shrinking it.
Since the "liberal" media never fact checks or tries to understand this stuff, there's a better than middlin' chance he'll get away with it.
Your favorite Glenn Greenwald dissects the gap between Ryan in theory and Ryan in real life. Kinda like that McCain as "straight-shooter" myth that was so pervasive.
Hasn't there been a longstanding edge for Democrats as to which party members of the public trust on health care more, and more specifically to protect Medicare? Has Obama's stance on Medicare coincided with appreciable change in those numbers over the last year, say? I haven't looked around for public opinion polls on that--perhaps some here have, or have links to the work of others who have, as these are obvious questions the choice of Ryan raises for the election outcome. I'm sure there will be polls on questions along those lines that we will start to see reported within a week and probably right on up to the election.
I don't know, it seems to me Ryan is so heavily identified--probably more easily portrayable as such than any sitting federal officeholder--as an enemy of Medicare already. Whereas Obama much less so if at all.
The GOP and right will have an unbelievable amount of money available to try to change perceptions on that with their ad barrage through the election but I'm not at all sure they'd be able to move enough people on that issue prior to November. I don't think I'd be feeling chipper if I were king of the GOP and right wing ad campaigns and budgets and got handed the ball yesterday with a pat on the back, saying "Ok, this election is ours--all you have to do is get us to a draw on the health care and preserving Medicare issues."
Again, Karl Rove mode - "attack them on their strengths" - who thought Kerry would be vulnerable as war hero? Rove turned a preacher building orphanages into a pedophile. How fast did ACORN collapse? Gore slammed for his own legislation on the internet, after pushing NSFNET, High Performance Computing, Information Superhighway?
I don't assume it will be easy to do, but I sure won't be surprised if they succeed. And the conservatives are in this for the long haul - if they don't beat up Medicare this cycle, they'll chip away at it again next one.
You nailed it. More Americans think Obama is too liberal than think he is too conservative, our Obama-disliking readers notwithstanding.
That is the reason you can't sell the nation on that Obama is really functionally equivalent to Paul Ryan. Most of the people who take that argument seriously are actually going to vote for Obama, humorously enough.
The Democratic brand has been creating and protecting entitlement programs. I get the critique being mounted, but I do not understand why those who mount this critique might think (a) the American people might come to generally share it (b) in the context of an issue argument in which the Republican position is that Obama is too attached to these programs and can't be trusted to downsize them properly. The argument doesn't run like the critique wishes it would.
One could as well suggest that Romney will attack Obama on detainee policy. The whole point of being Romney is to be to the right of Obama on these issues, not to tell everyone Obama's got it nailed and is doing the Weekly Standard's bidding.
Not sure if you caught 60 Minutes last night for the first Romney/Ryan tag team interview, which was most helpfully sandwiched between the PGA Tournament and a 60 Minutes segment on longtime unemployed 99ers some as much as 3-4 years who were helped by a private/charitable program that enabled them to find new work after years of subsisting on government benefits and no work options sapped their self esteem. (Someone on Romney's media team deserves a bonus for that happy coincidence).
In a section not aired, Ryan turned on the puppy dog eyes and said he was trying to save Medicare, not destroy it. On air Romney touted the bipartisan recognition that Medicare had to change and said they were being honest about it and would be putting plans on the table. Romney/Ryan will be running on the fact that changes are need for Medicare and deficit reduction, but at least they are being honest and upfront about their plans. This is not like Mondale saying Reagan will raise taxes with no factual basis for that statement.
You really think people don't realize Obama used Medicare cuts that could have been used to shore up medicare to instead shore up his Health Insurance Subsidy Act? You really think outside groups are going to give Obama a pass on his regret at not being able to pass a grand bargain to cut Medicare and Social Security? You really think that people will be dumb enough to not notice even Nancy Pelosi is on board with backing whatever entitlement cuts Obama orders her to make?
I don't think Obama gets to run as an incumbent president without serious actual plans rather than just vague slogans because he lacks the leadership to say what he will support if elected. But sure this election is now a slam dunk for Obama since he's now running against Paul as VP. The DNC running a national campaign against Paul Ryan was so successful for them in 2010. Let's do it again.
You wrote:
Umm this makes no sense, the President is an incumbent president, you know because he is President. The vague slogan thing, is just another thing you've made up in your mind, because for some reason ODS is eating you alive. Oh and what is a serious actual plan, the one Romney-Ryan have to end Medicare and make is a voucher program.
Hahahahaha, okay.
Obama has publicly laid out the specific cuts to Medicare that he supports and is campaigning on specific plans? Do tell. And link to information rather than your usual ODS blather would be helpful. Romney's plan indicates he supports raising the Medicare age and for the high end earners, adjusting the benefits. Which is exactly what Obama was privately backing in Simpson-Bowles but will not publicly stand behind because he wants to use Medicare as a wedge issue while being committed to doing the same cuts the GOP will.
You want subversive? Here's your subversive.
What does this even mean in relation to what I wrote about Obama's willingness to cut Medicare? Do you have a point to make or is it let's just post irrelevant link day?
Oh, pardon me. I thought you were looking for Obama's actual plans for health care. I thought you might be interested in how Medicare recipients would be (and, in fact, already are) protected by Obama's plan (Obamacare?) I thought you might want to compare this plan with the Ryan/Romney plan--whatever that is.
Guess not.
And here I was thinking health care reform and how it benefits current seniors has diddly squat to do with Medicare entitlement cuts for future retirees that Obama wanted AFTER health care reform was already law. Those entitlement cuts that he's not willing to make public with specific proposals. You are most assuredly excused.
Where is your information coming from?
Perhaps if I type more slowly, you can understand what I am saying.
I. Am. Not. Talking. About. The. 700. Billion. In. Cuts. As. Part. Of. ACA.
I. Am. Talking. About. Obama's. Attempt. At. A. Grand. Bargain. And. Entitlement. Cuts. For. Future. Retirees.
I get my information from the President's own words and actions. Remember this?:
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2011/07/11/Obama-Makes-Last-Ditch...
I sure as hell do, and that guy has zero credibility on protecting Medicare from cuts for future retirees.
Medicare spending is so unsustainable, but as part of ACA Obama expands Part D coverage for current retirees so they stop griping about death panels and make the legislation more politically palatable. If it's so unsustainable, here's a clue. Stop expanding coverage to current retirees beyond what is promised for a few political points while throwing future retirees under the bus.
And also, see: http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/in-debt-talks-obama-offers-social-security-cuts/2011/07/06/gIQA2sFO1H_story.html .
Are you suffering from election year amnesia where you get to pretend the president wasn't actually advocating for this crap or are you that intellectually dishonest?
Last year's news, Dij. Lots of stuff blowing in the wind then, with nothing landing anywhere. Are you deliberately ignoring Romney's lies in favor of pushing something Obama may have thrown out there, along with a few hundred other ideas, but didn't do?
Love how you resort to low blows and name calling when you have nothing else. If Romney wins, he and Paul Ryan will work to destroy ACA and everything good accomplished so far. That's their promise. Hard to obfuscate something so despicable. In fact, it can't be done.
It's a low blow to what? Call you out for obfuscating the issue by throwing around meaningless diversions that have nothing to do with the president's expressed interest in entitlement reform? I was name calling exactly where? I am vewwy vewwy sorry your poor feelings have been hurt by facts and stuff, and my refusal to have a point derailed by your non sequiturs.
