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Gather round, children, and I will tell you the story of Chanukkah (which I brazenly lifted from the internet).
Long ago in the land of Judea there was a Syrian king, Antiochus. The king ordered the Jewish people to reject their God, their religion, their customs and their beliefs and to worship the Greek gods. There were some who did as they were told, but many refused. One who refused was Judah Maccabee.
Judah and his four brothers formed an army and chose as their name the word "Maccabee", which means hammer. After three years of fighting, the Maccabees were finally successful in driving the Syrians out of Israel and reclaimed the Temple in Jerusalem. The Maccabees wanted to clean the building and to remove the hated Greek symbols and statues. On the 25th day of the month of Kislev, the job was finished and the temple was rededicated.
When Judah and his followers finished cleaning the temple, they wanted to light the eternal light, known as the N'er Tamid, which is present in every Jewish house of worship. Once lit, the oil lamp should never be extinguished.
Only a tiny jug of oil was found with only enough for a single day. The oil lamp was filled and lit. Then a miracle occurred as the tiny amount of oil stayed lit not for one day, but for eight days.
Gather round, adults, and I will tell you what really happened (as best we know)...
In 334 B.C.E., Alexander the Great conquered Judea along with rest of the Middle East. His reign was notable for religious tolerance, though he imported Hellenistic practices to the lands he conquered and offered tax breaks to grecophones. After Alexander died without an obvious successor, his generals squabbled over the empire and ultimately broke it into three parts. One of the generals, Seleucus, won control of the westernmost part, which stretched from Turkey to India and became known as the Seleucid Empire.
Antiochus IV Epiphanes was the eighth ruler of the empire. He initially continued Alexander's practices of religious tolerance and Hellenist influence, which many Judeans embraced enthusiastically. From the first Book of Maccabees:
At that time there were some evil-doers in Israel who tried to win popularity for a policy of integration with the surrounding nations. It was because the Jews had kept themselves aloof for so long, they claimed, that so many hardships had befallen them. They acquired a following and applied to Antiochus, who authorized them to introduce the Greek way of life. They built a Greek gymnasium in Jerusalem and even had themselves uncircumcised.
The conflict between grecophiles and traditionalists was suffused with political intrigue. When the High Priest died in 175 B.C.E, his pro-Greek son Jason bribed Antiochus to be made High Priest in place of his anti-Greek brother, Onias. Then Menelaus, another grecophile who wasn't even a member of the High-priestly family, bribed Antiochus to replace Jason. When Antiochus left to invade Egypt, Jason took advantage of the opportunity to forcibly win back his position. Upon returning from the semi-successful Egyptian campaign, Antiochus interpreted Jason's move as an insurrection. That's when he outlawed Jewish religious practices and slaughtered those who resisted.
According to the Book of Maccabees, Mattathias, the leader of a conservative priestly clan known as the Hasmoneans, refused to make an offering to Greek gods as commanded by a Greek official. When another Judean attempted to make an offering on his behalf, Mattathias killed him, along with the Greek official, and fled with his five sons to the mountains. His son, Judah, adopted the nom de guerre of Judah Maccabee and launched a holy war against Antiochus, employing guerrilla tactics to defeat the larger Greek-Syrian army. After winning Judean independence, the Hasmonians established a religious dynasty which survived until the Romans interceded and placed Herod on the throne.
As for the miracle of the oil, the first Book of the Maccabees doesn't even mention it.
Some Chanukkah trivia for you:
Perceptive Dagblog readers know the difference between Obama, Romney and Bush:
Obama NYT today: .how President Obama’s thinking about what he once called “a war of necessity” began to radically change less than a year after he took up residency in the White House....The aide told Mr. Obama that he believed military leaders had agreed to the tight schedule to begin withdrawing those troops just 18 months later only because they thought they could persuade an inexperienced president to grant more time if they demanded it. “Well,” Mr. Obama responded that day, “I’m not going to give them more time.”...Mr. Obama concluded in his first year that the Bush-era dream of remaking Afghanistan was a fantasy...
Mitt Romney, Feb. 2012 : LAS VEGAS -- LAS VEGAS -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday night blasted President Obama and his administration for “putting in jeopardy” the nation’s military mission by signaling it hopes to end its combat mission in Afghanistan by the middle of 2013.
