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    Wow! 58% in favor of Universal Coverage! I love it. Thanks OGD! I'm going to go back and check the ones I didn't watch. This is good stuff. I love the one where the guy says that with insurance you always get to choose your own doctor and that health care is safer -- why are our statistics so abysmal then?

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    Howdy . . .

    Jan --

    Thanks for dropping in.

    Here's a little article about what's been happening with the Massachusetts universal system.

    Massachusetts doctors say single-payer or bust

    By Sarah Arnquist

    Massachusetts members of the Physicians for a National Health Program released a report today faulting the state's experiment with health reform for failing to achieve universal coverage, being too expensive and draining funds away from safety-net providers.

    The doctors' punch line is that the reform has given private insurance companies more business and power without eliminating vast administrative waste. In fact, it says, the "Connector" in charge of administering the reform adds about 5 percent more in administrative expenses.

    In summary, nothing less than single-payer national health reform will work, according to authors Drs. Rachel Nardin, David Himmelstein and Steffie Woolhandler, all professors at Harvard Medical School.

    The report criticizes the Urban Institute's largely favorable report that found only 2.6 percent of Massachusetts' residents were uninsured in mid-2008 because it failed to sufficiently reach non-English speakers in its survey.

    Reports in Health Affairs this winter also found significant positive support for the reform among employers and the public. There was little evidence of crowd-out.

    The PNHP doctors' report says health plans people are forced to buy are not affordable and often skimp, making the mandate that individuals buy them regressive. And moreover, it says, peoples' experiences have shown that insurance does not guarantee access to care. The Boston Globe chronicled the long wait for primary care last September.

    continues here

    ~OGD~

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    Why does Obama not want the only thing that will work? That is what I simply can't understand!

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    Well . . .

    Good question Jan.

    If you go to this blog post of mine back in December and following the links it may help you to understand why they aren't attempting to bite off more that can be chewed.

    ~OGD~

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    I haven't had time to watch any of the vids yet, but one question: what the heck is John Stossel doing there?

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    Uhhhh . . .

    Good catch there padre...

    Not to defend nor support Stossel, but this IS a debate.

    Soooo... just by his presence on the panel and some background knowledge of his facts-be-damned and style over substance in his "reporting" you can take it from there.

    There is a moment that underscores Stossel's misleading style when he casually throws out some horse-pucky stats on unemployment numbers and Krugman quickly begs to differ.

    Also -- in video #9 at the 4:00 minute mark don't miss the corporate shill Betsy McCaughey from the right-wing think-tank the Hudson Institute (Bloomberg opinion Feb 9) throw out a big softball question by editorializing her position by showing her feigned deep concern for seniors.

    ~OGD~

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    Keep it up OGD! I think you're just hitting your stride.

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    Thanks . . .

    It's the least that can be done from the keyboard here Oinker.

    What with the impending announcement of someone (Buzzheads discuss Sebelius Kansas City Star) at HHS, the focus throughout the blogs and the media will soon be all about health care.

    Everybody and their sister and brother will soon become an expert on this issue. At least for a week or so... That is if Alex Rodriguez doesn't open his trap again about his steroid use and the talking-heads go nuts over that BS again.

    Thanks again...

    ~OGD~

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    Constitutional asymmetry may be at the root.

    "provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare"

    Consider a variation which does not appear in the Constitution:

    "promote the common defense, provide for the general welfare"

    This makes defense spending marginal and mandates things like health care spending via government agencies. It is what some who support single payer want the Constitution to say. It is part of why we have huge and wasteful "defense" budgets. The same applies to the "stimulus bill". True stimulus might promote the general welfare. But what the bill actually does, or aims to do, is "provide for the general welfare" by spending combined with impotent tax cuts.

    Obama knows the Constitution. Should we expect him to violate it over and over again?


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    Well ... as Ronnie Raygun would say...

    The Constitution under Article 1:

    Section 8: The Congress shall have power

    To lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

    But since you seem to be saying Obama's violating the Constitution, and I'm not going to get into a bickering match whether or not he has since I can read the above, maybe you should start an Impeach Obama organization.

    Or ... Oh wait... There's already an organization that you can tie in with...

    obamaimpeachment.org/

    I'm sure Sinclair, Jones, and Keyes would gladly accept donations from the unsuspecting general public to help keep their dwindling bank accounts in the plus column.

