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Cornel West spews more racist rhetoric than any Republican in America. The reason for that is he’s essentially an entertainer who specializes in shock and race-baiting as his one and only routine. Clear evidence of that is he's over the top in everything that defines him - he's over the top in his personal image, in his overly gesticulative presentation, and his rhetoric is invariably inflammatory. Everything about him is a contrivance that’s specifically designed to bring attention to himself. The actual issues are meaningless to him. They're nothing more than a platform to launch his performance. In short, Cornel West is the Liberace of faux intellectualism.
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Have you ever noticed that nearly every public pronouncement that spews from the mouth of Cornel West is literally dripping with racial innuendo? One of his latest racist slanders is that MSNBC is the ‘Rent a Negro’ network. West has said at various times the following:
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1). President Obama is "a war criminal."
2). President Obama is "a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs . . ."
3). President Obama is "a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
4). President Obama is "a Rockefeller Republican in Blackface."
5). President Obama "has a certain rootlessness, a deracination."
6). President Obama Is "Afraid Of Free Black Men."
7). President Obama is "a global George Zimmerman."
8). Dr. Harris-Perry is "a fake and a fraud"
9). Dr. Michael Eric Dyson "is a sellout."
10). Al Sharpton "is a sellout."
11). MSNBC is the "Rent a Negro Network."
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Yet, when comedian Steve Harvey called him an Uncle Tom, he said, "When you are trying to talk about issues that affect the people, name calling gets in the way. Name-calling is nothing but another weapon of mass distraction."
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So name-calling is only objectionable when it’s directed at him. Such unmitigated hypocrisy is mind boggling - but for once, he’s right. Not one of the above assertions is a disciplined, constructive, or scholarly assessment of the facts. On the contrary, they're the reckless and intellectually undisciplined rants of a bitter, self-serving, and severely discredited academic fraud.
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For Cornel West, there’s something ‘racially defective’ about every Black person who has the audacity to preempt Cornel West from the limelight. West has a propensity for trying to denigrate the character of people whose been in the trenches for years, while West, himself, has done absolutely nothing beyond running his mouth. In order to gain clear evidence of that fact one simply has to ask oneself, what efforts have West made to try to improve the plight of the Black community?
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1). Is he in the community teaching 3rd grade to help ensure a better education for our children, or teaching at an Historically Black College or University to help "enlighten" young Black students?
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No. He’s never taught at a school that more than 1% of Black students can even afford to have lunch in throughout his entire career. He’d rather gain props for teaching the children of the economic elites, who he CLAIMS, is the enemy, whenever he MANAGES to do a
"Drive-by" in the hood.
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2). Is he in the community teaching our young men to cherish, honor, and respect our Black women - the very womb of our culture?
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No. He’s out trying to sell books filled with inane and misleading information, doing $30,000 an hour speeches, and trying to become a hip hop star.
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3). Is he advising his good friend and business partner, Tavis Smiley, to be consistent with his sermons by being "accountable" to the community, and returning the money that he made on the Wells Fargo "Ghetto Scam" loans that he helped to herd over 30,000 poor minorities into? Or is he out getting arrested in support of the Black Friday Demonstrations against Wal-Mart, the most prolific abuser of poor workers in the world?
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Nope, not a peep.
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The same is true of West's former puppeteer, Tavis Smiley. He can go all over the country in a bus criticizing President Obama in his Wal-Mart sponsored "Poverty Tour," and find the time to go "Dance With The Stars," but couldn't spare even a second of his time to walk down the street from his office to support the demonstration by Wal-Mart employees?
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Nope, all we've heard from Smiley regarding Wal-Mart abuse of poor workers is crickets
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So what West, Smiley, and their ilk actually see coming from the community regarding their criticism of President Obama is Black outrage over their indulging in the crabs-in-a-barrel tradition that was inbred in us as slaves. Black people recognize that many of President Obama’s Black critics, including Cornel West, aren’t really interested in policy; they’re just using public policy as a pretext for attacking the President himself, and they’re so steeped in their Willie Lynch mentality that they either don’t realize, or don’t care that they’re doing a grave disservice not only to the African-American community, but to Black people all over the world.
