Donal's picture

    Strong Tea

    A Shiny Tea Set

    Tea! I don't know what's wrong with the Tea Party!
    Tea! They're conservative with a big fat C.
    Why can't they be like we are? Why can't they only see?
    What's the deal with the Tea Par-ty?

    Everybody has a pet theory about the Tea Party. The Wall Street Journal thinks they're on to something that liberals are too effete to discern.

    Why Liberals Don't Get the Tea Party Movement

    Having learned next to nothing in the intervening 16 months about one of the most spectacular grass-roots political movements in American history, fellow Times columnist Frank Rich denied in August of this year that the tea party movement is "spontaneous and leaderless," insisting instead that it is the instrument of billionaire brothers David and Charles Koch.
    ...

    To be sure, the tea party sports its share of clowns, kooks and creeps. And some of its favored candidates and loudest voices have made embarrassing statements and embraced reckless policies. This, however, does not distinguish the tea party movement from the competition.

    Born in response to President Obama's self-declared desire to fundamentally change America, the tea party movement has made its central goals abundantly clear. Activists and the sizeable swath of voters who sympathize with them want to reduce the massively ballooning national debt, cut runaway federal spending, keep taxes in check, reinvigorate the economy, and block the expansion of the state into citizens' lives.

    In other words, the tea party movement is inspired above all by a commitment to limited government. And that does distinguish it from the competition.


    But the WSJ chooses to overlook that the Tea Party movement was born from conservative dissatisfaction with the government bailouts of Wall Street, Big Banks and GM by the Bush-led Republican Congress as well as the Obama-led Democratic Congress. As per Wikipedia, "The protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, and a series of health care reform bills." By conservatives, I mean folk that are actually careful with money, that seriously take few risks, etc., as opposed to neocons that borrow-and-spend, rush into foreign wars, and give only lip service to conservatism. And while some Tea Partiers may have been outside the Republican Party for a few weeks, the movement seems on course to being reabsorbed into the GOP.

    Other people see the Tea Party as confused and frightened people that are not stupid, but only want to hear what they want to hear: That it is once again Morning in America.

    What Should a President Do?

    [T]he current economic situation is so drastically different from all previous downturns, no matter how deep, and the scale is global with regional variations difficult to explain, people do already sense that there is something fundamentally wrong. They can't put their fingers on what it is, though the talking heads and Tea Partiers are pointing fingers at various scapegoats that sound plausible on the surface. They can't verbalize what they sense beyond repeating the sound bites they hear. But they do sense that there is something deeper and more sinister than just something like the banksters' faults. How could they not. Even so, once the truth is revealed, they will, no doubt, revile it. They will deny it. They will kill the messenger.


    Shouts Banish Doubts

    Two years ago, faith in free-market capitalism was badly shaken  when the international banking system nearly collapsed. To many, a sober re-evaluation of the government’s regulatory role seemed an inevitable response.

    Instead, today’s political discourse is largely driven by the Tea Party movement, which is impassioned and vocal in its defense of unfettered free-market capitalism.


    But some research suggests that passion often disguises uncertainty.

    In both this and a second experiment, “individuals induced to feel doubt about their beliefs exerted more effort toward advocating beliefs,” the researchers write. A third study, which looked at Mac and PC users, found the doubtful also “expressed a greater likelihood to attempt to persuade other people of their beliefs.”

    This helps explain why political rhetoric has ratcheted up during a time of rapid societal change. In a logic-driven world, the shattering of long-held assumptions such as “the U.S. will never be attacked on its home soil” or “the value of my house will never decrease” would lead to a thoughtful period of reflection and re-evaluation. In our world, it leads one to actively advocate one’s pre-existing beliefs all the more passionately.

    So, in contrast with conventional wisdom, the Tea Partiers may not be true believers so much as they are people who have had their confidence in the system shaken. To overcome any distressing doubts, they have reaffirmed their convictions by loudly attempting to persuade others.