Sure, I have nothing to rely on but the fact that the president is pushing for entitlement cuts. Romney's campaign is lying about Obama's proposals for welfare to work waivers. No question. They are being truthful about his Medicare cuts being partially used to fund ACA. Beyond the fact if you need to reform a plan, why expand benefits for current retirees further. Beyond the fact that these fictive "savings" are double counted as PP notes below, a president who diverts savings from Medicare that could be used to extend the program even longer to instead
subsidize health insurancecompanies fund ACA is not strengthening Medicare. After the ACA passed "strengthening Medicare", Obama came out in the very next SOTU to say he wanted to pivot to deficit reduction and entitlement spending. He's on record with his grand bargain as noted above. He has zero credibility on the issue.Getting too skinny over here so I'll post down below for better readability.
Ramona,
This is interesting and with good facts too:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/difference-between-paul-ryan-...
Thanks, Aunt Sam. Well worth reading. The differences are stark. And again--Romney lies.
The whole op-ed is worth reading -
And Erskine Bowles, Democratic head of Obama's Simpson-Bowles committee, is once again saying raising Medicare age to 67 is necessary - which obviously is a big benefits cut to those 65 and 66.
So much for Democrats defending Medicare, keepers at the Gates of Vienna.
Thanks, missed the McKayla meme real-time, most fun I've had since Angie's left leg. McKayla for 2nd VP?
LOL! Don't think McKayla the age threshold yet, but Angie's left leg would be a vast improvement over the current options :)
Fuck it - left leg and right leg together -
Bi-partisanship, no?
Though some will say the right leg's not right enough
and the left leg's stepped way overboard.
I think people who pay some attention to public affairs know some of the facts of which you wrote re Obama and Pelosi on SS and Medicare. I'm not sure how much of the electorate is aware of those facts and I'd be astonished if the Romney campaign and supporters do not highlight whatever they can in that regard as you are doing here. To the degree they succeed, and to the degree that that ends up reducing the votes advantage many of us voting for Obama see as a very possible outcome of Ryan's spot on the GOP ticket, Obama has only himself to blame for this.
It seems easy enough to envision another scenario, though, one that also would seem to favor Obama. Perceptions on many of the "which party do you trust more on issue/issue concerns X?" have taken a long time to build up and do not usually change overnight or over a short period of time. To the degree that the longstanding preference of voters for the Democratic party as the better bet to protect Medicare and do a better job on health care has continuing validity, why wouldn't you think that, if both parties are going to end up saying that changes to these programs to reduce costs need to be made, more voters would trust Obama and the Democrats than the Republicans to do this in ways that don't hurt end beneficiaries?
So if the debate turns out to be more sharp-edged, the protectors of Medicare vs. those who would dismantle the program, that would seem to favor Obama. If it turns out to be a more nuanced debate, with both sides agreeing on the need for changes in the program, the longstanding trust advantage Democrats have had on Medicare and health care generally would seem to suggest more voters would trust Obama to do that right, in a way that doesn't hurt beneficiaries, than would trust Romney/Ryan.
The last paragraph is correct, and if there is a more unfavorable fight for them to pick, I am not sure what it would be. Campaigning vaguely against deficits and suggesting they will ruin programs would work better, IMO.
Yes, George W Bush having skipped out on his National Guard duty would be insane to attack John Kerry on his war record. Quack quack oops.
Looking forward to SuperPAC money having to create fake videos saying Obama cut medicare. Quack quack oops again.
Amazing what 5 seconds of Googling Youtube can find. Missed a career in opposition research. More here, the general liberal blowup in July 2011 here. Or Obama stating "modest cuts for Medicare" here.
Think I can't pull a scare campaign out of this?
Obama tried to be "bi-partisan", and it's going to blow up in his face.
Of course Democrats have done so well in pinning the financial meltdown on Bush, so well in these splitting the baby arguments over health care that they got butchered in 2010 mid-terms.
So we'll see how well they fight back against Ryan spin this time.
It's actually remarkable how many people continue to blame the economy on Bush and events occurring before Obama was President. It's all so oddly factual.
The third party attacks on Kerry's war record are not analogous to your idea that Romney can indoctrinate people that Obama and not he will gut Medicare. Defining the challenger is vastly easier; the President is already defined.
Meanwhile, per Gallup, the Ryan pick has less favorable reaction than any in the modern era, and a higher proportion of folks rating it fair or poor than one ever sees. Only 39 percent think he's a good pick, so he starts off with a pretty small audience listening to the spin you anticipate being so formidable.
It's fairly amazing how many people forgot about Bush's economy 3 months after Obama was president. Obama should have hung that around Bush's neck like a deadweight anchor.
Re: Medicare, it's not quite indoctrination - Obama accepted the need to cut and discussed raising eligibility, though was hoping for major quid pro quo. But once he laid himself open for this, he's a bit tarnished, and yes, already defined, someone who treated Ryan's Medicare suggestion seriously a year ago. I was aghast at the time, and apparently not the only one.
Don't really care how 1000 people see Ryan at this point - Palin was dead weight after September, and popular Lieberman and Edwards were no big help for Democratic campaigns. This poll is mostly "how many people were watching news rather than Olympics/Bourne movie/tanned bodies on the beach". After the conventions we'll get serious.
And none of this means I think Ryan is a successful pick or that they'll succeed in the Medicare reverse. I'm simply pointing out it's more dangerous than those on the left believe at first glance. Ryan's not a newbie, but maybe just maybe someone from the press will do some research or ask a tough question or followup, and he'll fall down. Crazier things have happened.
Well here's to rooting for an uninformed electorate. I swear the Democrats become more like the Republican party every single day.
Interesting. In terms of approval after the pick, Ryan's positives shot up particularly with senior citizens.
I don't think Ryan's positions on Medicare automatically means Florida is now in the Democratic bank or seniors are going to bolt en masse for Obama. They both acknowledge Medicare spending is unsustainable and the program needs to be changed. It makes Obama look weak and cowardly to attack someone with actual proposals on the table and not provide any of his own.
Do you believe Ryan would end Medicare as we know it by voucherizing it, if he could, and work to move us in that direction if he could not get that done right away? Do you support that? Do you think voters who believe that he would are unreasonable to think so?
Ryan's voucher plan is certified cray, just like his privatization plan for social security. But he's not running for president, he's running for VP.
Romney's public plan for Medicare that he is running on has laid out raising the Medicare age and sliding scale of benefits for wealthy/high income folks as options. That's exactly what Obama was ready to give away as part of his "grand bargain" with Boehner. There's not a dime's worth of difference between Obama's solution and Romney's solution, except Obama wants minimal tax increases for the wealthy so he can pretend this is a "grand bargain" even though Democrats are giving 90% and the GOP meets us 10% of the way.
Obviously I don't support cuts to Medicare, but there's no major party left that will actually stand for protecting it. I think there'll be a heavy political cost to pay for whoever succeeds in doing it. I'd prefer it not be the Democratic party which would never again be credibly seen as the party to protect entitlement spending or the middle class.
But why should those of us who would deplore the destruction of Medicare support the election to the White House of a ticket that would do it away with it if it could, and in any case would as a result be better positioned to push the envelope as far as possible in the direction of weakening the program (including through Executive branch measures it can implement unilaterally, without necessarily bringing Congress into the mix), with the aim of voucherizing it eventually? Isn't this the formula for destroying large, overwhelmingly popular programs? Make them worse and worse incrementally over time until they become lousy programs which no one cares any more about protecting?
When you find a candidate running for President who has demonstrated commitment to protecting Medicare, let me know. Until then, what I see is a Democratic President who has already said he's committed to Medicare cuts and will face zero opposition from even liberal Dems like Pelosi on his proposals. I see a GOP presidential candidate who will proposes the same Medicare cuts Obama would back, but will be opposed by liberals. The Ryan voucher plan has zero chance in hell of passing and is not even on the table.
The Romney Medicare Plan is a voucher plan with one option being buying into "traditional" Medicare.
It's really, in essence, the Ryan-Wyden Plan.