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Because the fact is, many of Obama’s White conservative critics aren’t really interested in policy either. Like Obama’s Black critics, they have an ulterior motive as well, but their motive has nothing to do with crabs-in-a-barrel. Their primary motive is defending their claim of White superiority, and President Obama, in his soft-spoken, laid-back way, is dragging that claim through the mud. That’s why racists and conservatives hate him so.
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Conservatives recognize, as we all should - and especially Black people - that President Obama is not just another president. President Obama is the most high-profile symbol of Black competence in the world. In addition, what he has accomplished is the perfect equivalent of a conquered slave rising to become the emperor of Rome - and, one of its greatest emperors. So Barack Obama is going to be remembered by posterity as one of the greatest men in ALL of human history, and his story will be inspiring Black children a thousand years from now.
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Racists and conservatives recognize that fact, so naturally, they’re desperate to tear down Barack Obama’s image, and build up the image of criminals like Ronald Wilson Reagan, and there is no excuse for Black idiots like Tavis Smiley, Cornel West, and Boyce Watkins not to recognize that fact. That’s what makes them so detestable. Instead of trying to help racists tear down this Black icon, they should be offering RESPECTFUL suggestions in an attempt to ensure that Barack Obama is remembered as one of the greatest Presidents that this nation has ever had, even if they have to drag him up Mt. Rushmore kicking and screaming. But instead, they’re allowing themselves to be pointed to by racists who are claiming, "See, even Black people know he doesn’t live up to the standard of White presidents."
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Thus, people like Smiley and West are giving their own egos, self-service, and their Willie Lynch-inspired need to tear-down a Black historic icon priority over Black history, and the role that history is going to play in helping to raise the self-concept of the Black culture. In short, they’re trying to sabotage the self-esteem of Black children who are yet unborn. The mere thought of that kind of ignorant selfishness is absolutely disgusting - and especially when clothed in faux scholarship.
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So Cornel West and the others like him are not Black leaders, they’re clueless Black cultural afflictions, and if I wanted to take even more time (maybe I'll do it in a book), I could methodically take apart every argument that they've put forward against President Obama. But the short version is, there are some things we have to do for ourselves - and with good reason.
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As alleged "educated" men, they should all realize that Obama is merely President Obama, not King Obama. The United States Constitution is very specific in giving SOLE power over spending to the House of Representatives, which is controlled by Republicans (that’s why they could refuse to pay the light bill and shutdown the government). So President Obama can’t do a damn thing for us without getting the Republicans to go along with him. That’s why he has to slip us everything on the down-low, because if the GOP know it’s for us, they’re going to dig-in, and if Obama goes to war against them over the issue, they're not going to allow him to do anything for ANYBODY. And as President of ALL the people, he can't allow that to happen, so he has to wrap Black interests in the interest of ALL the people.
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FORMER OBAMA CRITIC AND
NOBEL PRIZE WINNING ECONOMIST
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In addition, as a thinking man (unlike many of you), Obama realizes that he has to think about precedents. If he grandstands like many of you suggest and say, "This is what I'm going to do for Black people," what are you going to do when the next White president says, "This is what I'm going to do for White people?" And he'll justify it by calling it "The Obama Doctrine."
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So Cornel West, Tavis Smiley - and also you others who share their backward-thinking proclivities - you need to use some of that alleged brain power to think, instead of burning it up trying to maintain your image, or attempting to hide your true motivations for attacking this President. I didn’t hear you saying a damn thing when Bush was in office. So you can try to clothe your true motivations in a tux, but it still has the funky smell of Willie Lynch all over it.
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Eric L. Wattree
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Religious bigotry: It's not that I hate everyone who doesn't look, think, and act like me - it's just that God does.
Comments
Note black unemployment at 7.3 in 2000 - compared to the 10.9% today, lowest since sometime in 2008.