Appearing at a campaign rally here shortly after landing in Nevada, Romney said Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta’s statement Wednesday that U.S. forces would transition from a combat mission in Afghanistan next year “makes absolutely no sense.”....
George W. Bush, from May, 2003: BBC - "We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide... Free nations will press on to victory,"
Bush Afghanistan strategy : Gen. Douglas E. Lute, who had spent the last two years of the Bush administration trying to manage the many trade-offs necessary as the Iraq war consumed troop and intelligence resources needed in Afghanistan, arrived with a PowerPoint presentation. The first slide that General Lute threw onto the screen caught the eye of Thomas E. Donilon, later President Obama’s national security adviser. “It said we do not have a strategy in Afghanistan that you can articulate or achieve,” Mr. Donilon recalled three years later. “We had been at war for eight years, and no one could explain the strategy.”
Mitt Romney isn’t very far into the vice presidential selection process. But according to a dedicated band of conspiracy theorists, the pick is all but a lock: Sen. Marco Rubio.
That’s the current thinking among a worldwide collection of activists who are obsessed with the secretive Bilderberg Group, an alternating roster of global power players who loom as large — if not larger — in the online fever swamps of the fringe as the Trilateral Commission or the Council on Foreign Relations.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76518.html#ixzz1vN5egowz
Aristotle and Plato didn’t agree on much, but they were united in identifying wonder as the origin of their profession. As Aristotle said, “It is owing to their wonder that men . . . first began to philosophise.” This idea appeals to scientists, who frequently enlist wonder as a goad to inquiry. “I think everyone in every culture has felt a sense of awe and wonder looking at the sky,” wrote Carl Sagan in 1985, locating in this response the stirrings of a Copernican desire to know who and where we are.
Yet that is not the only direction in which wonder may take us. To Thomas Carlyle, wonder sits at the beginning not of science, but of religion. That is the central tension in forging an alliance of wonder with science: will it make us curious, or induce us to prostrate ourselves in pitiful ignorance? We had better get to grips with this question before we too hastily appropriate wonder to sell science. That is surely what is going on when pictures from the Hubble Space Telescope are (unconsciously?) cropped and coloured to recall the sublime iconography of Romantic landscape painting, or the Human Genome Project is wrapped in biblical rhetoric, or the Large Hadron Collider’s proton-smashing is depicted as “replaying the moment of creation”. The point is not that such things are deceitful or improper, but that if we want to take that path, we should first consider the complex evolution of the relation between science and wonder.
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Pretending that science is performed by people who have undergone a Baconian purification of the emotions only deepens the danger that it will seem alien and odd to outsiders, something carried out by people who do not think as they do. Daston believes that we have inherited a “view of intelligence as neatly detached from emotional, moral and aesthetic impulses, and a related and coeval view of scientific objectivity that brand[s] such impulses as contaminants”. It is easy to understand the historical origins of this attitude: the need to distinguish science from credulous “enthusiasm”, to develop an authoritative voice, to strip away the pretensions of the mystical Renaissance magus who acquired knowledge through personal revelation. We no longer need these defences, however; worse, they become a defensive reflex that exposes scientists to the caricature of the emotionally constipated boffin, hiding within thickets of jargon.
... We’re trying to harness photosynthesis. A key part of photosynthesis is what happens when the sun goes down. Cells convert CO2 into sugar and fat molecules. And they store the fat to burn as energy to get them through the night ... We’re trying to coax our synthetic cells to ... store far more fat than they actually were designed to do, so that we can harness it all as an energy source and use it to create gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel straight from carbon dioxide and sunlight. This would shift the carbon equation so we’re recycling CO2 instead of taking new carbon out of the ground and creating still more CO2. But it has to be done on a massive scale to have any real impact on the amount of CO2 we’re putting into the atmosphere, let alone recovering from the atmosphere.
... We envision facilities the size of San Francisco. And 10 or 15 of those in this country. We need sunlight, seawater, and non-agricultural land, but you need a lot of photons to drive this. You need a lot of surface area of sunlight to do that. It’s a great use for Arizona. Lots of sunlight there.
... If we can’t get some key scientific breakthroughs within the next couple of years, it probably won’t happen in 10 years. So it’s something that’s really dependent on fundamental science. But we’re already able to do things that were once seen as impossible.