That Washington Post-ABC poll you quote is garbage, dijamo. The total post-announcement sample was 522, which means a margin of error of 4 or 5 percentage points. Of that, what number would be senior citizens? One hundred? For that smaller sample, expect a margin of error of about 10 points, 19 times in 20. Meaningless.
The video of Ryan and Obama at the square table was powerful. He comes across as someone who's done his homework and knows what he's talking about.
The biggest counter to his plans is that we are in a time of financial insecurity, and people will be reluctant to give up "the little" they can count on now for some future benefit.
"Maybe when the economy improves more..."
But in general, I think you make a good point about not counting chickens or getting too jiggy...
One thing liberals have a hard time with (maybe conservatives, too) is feeling or empathizing with the power of their opponents' arguments with voters. We discount their power because we don't agree with them.
Thanks, I think that sums up my main point.
One of the fascinating things (for me) about this video is the way Ryan shifts about 2/3 of the way through...
He's laying out point after point about the mathematics of the proposed plan and why the numbers don't add up.
If this were a normal conversation, one would expect him to move to ways the proposal should be changed or adjusted to resolve the problems...or, sticking with the numbers, why we "just can't get there from here."
But instead, he shifts in his summary to an ideological point: "We don't think the government should be involved in running health care. We should let the people handle it." This conclusion doesn't follow logically from everything he's just laid out--but he thinks it does or wants to persuade others it does.
As if the people (individuals left to their own devices) had any idea how to solve the monumental fiscal problem he's just laid out! Or any capacity to solve the problem.
This is conservatives' biggest failing. They worry, perhaps rightly, perhaps not, about the government's balance sheet and how it's going to pay for "all this."
But their solution isn't to reduce costs (which would mean even more meddling in the private sector) but to off-load the costs onto individuals's "balance sheets" where they won't show up publicly, but only as a statistic (e.g., number of people who can't afford insurance) if at all.
So we end up with a tight public ship, but lots of anonymous misery that no one can really see. And the individual, experiencing this misery amidst the swirl of events and circumstances buffeting his personal life, is likely to blame himself for his situation instead of the macro economics.
Or maybe worse, congratulate himself on his industriousness and smarts if he avoids the problem. "Why can't everyone do as I do? It's easy! Of course, life isn't fair and no one said it would be."
Yes, it is fascinating, but first, I don't trust his numbers - I'm sure he's playing the "Social Security bankrupt in X years" which we know is nonsense, and he of course ignores say the defense spending that could more than make up for this.
Second, he has no intention of helping to solve the problem because he's fundamentally opposed.
So it's a "let's sit down and work it out" mixed with "take a hike". First side for public marketing, 2nd side for his base. And as Greenwald shows, Ryan's continually voting against his "principles", just not when a Democrat's involved.
The public (me!) is at a huge disadvantage when it comes to "auditing" the numbers these guys spout.
So yes, I agree, I think you're almost certainly right, but I can't tell you where he forgot to carry the one.
In this case, he seems to be most concerned with "double counting" certain savings--will they be used to reduce the deficit or fund certain other parts of the plan?
One "tell" on the accuracy of his numbers is, as you say, the fact that he has no intention of helping to solve the problem.
Unfortunately for the Ryan advocates, we don't do cross-debate, where the President has a turn against the Veep designate, and vice versa. Fewer people watch the Veep debate, and there is usually only one. Maybe with Ryan, they'll ask for more.
Excellent comparison and contrast between Articleman's original and yours !
I think Romney is banking on amassing smaller states in lieu of larger states. It's one thing to garner the bigger, populated states with more electoral college votes, but you can lose if you run short by a few votes that a single, less populated state would give you. For instance, if Gore had carried Nevada in 2000 ... 4 electoral votes ... Florida recount would not had mattered.
And those less populated states are eassier to manipulate as well. On top of that, they're the bed of the christian right, NRA, farmers, ranchers, miners and other types normally not found in the big cities. And they're of the opinion the government works against them, not for them.
So I suspect the minority groups Romney has shunned was done for a reason ... they aren't part of middle America he's focused on.
The question is ... can Herman and Eddie Munster ... I mean Romney and Ryan [seriously ... they look identical] ... work the red states hard enough to secure a tight hold on them and deny Obama access? If so, they could win by a single vote.
You'd think folks who venerate the Constitution would prefer a Virginia to a Delaware strategy.
Am spending time this week with an expert on Diebold voting machines. I will ask him about your and other similar thoughts.
just seems to be a natural methodology to garner support in smaller states with less population density that hold hard feelings about the role of government in their lives. the fewer people you have to win over, the less time you haave to spend campaigning and little numbers add up in the long run. And as I said, if Gore had been able to garner a single state more with only a few electoral votes, it would have put him over the top and Florida wouldn't have mattered.
And I forgot to add how much I loved these lines:
Yep I couldn't agree with these three sentences more, especially "People are forever passing forward bromides about how what their team really needs is a more obdurately advanced, rigidly inflexible, dogmatic embodiment of their sides position."
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, it isn't how to win an election.
We're all set to test the Smartypants Blogger Hypothesis. Oh, and the, SuperPACs beat Field Offices theory. But I'm not as smart as Bill Kristol or Rich Lowry.
Thank God.
Alas, you just don't see it. Billy is brilliant. I just saw him explaining that Ryan is gonna bring the Hillary supporters to Romney. I'm guessing that Ryan's fetal personhood bill is the attraction. Granting a fetus citizenship at the moment of fertilization was always important to the large number of fanatical anti choice women supporting Hillary.
Maybe fetal citizenhood will hold down those anchor babies, since their citizenship will be determined at conception.
But yes, it's Kristol clear -- the 20 point gender gap will shrink before Ryan. Just like it would have were Santorum the Veep. You betcha.
Irony within irony that is ironically called 'irony'.
"His [Reagan's] great legacy was, ironically, propelling us into an era of unsustainable budgets".
"Unsustainable" deficits may be attributable to Reagan but they are not his legacy. Whether convenient or not for Obama as well as everyone who thinks he is preferable to Romney, the economy is the great concern of those who will decide the election. As part of handicapping the horse-race, knowing that so many misunderstand who did what, and what were the affects, does not change the fact that voters have perceptions that are not easily changed. The perceptions of Reagan's worshipers is important because of how it affects their perceptions of things happening now. It will help pre-condition them to agree with the deficit hawks. Democrats and others who can be expected to vote Democratic don't much think about Reagan one way or another when looking at today's situation and how to vote to improve that situation or even to just hold as much ground as possible. But, they are worried and most [I believe] agree with Ryan and other Republicans that deficits are a severe drag on the economy. More importantly, they agree with you that the deficits we are running are unsustainable. Which side is pushing this idea hardest with a pledge and a plan to deal with it? Which direction do you expect this belief to push people's decision?
So far, I do not see picking Ryan as a big negative to Romney's chances. Maybe it is a Hail-Mary long ball but games get won that way. We will have seen it happen more than once on the America's real important game, NFL football, by the time voting booths open. I agree with PP's caution which he explains well down below.
"And now you are going to get it, by 5 or more points, and more than 100 electoral votes".
If you have so much confidence in that prediction you can go to Intrade and make better than three to one by investing in it. They have Obama well ahead to win but they give the chance of getting 320 or more electoral votes at 22.5 percent.
Intrade really nailed that Supreme Court decision on health care, except for being wrong.
The Intrade markets for President consistently have Romney running stronger than the Nate Silver model, because it's affinity betting. It's why the Cubs always have absurdly low odds to win the World Series (it should be criminal to take any such money, given the absolute impossibility there, of course).
My assessment may strike you as bullish, but Nate has Obama at +3%, RCP average at +4%, and the national polls have recently trended higher. All I really did was take the present likelihood of winning Ohio and throw Florida on top. That gets you into the 330 ballpark. So it may sound cocky, it's very close marginally to where it models today by most lights except Bill Kristol's.