One can hope for a better future, no? Nothing more can be done?
1998 9.4 9.3 9.2 9.1 8.9 8.8 9.5 8.8 9.1 8.6 8.6 7.7
1999 7.8 8.2 8.0 7.8 7.4 7.7 8.7 7.7 8.5 8.4 8.0 7.8
2000 8.2 8.1 7.4 7.0 7.7 7.8 7.7 7.9 7.3 7.3 7.3 7.4
by PeraclesPlease on Sun, 11/30/2014 - 4:13pm
The Black unemployment rate has been twice as high as the unemployment rate for Whites for decades. One variable not taken into account in pure unemployment numbers is that Blacks tend to be more persistent in trying to find jobs than Whites. Since unemployment only counts people actively looking for jobs, job-seeking persistence increases the number listed as unemployed.
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/why-is-the-black-une...
Given the current makeup of Congress what do you propose to decrease Black unemployment?
by rmrd0000 on Sun, 11/30/2014 - 6:37pm
Well it is obvious. Take away all hope. The Republicans are halfway there (at least) -- let's see: they have Congress, the Supreme Court, most of the state legislatures, and many governorships -- oops! I guess they are 90% there. Well as Scarlett would say, "Fiddlededee!"
if people whose very LIVES depend on voting don't bother, then we are doomed.
Anyone care to cheer me up?
I didn't think so.
by CVille Dem on Sun, 11/30/2014 - 9:31pm
We've been doomed, ever since the majority of mankind and their leaders chose to go on a different path, rather than follow the course of righteousness.
Cheer up
Deliverance is near
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 2:58am
There have been a host of people who have opined about the end times since the beginning of Christianity. Since no one knows the time or hour when the end is coming, it is a little presumptuous to assume that one has special insight. Some will still be looking for the end decades from now.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 8:32am
No fear of judgment, leads to all kinds of perversions of justice.
The fear of God is a state of mind, that produces the benefits, the world of mankind seeks.
If there is no fear of God or the fear "that the end is near" Many people will just continue putting off changing there lives, to please God.
They wouldn't see the need, that the world of mankind needs to listen to the Creator, a Superior Authority. Who rewards and punishes based upon individual action.
You shall not steal or you should not murder etc. should be written on all the peoples hearts. From Kings to servants, the law applies to all
To ignore these principles, displeases the one who wants UNIVERSAL HARMONY.
Criminalsbadness goes from bad to worse,when there is no need to fear judgment.Prevent or control the
badnesscancer or it leads to death. Just as in the Days of NoahIf people live their lives, knowing any day, could be judgment day, even the unforeseen day of their own death; sincere hearted people make the needed changes NOW, because the people , want to be judged worthy of receiving the promised reward, because they brought their lives into harmony with the Law.
If their is no fear of judgment, what stops the wicked from taking what they want now,
We see it in the attitude of those who would ruin the Earth; Instead of being good stewards of the Earth they have "No fear of judgment" , "It isn't their problem.
What does the racist care if disharmony and strife prevail? They don't care about harmony. No fear of judgment?
What does the military industrialist care? No fear of judgment?.
If a police officers murders an innocent victim? No fear of judgment?
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 9:48am
Fear is a survival mechanism and is useful Fear can also be irrational. An infection outbreak can be attached by courageous people of left to spread by the fearful. Slavery can be attacked as an abomination before God by the courageous of left to fester by those who stand on the sidelines.
Fear can keep you from developing antibiotics or antiviral agents because you are certain that these are the end times. Your fear keeps you from finding solutions. Fear can keep you from seeing slaves as worthy of freedom or Hispanic children who come to your border as worthy of aid. Your fear that the slave will be free to compete for your job or the stranger will be intelligent enough to compete with your child for a college scholarship makes you do nothing. Your fear freezes you in your boots and allows suffering to abound.