... I think the new anti-intellectualism that’s showing up in politics today is a symptom of our not discussing these issues enough. We don’t discuss how our society is now 100 percent dependent on science for its future. We need new scientific breakthroughs—sometimes to overcome the scientific breakthroughs of the past. A hundred years ago oil sounded like a great discovery. You could burn it and run engines off it. I don’t think anybody anticipated that it would actually change the atmosphere of our planet. Because of that we have to come up with new approaches. We just passed the 7 billion population mark. In 12 years, we’re going to reach 8 billion. If we let things run their natural course, we’ll have massive pandemics, people starving. Without science I don’t see much hope for humanity.
The grecophiles "even had themselves uncircumcized?"
Forget that stuff about the oil; there's your real miracle.
Please don't use the expression 'goyim' for gentiles. It's potentially as offensive as 'nigger'.
From Wikipedia:
So it's offensive only to the uneducated.
No, you have it wrong. It's offensive to non-jews. Do you like non-jews calling you kikes?
Who are you to be labelling other people?
I'm Genghis
No you're not.
I'm Ghengis!
There's only room on this blog for one Genghis (by any spelling).
You can be Genghis Sycophantic Poser #42, Esq.
Genghing up on people again, eh?
That's "poseur", to rhyme with "loseur"
The Esq. is short for "esque", as in "Genghesque" or "Grotesque" or "Demonesque" or "Creme Besque", the man (ascribed loosely) who put the "Sick" in "Sickophant".
And since he's learning to be a goiter slinger, we're going to have to strum along a bit in harmony, hum if you don't know the words. Just wait till he gets his own mariachi band - north of the border. The Herb Alpert of Manitoba, if that thought doesn't excite you.
And we knew him before he was almost famous. Almost brings up tears, no?
Arggghh, you uneducated schmuck - you deliberately cut out the relevant part.
Not that I care about the word or feel offended - I think I sometimes use the term in a Jewish context, Or maybe it's just the Yiddish in me that brings out the shicksa in you?
But if the Free Dictionary and Wikipedia note a word being offensive in English, then there's probably a reason and it might ought be avoided [unless you're a standup Jewish comedian or an irreverant blogger], no?
[and no, I don't buy that it's as offensive as n******]
[and 'gentile' comes across as 'sissy' in my head]
[and linguistically, I think 'CH' is a single letter - some languages treat the combination as a single letter in their alphabet - ...f g h ch i j k.....]
[and then there's 'goyls' and 'gargoyls']
Yeah, leaving out that bit is extremely misleading. I think the word "uneducated" isn't accurate, however. "Dishonest" might be better.
That said, I think knowing Genghis the way we do, we can be quite certain that no offense was intended and on these border-line cases I think that's enough for me. Some words can be rehabilitated, and I think this is one of those words, if for no other reason than its comedic value. (I might be wrong, but I suspect that I value comedy more than you.)
No, *YOU'RE* the Vulgarian.... [please Google before comment]
I'm not sure which definition you're going for, so I'll say either, yeah, I'm the vulgarian, or no, it's clearly jr.
Humerus - not just a bone in your arm.
Interesting how an essay spammer brought this three-year old thread back to life. Oh, how I miss Jorn Barger. What a great goy!
PS If you're out there googling, Jorny, we're still here.
I have to say that having written Blowing Smoke in the interim, I now understand Mr. Barger's comment in a whole new light.
Jorny is a self-hating anti-Semite who projects his own feelings of intolerance onto Jews. In other words, his obsessive campaign against the G-word is an effort to rationalize his own bigotry.
I like that turn of phrase, "potentially as offensive as." Really, what label is not "potentially as offensive as 'nigger'?" Take a label, add a pejorative connotation, sprinkle in a few centuries of oppression and degradation, and voila, instant radical offensiveness. Just the other day, Orlando was complaining about an Iraqi spokesperson who said of the shoe-thrower, "He cried like a woman" (while he was getting the shit kicked out out of him). So there you go. The guy used the word "woman" pejoratively, we've already got the centuries, nay millenia of oppression and degradation. I hereby declare "woman" to be as "potentially as offensive as 'nigger'," and I forbid anyone from using it on this site. Orlando may use it among her female friends, but if anyone who is not a female person uses it on this site to refer to people of the opposite gender, I will ask someone to scrub it from the record.
