Donal: Is Occupy Over?
Ramona's Piece de la Resistance (Including Pics of Obama, Romney, FDR)
dagblog To Give Away Logoed Hairshirt To Most Effective Lamenter Of Left's Ineptitude
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Donal: Is Occupy Over? Ramona's Piece de la Resistance (Including Pics of Obama, Romney, FDR) dagblog To Give Away Logoed Hairshirt To Most Effective Lamenter Of Left's Ineptitude |
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Occupy Baltimore Livestream picked up by 1100 Global Revolution viewers as OB general assembly discusses the group's responses to Parks and Recreation's deferment of issuing a permit. A banner on GR claims that Baltimore po-lice "promise to remove OB at midnight," but a Baltimore Sun editorial claims that it is all an over-reaction by OB.
Occupy Baltimore has clarified their original statement:
On Monday, Occupy Baltimore received word that the Department of Parks & Recreation Department has not approved their permit application, and instead suggested a compromise that would allow Occupy Baltimore to continue to occupy McKeldin Square indefinitely without a permit during the daytime hours, but limit overnight presence to a maximum of 2 people, and restrict the encampment as a whole to a smaller corner of the Square (full text below). The city has asked for an answer to the proposed deal by Wednesday Oct 26th and stated that if Occupy Baltimore agrees, they will not be removed from the park for failing to obtain a permit. Should Occupy Baltimore refuse to comply with the requests to limit the overnight presence, then the city "has the right to terminate these special accommodations," though no specific date for termination has been announced. In preparation for any possible intervention by the city, Occupy Baltimore participants are issuing a general call for all allies to join the encampment starting tonight to support and protect the group sustaining the occupation at McKeldin Square.
... which does sound like the city wants a drastic reduction in the OB presence.
Perceptive Dagblog readers know the difference between Obama, Romney and Bush:
Obama NYT today: .how President Obama’s thinking about what he once called “a war of necessity” began to radically change less than a year after he took up residency in the White House....The aide told Mr. Obama that he believed military leaders had agreed to the tight schedule to begin withdrawing those troops just 18 months later only because they thought they could persuade an inexperienced president to grant more time if they demanded it. “Well,” Mr. Obama responded that day, “I’m not going to give them more time.”...Mr. Obama concluded in his first year that the Bush-era dream of remaking Afghanistan was a fantasy...
Mitt Romney, Feb. 2012 : LAS VEGAS -- LAS VEGAS -- Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney on Wednesday night blasted President Obama and his administration for “putting in jeopardy” the nation’s military mission by signaling it hopes to end its combat mission in Afghanistan by the middle of 2013.
Appearing at a campaign rally here shortly after landing in Nevada, Romney said Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta’s statement Wednesday that U.S. forces would transition from a combat mission in Afghanistan next year “makes absolutely no sense.”....
George W. Bush, from May, 2003: BBC - "We do not know the day of final victory, but we have seen the turning of the tide... Free nations will press on to victory,"
Bush Afghanistan strategy : Gen. Douglas E. Lute, who had spent the last two years of the Bush administration trying to manage the many trade-offs necessary as the Iraq war consumed troop and intelligence resources needed in Afghanistan, arrived with a PowerPoint presentation. The first slide that General Lute threw onto the screen caught the eye of Thomas E. Donilon, later President Obama’s national security adviser. “It said we do not have a strategy in Afghanistan that you can articulate or achieve,” Mr. Donilon recalled three years later. “We had been at war for eight years, and no one could explain the strategy.”
Mitt Romney isn’t very far into the vice presidential selection process. But according to a dedicated band of conspiracy theorists, the pick is all but a lock: Sen. Marco Rubio.
That’s the current thinking among a worldwide collection of activists who are obsessed with the secretive Bilderberg Group, an alternating roster of global power players who loom as large — if not larger — in the online fever swamps of the fringe as the Trilateral Commission or the Council on Foreign Relations.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76518.html#ixzz1vN5egowz
Aristotle and Plato didn’t agree on much, but they were united in identifying wonder as the origin of their profession. As Aristotle said, “It is owing to their wonder that men . . . first began to philosophise.” This idea appeals to scientists, who frequently enlist wonder as a goad to inquiry. “I think everyone in every culture has felt a sense of awe and wonder looking at the sky,” wrote Carl Sagan in 1985, locating in this response the stirrings of a Copernican desire to know who and where we are.
Yet that is not the only direction in which wonder may take us. To Thomas Carlyle, wonder sits at the beginning not of science, but of religion. That is the central tension in forging an alliance of wonder with science: will it make us curious, or induce us to prostrate ourselves in pitiful ignorance? We had better get to grips with this question before we too hastily appropriate wonder to sell science. That is surely what is going on when pictures from the Hubble Space Telescope are (unconsciously?) cropped and coloured to recall the sublime iconography of Romantic landscape painting, or the Human Genome Project is wrapped in biblical rhetoric, or the Large Hadron Collider’s proton-smashing is depicted as “replaying the moment of creation”. The point is not that such things are deceitful or improper, but that if we want to take that path, we should first consider the complex evolution of the relation between science and wonder.