Overcoming fear is a good thing. There is judgment when you allow fear to rule over you. "Why did you ignore suffering?" ....""I was afraid" is a pitiful answer. There is judgment for taking no effort to free the slave or care for the stranger.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 10:25am
According to you and your view to the flesh.
Freeing the slaves, by engaging in a horrendous war and the killing of thousands in a civil war, wasn't a command handed down to Christians; who were told to "beat their swords into plowshares".
Christians are commanded to care for those in Jesus's flock.
Someone dumped millions of unattended minors off at our border for a purpose, someone helped them get to the border in the first place.
If you feel you need to address this. GO FOR IT I haven't stopped you nor any one else in providing aid, to whomever your choose but don't impose your conscience on others who tend to those who are in need already in this country.
Where was the Church in dealing with the problem, or did the some Churches create the problem to create a crisis to be exploited for political gain?
Your problem is always; if people don't care for those you feel should be taken care of somehow this is supposed to be condemned.
Make your sacrifices to who ever you want.
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 12:50pm
We have been through this before. You make a call for action and then say that it is not proper to take action. Let others do the work that you won't do. It is an inconsistent argument. You have remarked that you understand why some would want to harm Obama, but do not understand why the citizens of Ferguson are upset. Inconsistent.
What should workers do to make their plight known?
What should the people of Ferguson do to make their plight known?
Should they both take your advice to shut up and go home?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 1:03pm
Nothing to be gained by it. you'd only twist more of my words so you'd have more to argue about.
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:08pm
I didn't think you could mount a defense for your inconstancy. You just give another snippet. You are not the one who decides my spirituality. You just hide try to hide the fact that your stements are all over the map.
Should workers just shut up and go home? Should people facing an abusive legal system just shut up and go home? Yes or No?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:05pm
Tavis Smiley and Cornel West Ducked The Walmart...
I really don't care to get in the mud with you.
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 11:10pm
Yup
No defense.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 12:03am
And thus the same excuses in 2009 when Dems had both houses? No hope, no change.
Of course the same man recognized the social perversion that endless war brings - recognize the Tea Party vibe in this?
Once upon a time Republicans had a few sane leaders, like Dwight Eisenhower -
So how's that war spending doing as Blacks are told to makde do with less, settle for only twice the unemployment as whites, be content with entrenched 2nd class citizenship and 2nd class prosperity?
Short answer - no peace dividend. As Obama plays with the others, resisting reasons to finally depart from the Mideast, our defense spending is entrenched as well - too much to ever allow social programs or even education to be funded adequately. It's easy to blame this on the Republicans, but Obama ceded this battlefield from the beginning - he's a "let's get along" type who actually thinks all this expense is needed, and that social programs are for whiners. Here's the net result - Raytheon must be pleased.
" Poverty Pimps" is just another hippie-punching line like Reagan used to use - "looks like Jane, smells like Cheetah" - guess we can take glee in being contemptuous even as we get our asses kicked. If only Obama had such a sound financial plan for workers' wages or education or God forbid actually lowering health costs.
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 1:28am
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 3:12am
Consistently inconsistent. The violence during Debs' time gets a pass. MLK Jr. Was in error. The Ferguson protestors should shut up and go home because by reminding people about a broken Justice system, they are delaying the Black Friday ripoff.
When people do put on their marching shoes, you object. You make an exception for Debs who ridicules Jesus Christ.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 8:36am
I understand the criticism. My question is what your plan is to attack the problem now.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 7:00am
By changing the heart.
Become pleasers of God rather than men.
What is your plan NOW to accomplish that?
by Resistance on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 8:44am
I have no plan that would cover all men in women, even those here in the United States. I take this challenge to mean that you have an immediate solution?