    In his Big Lie post, David Seaton asserts that the Tea Party was created by Murdoch and the Kochs. I think the Tea Party sprung up among some genuine conservative and libertarians, and some people who like to think of themselves as genuine, who felt ignored by both parties, and who then were quickly manipulated by Murdoch and the Kochs. But in either case, they are here, and they are voting the Republicans even farther to the right.

    But given the current state of the world, no one can offer them much more than promises.

     

    Topics: 

    Comments

    "But the WSJ chooses to overlook that the Tea Party movement was born from conservative dissatisfaction with the government bailouts of Wall Street, Big Banks and GM by the Bush-led Republican Congress as well as the Obama-led Democratic Congress. As per Wikipedia, "The protests were partially in response to several Federal laws: the Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, and a series of health care reform bills." 

    Sorry, this is just wrong.   If there was a Tea Party movement before the election of Barack Obama, it was a handful of Ron Paul acolytes with no juice among the Republican establishment whatsoever.  The Tea Party that rose to prominence are ultra-conservative Republicans who didn't utter a peep of protest about bank bailouts, deficits, or expansion of Medicare when a Republican was in the White House.

    Please stop giving these quasi-fascists credit for adherence to political principle that they don't possess.  They are pissed because they feel they've lost their place at the top of the pecking order, and they want their privilege back.  If George Allen had managed to get elected president and done exactly what Barack Obama has in terms of trying to stimulate the economy, there would be no Tea Party as we see it today.   

     

     


    The Tea Party that rose to prominence are ultra-conservative Republicans who didn't utter a peep of protest about bank bailouts, deficits, or expansion of Medicare when a Republican was in the White House.

    As I recall it, the greatest resistance to passing Bush's EESA bailout was from fiscally conservative Republicans from some of the reddest states. It is true that most of them went along with borrow and spend for the war, but war spending probably brought so much money to their states that they couldn't say no.


    I expected this response, and it's technically correct.  But do you honestly think that, if the bailout was dependent on Republican votes, they wouldn't have fallen in line?  Their opposition to the bailout was pure political calculation. 

    And my point about no Republican opposition to Bush's earlier budget-busting initiatives still stands.  I categorically reject any attempt to give Republicans credit for fiscal responsibility.  It's one of the most destructive Big Lies that have taken hold over the last thirty years, and has no basis whatsoever in objective fact.


    Of course they would fall in line - they're Republicans. But falling in line is different than agreeing. And I'm not calling them fiscally responsible, I'm saying that their instincts are to be careful with money (their own) and avoid risk (for themselves). It would have been nice if they had bucked their party's borrow and spend mentality to insist on fiscal responsibility nationwide instead of eagerly taking war money for their state, but that would have been politically risky for them. It wasn't until they saw the fiscal irresponsibility coming home to roost that they found their voices.


    "It wasn't until they saw the fiscal irresponsibility coming home to roost that they found their voices."

    Um, I think they found their voices once they thought they could blame the whole mess on the Democrats. 


    That was an irresistible opportunity, but I can't dismiss the Republican defections to the Ron Paul camp as a "handful of acolytes", nor can I forget that 133 Republicans voted against the first House vote on EESA. It became easier, and was coopted, once Obama took office, but the concern, the dissatisfaction, was there beforehand.


    Weren't the Democrats also complicit with the authorization to use military force? 

    Did they think the money grew on trees, in Murtha's back yard?  

    Both sides blaming one another, for out of control spending. 

    "The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles."

    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

    Each party getting the spoils, at the expense of the working class.

    If the working class wants the benefits only government can deliver, then repeal the No tariffs or duties (free trade). If not, then taxes need to be raised from the working class or there’ll be no government assitance.

    If you want to buy that cheap import, understand you'll be cutting your own throat.  

    The people have become a burden on government of the Corporations.

    No more entitlements, no more free.

    That's what the people need to tell the merchants; no more free trade.

    Day of reckoning is here.

     


    I thought this Weigant piece at HuffPo was interesting.

     


    Well. Let's at least be honest about where the Tea Party REALLY started. This was long before any bailouts or Obama.