But no, I don't bet on stuff like this.
Thanks for this essay, Articleman. I am not counting my chickens, but the Ryan choice gives me hope that we MAY be able to overcome the new voter registration laws, fewer voting hours, obscene amounts of GOP money pouring in from the super wealthy, and far lefties who don't want to vote for Obama. Hopefully the potential for a Ryan Presidency (let's don't forget that Romney merely has enough digits to sign off on everything the House wants) scares them enough to hold their noses and vote for Obama in spite of their disappointment in him. Same with the few true Indies that are left out there, and maybe some seniors thrown in for good measure.
Most folks have made up their mind about Obama. Most have about Romney, but fewer. So this election continues to be a replay of 2004, with more money being spent all around. I don't think you can Swiftboat an incumbent who everyone already knows. Been telling the haters that for a year, and they don't like to hear it, but the poll numbers so far are supporting that theory.
So yes, let's not count chickens lest they come home to roost. But right now, it's looking good, and from the last jobs report to Romney's European Tour de Farce to Ryan, the President has been on a roll.
Excellent article !!!
I like how you've laid out the talking points ... very effective! Very well articulated ,and easy to follow and understand. But I suspect Romney and Ryan aren't too concerned.
I've noted Romney doesn't care too much about what people think. For example, he resents people questioning him ... just accept what he says and assume it's fact.
I also suspect the Ryan selection may be a political trojan horse. While every one is jumping for joy because they believe Romney made a severe poliical error he can't recover from, I suspect there may be something running under the radar ... Romney is known to be extremely secretive in his actions and what he wants the public to know.
We may get a glimpse during their convention where they're planning to go and once the Democatic convention is over and both he and Obama start the final slug fest, I suspect they'll tip their hand. The last few weeks of the campaign might not be enough time for Obama to counter.
The campaign season had barely begun when the Obama team let it be known that they had wrote off Indiana. I am not surprised they did, even though Obama won here in 2008. So I was a little surprised to see Obama running a number of commercials here attacking Romney (and almost no ads from Team Romney). My guess is they hope to keep it close enough to force Romney's team to have to spend money and time in Indiana.
For the reasons outlined in your blog, the Ryan choice just made it more likely Romney will have to spend some of his time courting Hoosiers. The conservative Dems and independents in depressed manufacturing areas of the state are not going to be more endeared to Romney with Ryan on the ticket. This is especially true I believe for those who are pro-union - many of whom are retirees or just about ready to retire. Some of these folks might have taken a chance with Romney, or at least be willing to give him a chance to make his case, but Ryan reinforces the notion that Romney is about the rich and not the little guy who has been laid off because his factory was shut down or scaled back.
Like Ohio, a lot of Indiana was dependent or heavily reliant on the auto industry, and have suffered a lot of economic pain in the last fifteen years. Obama's saving of Detriot plays big here, including with the fiscal conservative Republican business community. In a way, Romney picking Ryan is a way of Romney saying, "I'd have let Detroit go bankrupt and I'll do it again."
All of this is not enough to hand Indiana to Obama, but I suspect it will tighten the race here, esp when combined with the tight race for Lugar's seat in the Senate between Donnelly and Mourdock.
One other facet of Ryan which could become a factor is he in the end a policy wonk. I haven't seen him in action on the campaign trail, just the talking heads shows, and it kind of makes me think Biden might come out on top in a debate format.
The reasoning here is that Romney's biggest issue right now is that he is being defined as a rich guy who not doesn't get the struggling worker, but also doesn't care about he struggling worker (or worker looking for a job). Ryan going on about numbers on a budget spreadsheet isn't going to make those workers feel like Romney/Ryan ticket "feels their pain."
In other words, a worker who is basically asking the question - which guy is going to be looking out for me? - I think Biden definitely has the upper hand. Ryan is I think will be to a inside-the-beltway mirror image of Romney's corporate executive, with the corresponding approach to cutting jobs for short-term profits/budget cuts.
Ryan is in a win-win situation. After the election he will either be vice-president or he will be a representative in Congress with a powerful position. I think he will be campaigning harder for the number one spot in 2016 than for the number two this time around. If the outcome looks obvious for an Obama win when v-day draws near I would not be surprised to see him go 'rogue' and push way harder than Romney would like him to advance support for his whako right-wing economic policy. Build his cred for the next time. His biggest institutional and corporate supporters have long term goals that don't change with any individual loss and he will likely be more loyal to them than to a soon-to-lose Romney. He knows his turn is coming.
I'm not willing to concede at the outset, on day 3 since he was chosen, that Ryan comes out of this campaign a bright light and a major hope/threat for 2016. Let's see how he and Romney do out on the campaign trail going forward.
Much of Ryan's future may depend on whether what is in fact extreme, radically right wing, and deeply unpopular, and not what most people think of as "conservative", will end up being widely perceived as such by the electorate--and if so, how much of that ends up sticking to Ryan if Obama wins by a healthy margin. Or, alternatively, whether radical right-wing economic policy gets seen by the end of this campaign as less scary--with a chance to come to be seen as "mainstream" enough over time to win presidential elections, which is one of the right-wing's longer-term agenda items.
In a sense, radical right-wing economics already could be seen now as "mainstream" because one of our major political parties has embraced, in the clearest and most visible way yet, this philosophy whole hog. With the corollary that the way it gets de-mainstreamed and marginalized is by being discredited and rejected resoundingly at the polls, most likely over several election cycles given the enormous power advantages the right-wing has built up in shaping public opinion on economic policy questions. Many long-time committed Republicans will not necessarily notice that their party is no longer the conservative party they thought it was and embraced for that, but has evolved into something very different, quite radical and extreme. George Will, for one, seems not to have noticed this. His column on Ryan was titled, perhaps not by him, something like "Romney now speaks conservative". No. Romney now speaks radical fringe. If he speaks anything at all.
I wasn't so much making a prediction about what will actually happen but was describing what I speculate Ryan's motives, intentions, and loyalties to be. Some extremely big changes could happen anytime, very possibly before the election, and almost surely will happen before four more years pass.
re to dijamo's 8/13 10:51 pm comment above
From the WashPost article you linked to:
I remember being extremely upset on these reports last summer of what Obama was said to have put on the table on SS and Medicare.
Yet I don't find it implausible to interpret his willingness to talk SS and Medicare cuts as something he a) had very strong reasons to believe the GOP would not accept, given that he was insisting on revenue increases as part of the deal, but that would help him with public opinion by making the GOP appear more intransigent, leading to the GOP eventually relenting on the debt ceiling extension; and b) thought he would be able to avert in the future.
Obama was naive about the depths to which the GOP would resort to achieve its budget aims, and was caught off guard when his opponents pushed him and the country in the way they did. Once he found himself in that situation he had to find some way out, with the clock ticking, to prevent a default. I don't think that necessarily means he is unreliable on SS and Medicare. It means that in the hothouse that was last summer's debt ceiling fiasco, he put what he judged to be the overall health of the economy ahead of protecting SS and Medicare benefits from any cuts, while hoping to avert both a default on the debt and those cuts. As he did.
Your response to what happened is to put people willing to run the country all the way off the cliff in the WH? On the theory that congressional liberals would then stop them? House liberals, if the GOP keeps the House majority, will have zero ability to block SS and Medicare cuts, or voucherization of either program for that matter, if that is what the Republican majority wants to do. You're feeling as though House Republicans are not a real radical bunch, they'd never do something like that? That may be as naive about the Republicans as Obama was in misreading what they might be willing to do on the debt ceiling issue.