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 9:01am
More MLK:
MLK was Poverty Pimp supreme, indeed - I guess Cornel West is supposed to show more obeisance to the Commander-in-Chief to get a few scraps from the defense table focused on wages and jobs? You can't separate Ferguson & other abuse of blacks in the street from the steady eroding of black opportunity and status. Obama might say "I'm president of all the people", but when the super-religious said they objected to abortion, he gave them an out in the Affordable Care Act. When conservatives said, "we're worried about the debt", he initiated an austerity program. When bankers said, "we can't survive if our top people lead" he let them continue with bonuses for bankrupt bankers at tax-payer subsidized banks. When oil companies wanted to drill, he opened up the Gulf of Mexico. The only groups that seem to resist Obama's benevolence & penchant for "exceptions" & "exceptionalism" to reach across that aisle are 1) liberals and 2) Black Americans. As the saying notes, "the shoemaker's children go unshod".
by PeraclesPlease on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 4:54am
Good news today, RM.
I was informed that President Obama is following me on Twitter. Now all I have to do is come up with something worth his listening to. He might reverse his decision when he reads my latest article, because it reveals that I'm the quintessential hood rat. I hope he can get past the fact that, that doesn't diminish the value of my thoughts. But I think he can, because he's something of a hood rat himself, with all of the attendant knowledge that entails. With his own history, I'm sure he recognizes that adversity is a source of knowledge, so all of the adversity that we've had to endure makes us more, rather than less.
by Wattree on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 6:55am
Congratulations
The coming years will be difficult give n the new Congress. The Republicans will be full of fire. They can barely contain their racism. Guiliani has gone full on racist. A staffer for a repupican Congressman has essentially called the Obama daughters sluts and the Obama's usurpers in the White House. There is no word that she has been fired.
As you have noted, the circular firing squad from the Left including West and Smiley will still opening on what Obama isn't doing with no viable plan of their own. We will hear of non-existent third party possibilities. No Democratic candidate will pass muster. Despair will abound.
But on the ground we have the Dream Defenders, Moral Mondays, and the offshoots of the Ferguson protests. The opposition is well funded with a communication apparatus ready to spread information. The folks on the ground have facts. If the Republican economic plan in Kansas spreads throughout the country, the stark realization will be that the emperor has no clothes. The outlook for Democrats will be better. Hopefully Elizabeth Warren can remind the party that they actually need to stand for something.
I hope you had a great Thanksgiving, and again congratulations.
by rmrd0000 on Mon, 12/01/2014 - 8:28am
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 10:10am
The question would be where would the economy be if Wall Street crashed? There has been job creation
http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-rea...
What would you do now?
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 10:54am
I can do a lot of job creation with multi-trillion dollar handouts - given to the right people.
So you're pro-bonuses for Wall Street bankers on government life-support? Bail out auto investors with 100 cents on the dollar?
During the peak unemployment years, I was against Obama's austerity deal with Republicans that cut lots of traditionally black jobs in government.
Sounds like you want to shift into "don't look back, look forward" mode. Quite a luxury to be able to ignore the recent past.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 2:26pm
Do you have numbers on what the impact on the economy would have been if the financial institutions and the auto industry went belly up?
There are data indicating that the government made a profit on TARP
http://theweek.com/article/index/253892/the-us-auto-bailout-is-officiall...
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 3:02pm
Do you have proof that not giving rich bankers sweetheart deals and traders huge bonuses would have caused the economy to go belly up? Nice try. Obama trickle-down effecters, unite - you have nothing to lose but your stock options!
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 4:17pm
Deride the economy under Obama if you, I think that his policies ended the Great Rececess
Here is Danny Vinik of the New Republic
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/119781/obamas-economic-record-strong-...
Here is Paul Krugman
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/krugman-obama-among-the-most-suc...
I think that historically, he will be viewed positivity given the situation he faced.
Now tell us all the magical things you would have gotten through Congress if you were in charge at the beginning of the Obama Presidency.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 5:03pm
Those supporting Obama always ask us to prove that more could have been passed through a republican house. Neither of us can replay history. I think more could have been done. You think he got the best deals possible. I can't prove more could have been done but you also can't prove he got the best deals possible.