    Sheesh...

    ~OGD~

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    Good at you -- nothing like coming back with the truth! How could anyone argue that Universal Health Care goes against the Constitution?

    I didn't see eds complaining about the blatant shredding that went on for 7 years (it took them one year to get all their ducks [sorry OGD] in a row) to figure out how to get away with it. In fact, all they had to do was stare back at the camera, or Congress, or the judge, or anyone else. They just totally got away with it! But I digress...

    Obama knows the Constitution. Should we expect him to violate it over and over again?

    Is it asking too much to see an actual example?

    Or is the point that doing anything that is not actually DESCRIBED in the Constitution must be a violation of it? Like riding in a plane? Like using a computer? Like supporting a stimulus bill, WRITTEN and PASSED by Congress to rescue the shit-load of mess left by W and his band of burglars?

    I'll save my outrage for ACTUAL Constitutional malfeasance, such as high crimes and misdemeanors -- torture, outing CIA agents, etc etc etc.

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    You perhaps chose not to see my complaints. Do I have to be a Bush lover in your world in order to point out real issues in the real world to you??

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    Um... let's start at the beginning.

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

    Now that you are armed with the truth, how about dealing with the reality of the comment? I realize it might be too subtle for some, but surely not for you!

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    Uhhh . . .

    Response moved to here (sorry about the formatting gremlins there).

    ~OGD~

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    Dee Doo Dee Doo Dee Doo . . .

    Case Law:

    The preamble "...has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the government of the United States, or on any of its departments. Such powers embrace only those expressly granted in the body of the Constitution, and such as may be implied from those so granted."

    From caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/preamble/

    PURPOSE AND EFFECT OF THE PREAMBLE

    Although the preamble is not a source of power for any department of the Federal Government, 1 the Supreme Court has often referred to it as evidence of the origin, scope, and purpose of the Constitution. 2
    ''Its true office,'' wrote Joseph Story in his COMMENTARIES, ''is to
    expound the nature and extent and application of the powers actually
    conferred by the Constitution, and not substantively to create them.
    For example, the preamble declares one object to be, 'to provide for
    the common defense.' No one can doubt that this does not enlarge the
    powers of Congress to pass any measures which they deem useful for the
    common defence. But suppose the terms of a given power admit of two
    constructions, the one more restrictive, the other more liberal, and
    each of them is consistent with the words, but is, and ought to be,
    governed by the intent of the power; if one could promote and the other
    defeat the common defence, ought not the former, upon the soundest
    principles of interpretation, to be adopted?'' 3 


    Footnotes

    1 Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11, 22 (1905).

    2 E.g., the Court has read the preamble as bearing witness to the fact that the Constitution emanated from the people and was not the act of sovereign and independent States, McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316, 403 (1819) Chisholm v. Georgia, 2 U.S. (2 Dall.) 419, 471 (1793); Martin v. Hunter's Lessee, 14 U.S. (1 Wheat.) 304, 324 (1816), and that it was made for, and is binding only in, the United States of America. Downes v. Bidwell, 182 U.S. 244, 251 (1901); In re Ross, 140 U.S. 453, 464 (1891).

    3 1 J. Story, Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States (Boston: 1833), 462. For a lengthy exegesis of the preamble phrase by phrase, see M. Adler & W. Gorman, The American Testament (New York: 1975), 63-118.

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    JACOBSON v. COM. OF MASSACHUSETTS, 197 U.S. 11 (1905)

    [197 U.S. 11, 22]  

    Mr. Justice Harlan delivered the opinion of the court:

    We pass without extended discussion the suggestion that the particular section of the statute of Massachusetts now in question ( 137, chap. 75) is in derogation of rights secured by the preamble of the Constitution of the United States. Although that preamble indicates the general purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution, it has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the government of the United States, or on any of its departments. Such powers embrace only those expressly granted in the body of the Constitution, and such as may be implied from those so granted. Although, therefore, one of the declared objects of the Constitution was to secure the blessings of liberty to all under the sovereign jurisdiction and authority of the United States, no power can be exerted to that end by the United States, unless, apart from the preamble, it be found in some express delegation of power, or in some power to be properly implied therefrom. 1 Story, Const. 462.

    ~OGD~

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