So you would want to bet the ranch that Senate Dems, holding, let's say, a razor thin majority permitting no more than 1 or 2 defections max, would block SS or Medicare benefit cuts? And what if the electorate doesn't ticket split so much and votes in not only Romney/Ryan but a GOP majority in the Senate? What's the plan in that scenario to avert benefit cuts? I would guess the chances of benefit cuts both sought and achieved for at least one or the other of SS/Medicare in that latter scenario--very possibly the scenario we will get if your desires on the presidential race turn out to be realized--to be at least 50/50.
Obama doesn't do many head feints, and his poker skills are nil.
After 4 years, can't you recognize when he says he's interested in option b, he's interested in option b?
The whole Simpson-Bowles committee was packed in a way to put everything on the table, including even Social Security (which isn't overspending, and isn't an entitlement) and of course Medicare. With few on the committee defending them, certainly not D-Bowles.
Until now I had not known that among your talents, PP, is an ability to read minds. I've never referred to, or thought of, Obama, as 12 moves ahead of his opponents or whatnot. But I think your view of him is dismissive of plausible alternative interpretations. To acknowledge he has made mistakes does not make the case that he is a uni-dimensional thinker as you seem to think.
Here, you seem to dismiss out of hand the possibility--a possibility, I am not saying this is "correct", but you do not even seem to recognize it--that given the GOP's intransigence on even a canyon-sized definition of "raising revenues", Obama believed that Simpson-Bowles, given its composition and authority, would fail to have policy impact, but that he needed to demonstrate attentiveness to the deficit issue. Pelosi, who has been bashed by dijamo on this, was among those who came out against the Commission's initial proposal.
I do personally worry that Obama would throw his support to a large deficit-reduction deal that included benefit cuts to SS and/or Medicare--IF the Republicans were to agree to real and major revenue increases as part of the package. (I judge the latter to be exceedingly unlikely. If the GOP continues to reject new revenues Obama broadens his political support for not being perceived as the intransigent and inflexible party on deficit reduction. But he runs the risk of having his bluff called, if a bluff it is.) I submit that neither of us knows whether that is the case or not.
On many other issues as well as this one, Obama has taken pains to try to walk a line between the progressive and the self-described "centrist" elements in Congress. (The "center of gravity" in Congress is well to the right of public opinion, as has long been the case. Doc Cleveland referred to "two centers" in his excellent post a few days ago; Paul Pierson and Jacob Hacker's book Off Center, and Benjamin I. Page's books Class War? and The Foreign Policy Disconnect offer suggestive documentation on this as well.) He's been trying to please, or at least show responsiveness, to both those who have wanted more fiscal stimulus and those urging him to focus on deficit reduction.
I certainly get the politics behind that approach, but, as I've written here often going back several years now, I think his overall approach and decisions have left him unnecessarily vulnerable on the jobs issue in particular. (Not for the first time, the best thing the Democrats seem to have going for them is over-reaching, extreme Republicans. Neither side seems likely to win this election; rather it has more the look, as DanK put it, of an "inauspicious" contest to see which party will lose it.) At the elite levels there remains a continuing, relentless drumbeat for a major focus on short-term reduction now. I doubt anyone in the WH would feel able to ignore that entirely, bad policy as it almost surely would lead to.
If you, pp, or dij are inclined to characterize the views I've expressed in this thread as those of another "Obama apologist" or whatever, my view is essentially that of this fellow, with the exception of the last paragraph where the quote is far more generous to Obama on mortgage relief than I would be: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/74692.html
I didn't call you an "apologist" or any ad hominem.
Obama was willing to reach Ryan half-way or quarter-way: a dangerous signal considering he didn't get them to budge a dime on tax revenues, but they were able to use his budging on Medicare cuts as giving credibility to Ryan's plan.
Before Obama did that, the consensus was Ryan's plan was shit, a disaster, a draconian soulless effort.
After Obama acknowledged the dickless fucker, Ryan became suddenly a "statesman", someone to take seriously, rather than the Bull Goose Looney in the teabagger insane ward.
See how this stuff grows? Look at who he put on the Bowles-Simpson committee? All the "adults" who wanted to cut the crap out of "entitlements". Yes, there may be savings in there, but do you need to pack it with Jack D. Ripper types? Can't balance it with 1 sane person? No dirty hippies were available?
When has Van Jones ever pressured Obama rather than continually apologized for him? When has Obama ever EVER succumbed to pressure from liberals/progressives? Good luck with "pushing" Obama to do anything unless you are a Blue Dog or Republican, particularly given entire swaths of the Democratic party have been so coopted by their infatuation with the man that they will allow no criticism of him much less support it. What it's all about is Barack Obama personally. Actual Democratic policies or principles are insignificant. Van Jones' re-elect him now and pressure him later schtick seems a transparent and manipulative attempt to get disgruntled progressive voters to support a president knowing full well that their voices will be continue to be ignored by this President once the election is over.
Make the demands, get the contract, then support him, then hold him to the contract.
Otherwise it'll be back to the land of 'too tuff, did what I could, c-ya-round'
Jones' view is that in his first term there simply wasn't enough effective pressure coming from the progressive side to force Obama to be more responsive, that that is what must change if Obama wins a second term (term 1 progressive pressure cubed, say), and Jones is among those committing to help do that. If you don't like Jones there are others.
I don't understand why you think that by hooking up with the Republicans or the blue dogs, and pretending to be one of them you think it would be possible from that vantage point to pressure Obama to move in a more progressive direction. Do you think blue dogs and Republicans will somehow welcome in a few newcomers and suddenly cede to them authority to speak for them or negotiate for them or make other meaningful decisions on their behalf? In any direction, let alone a progressive direction?
That goes against pretty much all of my experiences and observations regarding the near-term influence that newcomers not brought in at the top levels have within large institutions. I really don't believe the right and the GOP are in the least confused about what it is they are trying to do. If someone urges them to do otherwise then that someone by definition is not on their team.
The idea that Obama is not serious about entitlement cuts is ridiculous. Here's what happens (if you didn't learn from Election 2008). Democrats say he's just saying it, he doesn't believe it. Then if he gets reelected, progressives get told STFU. Fall in line and support the president right or wrong. You knew he was going to do this when he got reelected, he told you in advance. Only a child would not realize Medicare and Social Security are unsustainable. Obama is just being an adult. You far lefty liberals against entitlement cuts didn't get your pony.
This is who Obama is. A moderate Republican. If someone weighs the options and votes for Obama because he's a marginally more acceptable moderate Republican than Romney, fine. I think Romney is marginally worse than Obama, but is an acceptable alternative. I will bet the ranch that whoever passes these cuts will face a long backlash from the American people, more so for the Democratic party who have long been seen as the protector of the middle class and entitlement benefits. They already know the GOP won't protect Medicare / Social Security. The long term implications of the democratic betrayal of core democratic party principles is not something the party will not be able to recover from.
The idea of voting more Republicans into office to make Liberals more forceful is shortsighted. The GOP is actively working to suppress Democratic Party voters. In Ohio, the Secretary of State is supporting plans to extend voting hours in strong Republican districts while limiting voting hours in strong Democratic districts.The long term plan is permanent disenfranchisement of Democratic votes. There will be less likelihood of Liberal Democrats in national office because those voters who would support a Liberal candidate will have more problems casting a vote.
A vote for a Republican is a vote for long term suppression of Liberal votes. Many GOP led states are pushing suppression of Democratic votes. There will not be the strong legislative push against the GO-Tea Party that some anticipate
Well gee, we've only known about this for 12 years, since disenfranchisement in Florida and elsewhere.
What is the President/DoJ/Democratic Senate doing about this? What have they done the last 12 years, or at least those when in relative majority?