But I do think a good case can be made that Obama didn't try to get more passed. That he made a promise to be bipartisan and he sincerely tried. That he was quick to compromise and rarely got anything in return for those compromises. Obama was not a hardball negotiator. I think the evidence is overwhelming that is true. That leads me to believe that given the crisis a more hardball approach could have resulted in more progressive legislation.
While that's a matter of opinion its a matter of fact that Obama's DOJ did little to punish those who caused the economic crash. That has nothing to do with the republicans in congress. It was totally a political and policy decision to not seek criminal charges for bankers and Wall Street.
by ocean-kat on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 6:16pm
I have been reflecting on why I am not as upset by the Wall Street guys going unpunished as you are. I realize that my priorities are not your priorities. As pathetic as you find Obama, I find him a good enough buffer between me and a Republican Party that has gone full bore racist. I realize that you won't understand my priorities and I realize that I don't care. So when you call me an Obama supporter, I smile.
TARP turned a profit. As another dagblogger noted, we have the Duck Dynasty Congress coming up. I'll stick with Obama until the end of his Presidency. I look at action taken on Gay Rights, immigration, voting rights, the economy, etc. and I'm good.
I wish that I could get more fired up about Wall Street, but I can't. When you come up with a better real world alternative, give me a call.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 11:10pm
It is you that is inconsistent. You cry about the poverty and despair in the Black communities and yet you don't really help them.
It turns out its all bluster, to give the appearance you care; not even realizing your inconsistency.
You smile because you are oblivious / mindless to the fact; you are complicit in the crimes committed against all Americans
Instead you welcome 15 million undocumented workers, who will compete for the same jobs the uneducated blacks need, to lift them from the wretched condition they find themselves in.
There is only so much tax revenue, allocated for welfare and your support for Open borders, cuts the amount available for our own American families, by supporting those who don't care about the plight of Americans
American taxpayer money should go to support American taxpayers.
Money that can be used to help develop the Black and NATIVE Americans community and to serve their needs
Money needed to address Poverty in America; conditions that contribute to discontent and mistrust.
If the churches or individuals want to be charitable, let them use their own personal revenue, not the taxpayer money collected.
by Resistance on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 12:05am
Reading is fundamental. TARP made money for the citizens of the U.S. recognizing immigrants allows them to operate In the open and pay taxes giving more money into the tax coffers.
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 7:02am
I suspect the majority of the new amnestied immigrants will make as much as our very own poor.
Making minimum wages and with the help of welfare they barely survive
(Walmart workers on food stamps)
Taxes? What can the poor Americans pay in Taxes, towards helping themselves that doesn't exceed what they have paid in?
Get it through your head; working class Americans are overly burdened now with trying to care for our own Nations poor.
109,631,000 Americans lived in households that received benefits from one or more federally funded "means-tested programs" 2012
Whose jobs and workers are these new immigrants going to replace? Seniors? Blacks? Teens? American single mothers?
Welfare Spending The Largest Item In The Federal Budget
Add an additional 5 -15 million to be cared for. Which program in the preceding ( link) Budget analysis, should be cut?
by Resistance on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 8:19am
Here is a different assessment of the impact of immigrants on the economy
http://reason.com/archives/2013/04/16/dont-believe-what-youve-heard-abou...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 10:48am
See at bottom of post
by Resistance on Thu, 12/04/2014 - 2:34pm
Nonsense. This has nothing to do about priorities. This is a discussion site. You're one of the most prolific commenters here voicing your opinions on almost every thread on almost every subject.. That's not a criticism, just an observation. I have no clue what your priorities are given how every subject discussed here has your input. I reserve the same right to comment on as many subjects as I choose.
As a buffer between you and a racist republican party is a rather small bore view of government. I guess that's the fundamental difference as to why you are so happy with Obama and I am not. I expect much more from government that to buffer me from a republican party gone insane.