For the curious viewing audience, goy is a Hebrew word for nation, and the Bible actually uses the term to refer to the Jewish people. But over time, the connotation has changed, so that in Hebrew and Yiddish, goy essentially means gentile or gentile nation, as GeoffreyKzhn notes in the prior comment. Goyim is the plural form.
But some argue that when used by English speakers, goy can have negative connotations and is therefore as potentially as offensive as "nigger." Alan Dershowitz, in one of his many books, The Vanishing American Jew, offers up a particularly odious example: "In the 1985 film The Last Dragon, billed as a kung-fu comedy, some of the action takes place in a noodle factory named 'Sum Dum Goy'." Shocking, no? That's like a Chinese slur and a gentile slur all rolled up into a giant stinking potentially as offensive as "nigger" ball of political incorrectness. It's a shande!
So to all my gentile friends and readers and other passerby, please accept my heartfelt apology. I did not mean to refer to you perjoratively. Whenever I think of you non-Jews, I feel all happy and tingly inside. I love you goys!
Stop whining. You sound like a girl.
I got a goiter for Channukah.
Thanks Ma.
So this is pretty fascinating. Our new friend, Jorn Barger, is the guy who coined the term weblog, or else he's spoofing the guy who created the term weblog. But the link in his username does go to Barger's blog, and Barger has a history of antisemitism. If you google "Jorn Barger goyim", you'll see that this guy has been going around offering variations of the same comment on other blogs that use the term, goy. I plan to write a full post on this later.
Barger does seem oddly fixated on the word, even objecting to a blogger who announced, "Merry Christmas to my goyim friends and readers." What an unpardonable slur!
Blogging can range from coolly reasoned and third-person to informal, personal, even intimate. Dagblog trends toward the latter. I read your headline as shorthand for, "I'm Jewish, you're probably not, but I have something to tell you from that perspective." Cramming lots of data into a five-letter word. (As do most borrowings that gained some currency in English: shiksa, mensch, yenta. Why five letters? I dunno.)
Could goy or goyim be "potentially offensive?" Sure, in an inappropriate context, like a serious discussion of the Gaza crisis. If I hit that word there, I would read it as, "OK, non-Jews, you can stop reading now. I'm not talking to you any more."
Still, despite Barger's claim, you'd have to surround the word with lots of pejoratives for it to come even remotely close to being as offensive as the unadorned word "nigger." I have some sympathy with rappers who have tried to take possession and rehabilitate that word, but unless Obama himself starts using it, I don't think it'll make into the mainstream. Of course, I didn't give "queer" much chance either, and it has battled its way back to quasi-respectability.
Finally, this whole digression was worth it just for the line, "I love you goys."
Thanks I loved this page. The comments I'm not sure about. I too consider the term goyium as offensive. Not as offensive as the "N" word but still offensive enough. If I am really your friend how come the connotation? I like to say hello to my friends? no, my GOYIUM friends. Which could be seen similar to someone saying. I like to say hi to my BLACK friends. Why not just friends? Do you refer to people that don't have an understanding of your job with a word as well? If so is it a derogitory term?
I have no doubt that the OP meant it in the best possible way . I'm just saying it elicits the same response that I would get if I refered to you as Pagan. You probably would have no problem with the word but might be bothered that I keep refering to you with that label. As if that label says all I need to know about you to make a judgement.
acanuck - The word is offensive because it is used that way. If I called a jewish person a goy they would not only correct me they would be deeply offended. Why? because of the way it is used and understood inside jewish culture. same way I would be offended if I was called a pagan all the time by my Christian friends. Not because of the word itself but because of what it means to person using it. Unfortuantely as the rappers found out. You can't use a label or word a certain way and expect the way it was used and still is used in some parts to be forgotten or void of its intently negative connotation.
That said. I think it was appropiately used in this article. It is obviously an article for people that don't understand the meaning and celebration of the jewish holiday so it appropiately is addressing the "non-jewish" reader. I wouldn't be offended in this instance as it seems a proper use of the term. However, this not how I hear it used most of the time. Thanks for the information and best wishes for us all.
The Chinese word for foreigner - 'gweilo' - means 'foreign devil'. The Japanese term 'gaijin' is now often avoided because of pejorative connotation.
Strangely enough, terms of exclusion often come across negatively. Go figger.