Damn Obama and his last 12 years as President.. or whatever. #republicantalkingpointsaredumb
If you recall, Dan Burton didn't need a GOP president to hold hearings. #tmactalkingoutassagain
Since you don't seem to understand that your elected representatives are supposed to wield power, here's how it's done:
We understand that the current voter purges being conducted in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, etc are not the way things have been done over the past 12 years. The action to be taken is to get rid of every possible Republican. It is up to the population being impacted to express their anger.Media should be forced to cover the story in its entirety. The GOP should be called out.
Of course, on the other hand, we can argue about evil Obama. At least in Ohio voters from the impacted areas know the true villains and are conducting protests against the Republicans behind the disparity in voting opportunities.
When it comes to suppression of voting rights and women's rights, the initial attack should be directed against the GOP. Obama and the Democrats are not the prime target.
People need to focus on the clear and present danger manifested by the modern GOP.
But of course it's easier to attack Obama and the Democrats while the GOP gets off Scott free. The current battle plan is to remove Republicans from office, full stop.
Like you, I simply don't understand the reflexive Obama attacks when the GOP is telegraphing how they feel about minority voters and women. Are people that afraid of the GOP?
Okay, that solves it - vote out as many Republicans as possible, that fixes it. Why didn't I think of that?
Good thing you didn't ask your elected representatives to do anything.
Like MLK waited for the elected folks to do the job some in the public had to do. You sit and wait for Liberals to rise up as the Republicans suppress votes. Waste time complaining about what the Democrats aren't doing while ignoring what the GOP is doing.
If you hadn't noticed the public will support gay marriage on paper and vote against it come election time. The public voted in the GOP members acting to suppress voting rights, demolishing union ins and destroying women's rights. It is the duty of other citizens to work against these evil actions.
But, of course, it's easier just to sit and complain or to actually vote in Republicans in a bizarro world judo move where you let your opponent use your body weight in casting a GOP vote to get elected to take further steps to suppress votes, unions and women.
The public voted out Feingold. The public voted out Kucinich. The rest of the public needs to start actually attacking the GOP or the only power you're going to exert is on blogs.
Oh Jesus, you are an apologist.
Even Eisenhower sent in the National Guard to enforce busing, made sure schools were integrated.
LBJ didn't just sign the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 - he enforced them.
If there's disenfranchisement going on, especially based on race, the DoJ has an obligation to step in and act.
You think if Malcolm X was in the White House he'd be waiting around for MLK to show street support so he could act?
The public voted out Feingold because of 1) soft money, and 2) Obama hanging a crap health care bill around his neck. If Obama had pushed something to be proud of, Feingold could have run as a proper liberal.
Nevertheless, forget health care - do you think the public will object to Obama enforcing voting laws? They'll vote him out if he upholds the law, if he ensures everyone can vote in a timely manner? Has he ever even addressed the issue?
If Obama spilled coffee down his tie, I'm sure you'd tell me he had to so people wouldn't talk about him being too neat.
Malcolm X wouldn't have run for office, neither would MLK. The"public" would consider both too radical. Way off topic.
The DOJ has taken action in Texas and Florida.The action in Ohio is unprecedented. There was never an assumption that a biased States Attorney would have to be a tiebreaker on the issue of extending voting hours.The people of Ohio have to be the first responders and protest the GOP's actions.
You stay focused on Obama.I'll stay focused on the GOP. At least I'll be able to say that I acted to preserve the right to vote.
What has Obama done on voter suppression?!! Lawsuits!!!! The same lawsuits you want his DOJ to mount.
Here is a link to Jennifer Granholm addressing Obama's legal actions in Ohio.You have been too busy attacking Obama to be aware of countermeasures Obama is taking against the GOP.
Fine, you gave an example. Good for Obama & DoJ
Why you assume it's all about Obama, I don't know - I talked about DoJ, Senate, and when Dems controlled the House there were actions available there. Ever since 2000, which obviously wasn't Obama's remit.
Re: Malcolm, "wouldn't have run for office" is a silly copout - someone determined like him would find a strong way to fight back against conservative incursions. Without dreaming up new excuses or waiting for the populace/media to change stripes.
Obama's DOJ has launched lawsuits. The Obama campaign has lawyers at the ready for expected election conflicts.
Black Media like the Tom Joyner Morning Show provide voting information updates constantly. Near election time that give out a hotline number where voters can call in to report problems at the polls.There will be local folks ready to address problems.
People have anti-suppression strategies in place along with the DOJ lawsuits.The reason that the GOP is after Holder is due to his efforts to prevent voter suppression.
The essential problem is too many Republicans. Just as getting rid of weeds is a part of good lawn care, voting out modern so-called Republicans is essential for modern American democracy.
Why do you the the Kochs, Adelman, etc are willing to spend big money on Republicans?The modern GOP is the biggest current threat to the America way of life.
In the face of this immediate threat from the GOP,why should I devote any time to other issues? Your issues pale in comparison. If people can't vote, the future is lost.
Well said rmrd, well said.
Dude, you blame the President for everything, you made the claim that he is responsible for doing nothing about the 2000 election debacle, and you blamed democrats too, and you insinuated they were in the majority after the 2000, wow! That isn't supported by any real facts of course. What exactly does that have to do with this blog AMan wrote?
Red herring after red herring, you want to discuss them? You brought up 2000 for who knows what reason, but it feels like you are under the impression that Democrats controlled the house in 2000? I hope you realize this isn't supported by actual facts. Newt Gingrich and then Dennis Hastert were the last two speakers prior to Nancy Pelosi in 2007. Republicans held the majority in the house from Newt, 1995, to Hastert, 2007. Those are facts. Real honest to go facts. How is it that Democrats controlled the house? Do you even look things up before you type them out? I mean were you asleep during those years? Why do we have to review facts with you? We all know what happened in 2000, but I am still unsure what is has to do with this particular blog other than for you to make the point you always make, that this President isn't as good as everyone else you love, because you said so, and that you are not above misstating actual facts to support what you believe.
Too often facts have a Liberal bias that may work in Obama's favor during some attacks. How dare you insert this bias to counter an anti-Obama rant!
Again, please open both eyes. Maybe put down the percodans (just guessing)
I never blamed Obama for losses in 2000.
I said Democrats have known GOP was heavily trying to disenfranchise, gerrymander & other tricks since 2000. (Remember Tom "The Hammer" DeLay? Remember Florida voter disenfranching in 2000?)
Dems controlled the Senate half of the Bush years, and had both houses Obama's first 2 years, Senate since.
How come Dan Burton and Dan Issa can do ridiculous hearings and investigations, while Democrats can't investigate real malfeasance? Okay, Grayson & Kaufman did some I recall, but mostly it's been unimpressive.
You're just obsessed about defending Obama even when I'm not focused in on him. Really, I'm not that one-tracked.
Your analysis of Feingold, for someone running about calling other commenters "apologists", makes no sense whatsoever. Feingold lost by 8 points because of the ACA? Can't tell if you mean he's incapable of running to the left of the President (can't see why not), or how you explain that Feingold lost by 8 and Obama's up 6 in Wisconsin in Nate Silver's model. Far from an albatross, Obama is substantially more popular in Wisconsin than Feingold.
The comment, in short, is a very telling example of the kind of reasoning you claimed in your last paragraph others engaged in. Obama is more popular than Feingold was, but you somehow blame Obama for any ambient bad fact you like. Feingold had a record to run on. He was a great Senator, but it wasn't even a close race.
Jesus, just read the press at the time - targeted out-of-state money and an unpopular health bill he was punished for supporting:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/11/03/what-feingold-s-loss-means-for-progressives.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/05/us/politics/05feingold.html
http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/35208/maverick-senator-russ-feingold-felled-by-corporate-dollars/
Yes, maybe Feingold should have rejected ACA and run as a purer liberal. Though with outside money and an electorate in a foul mood, hard to find safe ground.
Are you comparing Feingold's numbers 2 years ago with Obama's (vs. Romney especially) now?