I realize that you won't understand my priorities and I realize that I don't care
I never understand why people post crap like this. The whole purpose in coming to this site as opposed to others is to engage in discussion of some length and depth. That rarely happens elsewhere as most discussion on other sites is short snarky comments. More like a twitter feed than a discussion. I take it as a given that no one here really cares about anyone else here. We're almost all strangers to each other here. Very few of us will ever meet each other face to face. I mean really, I realized before I read my first post that I don't care whether you, or anyone, understands me. Of course you don't care about me and I don't care about you, duh. The only thing that brings me here is the discussions and whether they are interesting to read or engage in. The question is do I learn something from the time spent here.
I'll stick with Obama until the end of his Presidency.
What's your point? I post in support of the president when I support him. I criticize the president when I disagree with him. I can't imagine why anyone would do anything different. I supported the auto bail out. If it's racism that's your major priority I supported the president when he spoke after the arrest of H. Gates. When he backed down in the face of criticism by police groups I didn't support that. I've been supporting the president's executive order on immigration. The only thing I can imagine you mean when you say you'll stick by the president is that you're admitting to be a partisan hack willing to spin and lie no matter what the president did or does, "until the end." I see that as being as crazy as the tea party.
To return to the question you brought up. The idea that more could have been accomplished is not some crazy left wing notion. Its been expressed by moderate democrats in both the house and senate. Just recently in this article about Sen Tom Harkin.
He argues they could have been persuaded to vote for the legislation if Obama had put more effort into lobbying them.
“The House passed public option. We had the votes in the Senate for cloture,” he said.
“There were only three Democrats that held out and we could have had those three,” he added. "We had “[Sen.] Mark Pryor [D-Ark.] so we could have had Lincoln. We could have had all three of them if the president would have been just willing to do some political things but he wouldn’t do it."
Of course there is no way to prove how history could have been different. But Harkin was a co-author of the ACA, deeply involved in the process and well informed in the details. His thoughts on the subject are worth considering.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 4:48pm
You are correct. I was dismissive and I apologize.
I respect Senator Harkin, but his recollection may be slightly flawed. A WaPo article about Landrieu reviews the events of the passage of Obamacare. The initial Senate bill passed because all 60 Democrats voted in favor of the bill. There was cloture. When the combined Senate House bill came up there were 56 Democrats voting for the bill. Given the loss of Senate Democratic votes, it is hard to believe that there would have been cloture on singe-payer. It strains the imagination that then Senator Ben Nelson (D-Nebraska) would have voted in favor of single payer given his vote against a less strong Senate-House bill. I don't see single payer having cloture.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2013/11/22/did-mary-...
The linked article sums up many of my feelings
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/democrats-hindsight-chuck-schumer-obam...
by rmrd0000 on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 5:41pm
Let me explain why I hate articles like your TPM link, and so many of the articles at TPM that are like it. In the second sentence it creates a strawman the rest of the article is designed to knock down. "The defeat was totally avoidable, we are asked to believe, if only Barack Obama and/or the Democratic Party had behaved differently!"
Schumer wasn't saying that. I haven't read anyone saying that, though I suppose its possible to find someone making that argument. Furthermore this is not just, "Monday morning quarterbacking" There was much discussing of what some felt was a misguided two year long focus on health care during the worse recession since the Great Depression.
I wonder if this reporter even bothered to listen to the speech. Schumer's statement about the ACA was an extremely tiny portion of the speech, but its the part that got the most media coverage. In this article and elsewhere it was the only part the got any media coverage.
This superficial reading of the speech, the gross misinterpretation, and the hyperbolic strawman this article created makes it impossible to have a reasoned discussion of the speech. There is much I agree with in Schumer's speech, some I disagree with. But the article you linked is neither an accurate portrayal nor a fair appraisal of the speech.
by ocean-kat on Wed, 12/03/2014 - 9:22pm
I looked the article as an explanation of the roadblocks put in front of Obama. I thought the speech ws just Shumer being Shumer.