    Sure, they were co-opted in 2009 (apparently there is even some question about the spontaneity of Santeli's signature trading-floor rant that "started" the movement). But, that's where they really started. It doesn't take much time on google to blow the common narrative - repeated uncritically time and time again - out of the water.

    IMO, the selection of that specific branding was as much about neutralizing a competing base of power within their own ranks as it was about tossing flak to the Democrats. It certainly seems some establishment powers would covet control of a group that can raise $6M in less than 24 hours (repeatedly) - and that counter-convention thing wasn't pretty from a GOP standpoint. But that's just my theory (though not unique).

    Any way it goes, the current Tea Party narrative is painfully lacking in accuracy - and as such, the majority of analysis on the dynamic starts from a flawed premise and goes downhill from there. The only people who consistently report the story accurately are Rachel Maddow (not the best historical explanation she's done - but the libertarian is hilarious on this video) and Jane Hamsher's crew. Oh yeah, and also too Wonkette, also. Even original members of the movement give Maddow credit for excellent coverage.

    Just sayin. It isn't possible to really understand the dynamic and simultaneously view these people as a monolithic characture. The people you call "Tea Partiers" today, you called twenty-percenters coming in to 2008. I call the original guys Tea Partiers, and brand the interlopers their own moronically coined nom de guerre: Teabaggers. But, honestly it kind of looks like the original guys have finally just ceded the ground and have started self-identifying differently.

     


    I gave a nod to the Paulites (who are as crazy as the Teabaggers, IMO, but their standard-bearer at least displays a consistency that the current batch never possessed) in my comment.  But to claim that that  movement has been co-opted is understating the point to a degree that makes any association of the current TP with Ron Paul irrelevant. 

    Sure, the echt Tea Partiers have been able to swing a couple of protest votes for Paul at conservative conferences and the like.  But their only contribution to the current TP's brand is rhetorical (now every Teatard believes we have to go back to "limited government as it's set out in the Constitution") and a name for the movement (plus, as I recently read, there were New Left groups in the 60's or 70's callling themselves "Tea Parties," so it's not like Paul was the first one in even in that regard).

    You seem determined to give the TPs a patina of respectability by associating them with the Paul Tea Party of 2007.  I'm talking about who they are today, and have been since April of 2009.  And the facts are that this group had no media presence or public profile until they became the group chosen as an outlet to express the anger of sore-loser Republicans by Fox News, Dick Armey, and other members of the Republican establishment.  In other words, old Republican whine in a new bottle.     


    In my opinion, the tea has been simmering from the Ross Perot Presidential run.

    It has now reached a boiling point.

    That giant sucking sound Perot warned about, is the result of both parties in they're relationship with Corporate power.

    Does the Tea party have all the answers; do the Dems?

    Something or some group needs to shake the foundation of the DEEPLY ENTRENCHED, Corporate Government. 

    Obamas bi-partisanship was a joke, a delaying tactic to keep the status quo in power. The hope someone was going to change things up; except on election night, we found out the change we thought we were going to get, was just more BS.

    Today the sucking sound ever more pronounced.

    The Tea party is sick of the capitulators, those who keep making empty promises time after time, the traitors who enjoy the giant sucking sound.

    Slurping at the same old trough.  

    The sheeple will keep voting for the Dems, because the sheeple believe the Dems will protect Social Security. 

    WRONG 

    The sheeple will vote Dems because they'll end the costly wars.

    WRONG 

    THE NATION IS NOW GOING TO REAP WHAT IT SOWED because ........ 

    If the Tea party strikes out at the root of most of Americas ills, and ends NAFTA type agreements, the WTO”S;  they will have done more to save America for our generation, than all the BS promises, by both parties.

    Our revolutionary forefathers understood this. We've allowed ourselves to become servants of Corporate interests; AGAIN

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company

    Our Government has lost the faith of the people, and that spells trouble.

    A seasoned politician; is one who sees the movement of the crowd, and hurry's up and runs to the front of the group, claiming to be its leader.