And what "ambient bad fact" am I blaming Obama for? I blame for stuff he did, or stuff he should have done that he didn't. (he is president, he does have some responsibilities outside of photo-ops). Show me otherwise.
(in the case of rmrd, I admitted that Obama & Holder had indeed pushed back against voter disenfranchisement - mea culpa and kudos)
Feingold was felled by an influx of corporate dollars. The Supremes opened the floodgates for corporate political donations. Feingold was outspent 3:1. Two of the three articles you cite focus on corporate dollars and don't mention ACA. Feingold fought for campaign finance reform.Corporations wanted him gone so they could have even more financial control of Congress.
ACA was a side issue.The corporate goal was to oust a corporate irritant trying to limit monetary ties to industry and Wall Street.
The problem is the evil Republican coporatists and the evil Republicans on the Supreme Court. Both evil groups take the view of the atheist Ayn Rand who believes that corporatists and the wealthy should rule the rest of us poor serfs. Those who are not wealthy are "takers" who have no societal value.
Ryan who considers himself Christian is now attempting to run away from Rand's views.He now calls her an atheist and claims that he didn't know that she did not believe in God. It is impossible to believe that Ryan was unaware of Rand's views on religion, charity or the value of the average citizen.
The GOP has become the living embodiment of Ayn Rand philosophy. Republican legislators, jurists, and Tea Party members worship Ayn Rand. You are useless if you have no wealth.
Feingold had to go because he rejected Rand's viewpoint. Obama did not cause Feingold's ouster. Feingold was targeted because of his campaign finance reform efforts.
BTW, I mentioned Rand being an atheist because I was amused by Ryan verbal dancing with Britt Hume when Hume questioned Ryan's support of Rand. Ryan through her under the bus so he could pretend his political views are based in religion.
I think most atheist think Ayn Rand's view of the public as serfs and the rejection of a spirit of charity are bats**t crazy.
Feingold was well-known. If the public wasn't unhappy about economic meltdown and ACA as bad legislation, massive spending would have had much less effect.
You are entitled to your opinion. However, as I noted above corporate funding of Feingold's opponent was the focus of 2/3 articles you said would support ACA as the cause of the defeat.Your own supplied facts don't support your contention.
Below you ask tmac why Obama didn't put his own"seat" on the line to deliver a better ACA. Again, it was the money influx that was the problem, not the ACA.
Ask the very Conservative GOP legislators who were ousted by well funded Tea Party candidates if money is not important.Richard Lugar was well known. Richard Lugar lost his primary.
Can you give me data to support your belief that money is unimportant? You know, some facts.
Fucking read:
What does #1 say? Oh,, "soft money".
Read with both eyes.
So can you answer your own question now?
And the asnwer? "Doh, oh, I see - you don't believe that money is unimportant - in fact you put it 1st of 2 causes listed"
Thank you, that wasn't too hard, was it?
When I get you using profanity and insults, then I know I've really got you.
You said that money should have been a lesser influence in Feingold's case. I pointed out that the well-known Richard Lugar lost because of money.Money is important in my estimation. You said it should have a lesser effect. (see block quote below)
I even listed money over ACA as the major reason for his loss.
Why do you think I'm using profanity? You won't read and keep pulling up stupid shit over and over and over.
Yes, I said money was a factor. And yes, I said its effect would have been lessened without the bad health care bill.
There were 3000 people killed in an earthquake. Fewer would have died if the houses had been built better. Still, THE EARTHQUAKE WAS THE MAJOR CAUSE OF DEATH. Not bad housing.
Clearer?
You use profanity because you have no point except that it's Obama fault.
Feingold and Lugar would have won if the big money wasn't involved. Agreed.
Great, now you're reading with both eyes closed.
Hasta.
I never agreed that the money was the cause of Feingold's loss. That is a whiny and convenient fiction though concededly popular in some quarters. He was behind by a stable and consistent margin. Correlation doesn't prove causation, and I see none.
Your view of this does not grapple with the facts that Obama has consistently outperformed Feingold and Barrett in statewide poll data through the period and has consistently led in WI despite being a bit more closely associated w Obamacare than an individual Senator. If Obama/ACA was an albatross, how could that be?
RE: Feingold, real legislators are supposed to be willing to lose their seats, (which should never be for life anyway) in order to get big things done, i.e. ACA. It's a requirement of the job. Feingold did what he was supposed to do, he voted to get this big thing done, Universal Health Care for the country, and he put his job on the line, he lost, and he will go down in history as a guy who took his job seriously and did it right.
So why didn't Obama put his seat on the line to do Universal Healthcare right?
Peracles, the President has put his office on the line, and just because health reform wasn't done your way, doesn't mean it wasn't done correctly. I am pretty sure, all the folks you are going to cite who believe it could have been done differently have never served one day in congress, maybe they haven't been elected to anything, so I don't put much faith into an analysis that claim, coulda, woulda, shoulda, without actual evidence to back up all the hot air. There is no magical way of passing legislation, I mean if the Senate won't go for particular regulations how will you get that passed? Is there some other way no one knows about to pass legislation? So the bill we have is the bill we have, the Presidents job is on the line partly because of ACA, so it seems once again you don't know what you are talking about.
Yeah, obviously the people I cite are all dumbfucks, ass sniffers, dumpster divers, never elected to office, not diddley squat.
Your sources are all red hot, pink magic shoes, expert PhD MD LLD QED, top of their class, lead role in school play types
So lessee, "I mean if the Senate won't go for particular regulations how will you get that passed? Is there some other way no one knows about to pass legislation? "
Uh, reconciliation - the way he refused at first, the way he passed it at last. After the cow had left the barn.
I'm surprised all your special friends in high places you cite didn't tell you that. Are they holding out on you?
Oops, gotta stop that silly talk, because after all, I'm the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. Gotta go, time for my moron classes.
There were people arguing that it would have been better to have no legislation passed than to provide previously uncovered patients with some health care. They totally miss how Social Security was transformed from its original form. The same transformation will happen with ACA.
BTW someone just admitted that classes are required to make some of the conclusions that he reaches and denials that he puts out.
Either he's taking post-graduate level classes or actually teaching the postdoctoral courses.
You know, you're obviously not the only disagreeable, overtly pretentious person on the nets.
But I just realized that after years of this, I've never found anything you've said slightly interesting or amusing or even infatuatingly annoying, and that's a pretty low hurdle.
So (not breaking your heart I'm sure) I'll leave you alone and ignore your posts and comments from now on. Time too short, as I could be weeding my sidewalk or learning Tuvan throat singing or something equally important.
Regards & c-ya.
Peracles, Good luck with that.
but I suspect someone will stalk you, trying to engage you into a fight, then they'll run back to the admins and complain, that you insulted them or made them look stupid or embarrassed and thats a violation of the TOS?
No worries, B Happy, cool runnings
BTW, this really is only a blog, not a life-and-death situation
The admins here are amazingly tolerant. At least that's my opinion in the couple of months I've been reading here. If it were me I'd have deleted your "penis envy" comment on Ramona's blog immediately and banned you from the thread. But she didn't so I don't think you have anything to complain about.
http://dagblog.com/politics/one-good-reason-feminist-movement-had-get-mo...
Hahah, yes but it made me laugh Peracles, so thanks for that! Hahaha.
The rest of the public is made up of Independents, who don't care much about the Democratic heroes ie Anderson Cooper.
Values such as lawful vs unlawful... immigration
Every day, theres another in your face attack, on old values.
The public is well aware of their own values and what is wrong with America with it's moral decay.
Morality under attack because of Liberalism.
Liberalism associated with Democrats
Why should those who want a moral foundation, undercut their pillars? The public that fears the extremists of the right but also fear the extremism of the left. Will opt for deeply engrained moral values, their deeply held inner support system.