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/04/2014 - 8:05am
OMG - he's comparing Obama to Reagan? uh, yeah, Reagan had lots of problems with the economy. If it weren't for Republican whitewashing, Reagan would be remembered as a rather iffy president economically and otherwise. Read some David Stockman critiques on trickle-down. The man who launched a thousand tax-cuts and penchant for deficits and the S&L Crisis. But even with the S&L Crisis, bankers paid and people went to jail.
by Anonymous PP (not verified) on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 2:34pm
Yes he compared Obama to Reagan as Carter or Clinton could be compared to Reagan.if it makes you feel better, read the articles by Vinik and Krugman noted in response to your post above this one.
by rmrd0000 on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 5:05pm
That is quite a honor. I bet that made your day.
by trkingmomoe on Tue, 12/02/2014 - 2:26pm
rmrd, the article you linked to so full of BS and maybe’s.
From the article you provided
Hmmm does that mean out of the 5 to 15 million 51 % won’t need welfare? Putting possibly 9 million more workers, onto an already overwhelmed welfare system?
What about the American workers that were displaced? Will they now need welfare assistance?
If the American worker now forced to accept less in wages and replaces; the Amnestied replacement workers, will these new workers have to get on welfare?
How do you suppose the American labor force can ever force wages higher, when industry and manufacturing can increase the supply of labor?
Try to demand $15.00 per hour, when now thousands of more workers will apply for the same job, but will accept minimum wages.
by Resistance on Thu, 12/04/2014 - 2:38pm
You have your opinion.. People who have actually looked at the data tend to find increased wages and decreased consumer costs. But of course, opinion supersedes facts.
https://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/labor/news/2013/03/20/5735...
There have been studies showing depressed wages, but they used a different methodology.
http://www.hamiltonproject.org/papers/what_immigration_means_for_u.s._em...
by rmrd0000 on Thu, 12/04/2014 - 3:56pm
More liberal propaganda?
No wonder the Democrats will keep losing in the National Elections; accept in their local liberal government projects
You wrote
From one of you’re linked articles
LIES and more LIES
High unemployment is harmful to the US Budget and without government assistance, to support welfare, many American families would be in trouble. Letting an additional 5 to 15 million more workers into his country, to compete for the available jobs, (that haven't been exported to areas with cheaper labor costs)
STAGNATION of wages is harmful
Especially considering your opinions are not even close to the facts Just more liberalism lies.To confuse the dummies ?
by Resistance on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 7:22am
You have your opinion. You quote from a review of economic studies and call the analysis lies ( in caps). When we look for the counter you have to these studies, we have your opinion.
BWAHAHAHAHI
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 10:13am
Economic studies, with an agenda.
Those with COMMON SENSE understand the deception performed by certain studies
Evidently you couldn't see the study was skewed and written in a way, to deceive the less informed?
You talk about protecting members of the Black community, yet you support programs that will hurt the black working class.
Not only are you inconsistent, you stand in the way of progressive action to protect the American working class, instead you have become just as this Nations earliest enslavers.
Same ol objective The
BlacksLatinos will do the jobs, American workers wont do .by Resistance on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 12:30pm
I can see that you have your opinion. Just like climate change deniers have an opinion and anti- vaxxers have an opinion. The thing lacking is that those opinions are not supported by the facts.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 12:26pm
"Wages were unharmed," were the lies you offered, as facts.
by Resistance on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 12:34pm
Resistance, I referred you to the studies. You complain that they are biased because they don't agree with your opinion.
by rmrd0000 on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 2:14pm
The link was double speak.
I don't believe any one with credibility or a brain, would say stagnant wages are good
Your link defended a false premise, that wages were not affected by immigrant labor.
LIES intended to be used by prior administrations and the current Obama administrations to give them cover, for the contempt, for the American Labor movement and Black communities who need the jobs the new immigrants will be taking.
Pressure to cause dissension amongst the rank and file of labor.
Fighting for the crumbs that fall from the masters table.
Your inconsistent comments, of what group to defend; proves the (masters) agenda is working.
Blindness?
The new slogan "These new immigrants will do the work the Blacks wont do" .
If welfare is cut, what work will be available for the low skilled American working class?
by Resistance on Sat, 12/06/2014 - 3:55pm