    Good post and good comments.  I see the Tea Party as the party of Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin.  Without either of them it would have fizzled and died long ago.  They're no longer a rag-tag bunch of dissenters without a cause. Their cause now is to get Beck/Palin-endorsed candidates elected. 

    I see those rallies and I don't believe for a minute that many of those people even understand what message their signs are sending.  They don't have the slightest concept of what it would take to get this country back on track.  I don't see or hear a single solution, just the same old repeats of Beck/Palin rant.  The Dems are the bad guys.  Big government will swallow you up.  Obamacare will kill you.  Come to our side and we'll do. . . .well, we'll do something.

    You're forgetting Dick Armey and Freedom Works in all of this.  Tons of corporate/pharma money is behind the Tea Party push.  They're desperate to keep the status-quo and Palin and Beck are the gifts that keep on giving.  The "little people" carrying the signs are seduced into thinking they're invitees into a select, fun party wherein lie the answers to all of their problems.

    That there never are any answers is a fact that seems to have been lost in the crowd.  Right now they're a part of a rebel fan club and enjoying the hell out of it.  There's no question that they have some real gripes.  Don't we all?  But all they can think about is throwing the bums out without giving a thought to the crisis we're in and what it will mean if they willy-nilly vote in anybody as long as they're outsiders without portfolio.


    “Tons of corporate/pharma money is behind the Tea Party push.” 

    It takes money to win elections. 

    For 18 months Obama put all his eggs in one basket, healthcare. He had to have known it was going to be a divisive issue? 

    Where were the good paying JOBS,  to pay the taxes, this new Government program was going to cost. 

    Where were the good paying JOBS, to keep people from losing they’re homes?  

    Instead of healthcare being the center piece, the focus should have been good paying JOBS. 

    Then to make matters worse, and IMHO the Presidents advisors tells him to pander to the illegal immigrants, who are viewed by many Americans, as one of the causes, for lack of GOOD PAYING JOBS and the other cause being Corporations icing on the cake, NAFTA. 

    What idiot told the President, interject another divisve issue into the mid-term. 

    Then wonder why the hornets are active, and your party is going to get stung? 

    Now the Preisdent has to go back and tell Ohio, I feel your pain, yet when candidate Obama wink, winked when on the stump for the Presidency,  Obama told the voters of Ohio he would go after NAFTA.....He lied.  

    How did Obama expand the taxbase, to pay for his programs, needed to get relected?  

    Mr. President, the cart goes behind the horse.  

    I guess the Obama team was no different than Rummy, you go to battle with the underfunded army you got. 

    Where are the GOOD PAYING JOBS, your base needed to counter the “Tons of corporate/pharma money is behind the Tea Party push.” Ramona points out

     

      


    Yes, they're confused and make no sense. And fun to laugh at. But this administration is not making much more sense. You can't effect massive government intervention to 'save' the auto industry and the banking industry, and at the same time keep declaring your complete faith in 'free markets'. You HAVE TO offer some other explanation than 'oh, I'm just tweaking a leetle itty bitty flaw in the markets here...'. If you don't have some other story to tell, you are just obviously telling bold-faced lies. Obama is playing into every Tea Party narrative theme - government jobs aren't 'real jobs, only business innovation drives job growth, we have to live within our means, etc - while his ACTIONS don't fit his words. Either the administration is going to have to adjust its rhetoric OR it's going to have to adjust its actions. And I fear it's the latter.

    double-posted. sorry.

    I think that you are all correct, to an extent. These are people that are seeing their world, as they knew it, being changed in ways they do not like one little bit. Their comfort zone is being systematically eroded and they see Liberals and Big Government as the reason.

    They see their taxes going up to pay for benefits that they themselves do not get but those they despise are getting. They can no longer say who they can have in their schools, on the bus, in their favorite eating establishments. They can no longer joke as they please, talk as they please and smoke when and where they please. And worse yet they are getting taxed for it.

    It's all these things. And the bail outs and Obama getting elected are the straws that broke the camel's back.


    Latest Comments