The candidate that answers the need for preservation of old values, will see the attack on such values, comes from the Democrats.
You want your kids going to Penn State, where moral values were ignored?
Who (not what) defines morals? Is it immoral to want equality for all? Is it immoral to stand up and speak out against discrimination against any human being? Is it moral to let children suffer from hunger, illness and abuse simply because of political economic tug of wars (as well as cost of actual wars) and the mantra we 'can't afford' or 'it's not our responsibility'?
And aside from criminal activities, it isn't up to the government to 'define' what's moral.
Please quit painting all with such broad strokes of judgmental, negative strokes.
It's obvious, at least to me, that you should be playing in the tea party/right wing sandbox, instead of constantly attempting to inform us of what you believe to be all that's sinful and wrong.
How about giving some voice to at least some of the good and joyful aspects of life on earth among us heathens you so enjoy preaching hellfire and brimstone to on a regular basis?
Tell that to the Catholics, who'll be told by their leaders, what constitutes morality
Despite your liberalistic views attacking me.
Politics and Religion does interconnect.
Romneys Mormonism and now Ryans Catholicism
The rest of your rage towards me, clearly points to why you'd make a good poster child for the GOP, to point out how liberals attack folks with moral values.
The voice from the clergy is life would be better.
Who was it that said the hurricanes were a warning? Personally, I don't agree; but there are millions of folks that do.
The clergy reminds the people how life is good and joyful when we listen and what happens when we don't.
The GOP doesn't want Gods wrath brought upon the rest of us, because some lacked moral values.
Go ahead, ignore the kind of power religion has on politics. Ignore thousands of years of the Religious /political marriage.
Make fun of the clergy, who are the real power in this country. Mock the millions that attend or listen to their ministers, telling them liberalism is an abomination
Tell that to the Catholic charities who thought government lacked the moral authority to impose it's moral values.Abortions and contraceptives. Bishops angered by what they saw, and that Obama should defer to the church on moral issues.
The Ryan pick is just what the Bishops needed.
As Genghis pointed out .
the average American will not find the bare conservative ideas nearly so offensive as we would like to think they will.
http://dagblog.com/politics/paul-ryan-challenge-14469.
Resistance you obviously don't know any real Catholics. You wrote:
That is hilarious, because when Priests tell parishioners how to vote, they are roundly criticized by their parishioners, and after we are finished laughing our asses off at their overstepping their authority, we remind them, by voting overwhelmingly for democrats that they never get to tell us how to vote.
#Talkingoutyour... again
The question posed was
"Who (not what) defines morals?"
I guess I should have said "Tell that to the Catholics, who'll be told by their SPIRITUAL leaders, what constitutes morality.
We don't need politicians to do the job, our ministers do, we only need politicians to act in accord, with Gods words.
Are you attacking the faith of Catholics?
I know many a good Catholics that listens to the Popes message; as they try to bring their lives into harmony; and NO they don't roundly criticize.They don't murmur against, what is presumed appointed.
Buzz off.
Catholics are taught from birth to think for themselves. Being a Catholic, I know a little bit about it. You being a blog preacher, wouldn't know anything about Catholics.
And to your little buzz off statement, hahahahah, umm no. If you are going to comment on blogs, women like me, are going to comment, sometimes to you, I know you hate anyone that challenges you, but that is just too bad. This is how commenting on blogs work Resistance. I would never read a blog you write, and so would never comment on that, however, this isn't a blog you wrote, this is a blog you are merely contributing to by commenting, which leaves me free to comment back, whether you like it or not, and if you don't like it, feel free never to comment back to me, however that won't stop me from commenting to you if I feel like it.
Well, no, Resistance doesn't belong with the GOP.
What you have here is a rather fundamentalist Christian mostly liberal Democrat.
While he may be a bit unusual around here, learn to talk to him. We have a nation full of fundamentalists, and just dismissing them as all being teabaggers will get us nowhere.
While the conversation can get frustrating (I'm sure on all sides), I think there's ultimately value. The Democratic party is a bit low on new memes, new strategies for recruiting without dismissing those they'd recruit, and this fella seems searching for some accomodation.
Why would Yahweh count ballots?
That's your system.
You're continuing to talk out of where the wind is breaking?
Really? hmmm. Interesting
I don't like to 'talk to' anyone, only 'with' people who are interested in positive communication about the topic at hand. This does not mean always agreeing about topic, but engaging with facts in a respectful manner. Those who choose to rant, attack, and insert blather that has nothing to do with topic only do so because they either don't have the facts or are simply attempting to divert from the topic. It's also very tiresome and a waste of time/energy to engage with those who consistently choose to do so......
Seldom, if ever, does anything positive come out of the exchange. If one is only interested in arguing and belittling, it's best for most (me, for sure) to 'walk away' as it were.
There are so many intelligent and articulate people on this site that 'educate' and are proactive/positive communicators who inform with facts, it's a better choice for me to read and interact with them - I don't have to 'learn to talk' with them.
But, thanks for caring.
I don't know about you Auntie, but I don't believe there is such a thing as a fundamentalist authoritarian liberal democrat. That is too much irony!!!
If you insist on bringing up issues however slight, dealing with YOUR ideas about morality or how Republicans should act or how they ignore "the least of us"
Or that if you disagree with Aunt Sam or any of her mutual admiration society friends and be told "You should join the heathenish GOP" I'll be there.
Answer or not I don't care. If you do reply in the form of attacks on my values, I
usually reply. In case you hadn't noticed when looking down at the screen below your nose.
Now its apparent you've never thought of this, but believe it or not; there may be others, that visit Dagblog, yet they never comment, who disagree with your position.
Did you ever think of that? Or do you say" How dare them"?
You are not the only one, on this site, that has no problem imposing their own morality or values on others.
Unless you want to make this site about sports? I suggest you understand that religion and politics does intermingle.
In case you didn't realize it; the Republican party kicks our butts on the moral values theme. Not that they live by it , but only that it resonates with all; but the blind.
Despite the 1966, New York Times headline. "God is Dead"
The older generation voters recall the days, before the decline of moral values.
(Moral decay and depravity)
There is no logical place to stop this, but I choose here. No more comments in the thread simply about what you think of each other. Enough already, it's not what we do. Please move along, all. Thanks.
Why doesn't it surprise me that you would direct this towards me.
Am I allowed to answer rmrds question?
The folks that loved FDR didn't abandon the Democratic party; the New democratic party refuses to believe,. the other, stalwart old guard Democrats folks, don't like the direction the new Democratic party took.
Dare I say, they don't like the values.
How many more losses before you all wake up?
Many of the people who left the Democratic party left after the Civil Rights Act was signed. We're those moral people? People had grown up with a particular way of life and now it was changing. Were they influenced by believing that Blacks were cursed by God (something found nowhere in the Bible)? Is the current snipe hunt for voter fraud manifested by voter suppression just another immoral refusal to love one's brother as oneself ? By bearing false witness against a woman who happens to be Muslim alas was done by Michelle Bachmann, immoral? Isn't the burdens the GOP places on immigrants similar to the crime of Sodom, where citizens were very uncharitable to foreigners?
I don't find Republicans morally superior. If people thought the GOP was the moral answer, they were delusional. Morally and from a Christian standpoint the GOP is evil.
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It wasn't directed only at you. It was directed to "all", including TMac, PerPle, you, and anyone else doing that in equal measure. Your whining that you're being picked on is not well-taken. Please just continue participating appropriately, as the rest of your comment does. Thanks.
Whining, is that word conducive in the promotion of civility?
Is the moral voter going to cast a ballot for a party characterized as being pro-life or for a party characterized as caring more for the poor? I think most voters will have no problems supporting the morality of their vote,