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Pretending that science is performed by people who have undergone a Baconian purification of the emotions only deepens the danger that it will seem alien and odd to outsiders, something carried out by people who do not think as they do. Daston believes that we have inherited a “view of intelligence as neatly detached from emotional, moral and aesthetic impulses, and a related and coeval view of scientific objectivity that brand[s] such impulses as contaminants”. It is easy to understand the historical origins of this attitude: the need to distinguish science from credulous “enthusiasm”, to develop an authoritative voice, to strip away the pretensions of the mystical Renaissance magus who acquired knowledge through personal revelation. We no longer need these defences, however; worse, they become a defensive reflex that exposes scientists to the caricature of the emotionally constipated boffin, hiding within thickets of jargon.
... We’re trying to harness photosynthesis. A key part of photosynthesis is what happens when the sun goes down. Cells convert CO2 into sugar and fat molecules. And they store the fat to burn as energy to get them through the night ... We’re trying to coax our synthetic cells to ... store far more fat than they actually were designed to do, so that we can harness it all as an energy source and use it to create gasoline, diesel fuel, and jet fuel straight from carbon dioxide and sunlight. This would shift the carbon equation so we’re recycling CO2 instead of taking new carbon out of the ground and creating still more CO2. But it has to be done on a massive scale to have any real impact on the amount of CO2 we’re putting into the atmosphere, let alone recovering from the atmosphere.
... We envision facilities the size of San Francisco. And 10 or 15 of those in this country. We need sunlight, seawater, and non-agricultural land, but you need a lot of photons to drive this. You need a lot of surface area of sunlight to do that. It’s a great use for Arizona. Lots of sunlight there.
... If we can’t get some key scientific breakthroughs within the next couple of years, it probably won’t happen in 10 years. So it’s something that’s really dependent on fundamental science. But we’re already able to do things that were once seen as impossible.
... I think the new anti-intellectualism that’s showing up in politics today is a symptom of our not discussing these issues enough. We don’t discuss how our society is now 100 percent dependent on science for its future. We need new scientific breakthroughs—sometimes to overcome the scientific breakthroughs of the past. A hundred years ago oil sounded like a great discovery. You could burn it and run engines off it. I don’t think anybody anticipated that it would actually change the atmosphere of our planet. Because of that we have to come up with new approaches. We just passed the 7 billion population mark. In 12 years, we’re going to reach 8 billion. If we let things run their natural course, we’ll have massive pandemics, people starving. Without science I don’t see much hope for humanity.
Here is Occupy New Hampshire last night debating 2nd amendment rights, and whether to ask members not to carry firearms.
So, how did the debate end up?
Do these people eve get tired of looking like they need a good beating?
not cool
Sorry you can't see the truth.
maybe you could enlighten everyone here and give some specific details of those looks which you see that would lead one to conclude that the individual deserved a good beating. and maybe just how thorough of a beating would said look entail? is this just a good fist and kicking beating, or would you advocate baseball bats in order for the beating to achieve the "good" level?
Those little guttersnipes don't even use Robert's Rules to make decisions ... no filibuster ... NOTHING! Baseball bats seem a bit tame - steel-toes are definitely called for.
Oh, I think we can see the truth all right. Again, the attacks always reveal more about the attacker.
http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/treatment/nonviolc.htm
Things are moving along slowly in Boulder. I have learned much about they way that the operate in OWS that they did not do in Denver. Last night was a Facilitation Working Group and the depth and heart of the conversation was quite moving.
Some of us have been discussing putting a strong emphasis on 'the power' of non-violence.
I found another article last night that shows that non-violent movements are twice as successful as violent ones.
I am just searching for ways to invite the anarchists to have a reason to join the rest of us in non-violence especially in light of the brutality being acted out by police. I think it is important to consider who is pulling the strings when the police come in and behave like this.
It seems crazy though that they fight the Occupy Movement in this way. It will just cause people to regroup and grow stronger.
interesting little snipet of live stream at 1:30 am ET - after a little discussion about using the bathroom at the 24 hour Subway store, and how the "guys" there are cool about it, but at the same time making clear they don't patronize the corporation, the news that Atlanta police are using tear gas to disperse people.
With all the police actions against Occupy sites, I can see why the OB folk read the worst into that city memo.
What really irritated me is that the Sun editorial was still carrying water for the discredited Big Government smear.
A banner on OB's Livestream claims that the AFL-CIO, firefighter's and police unions sent a letter to Mayor Rawlings-Blake asking that the city stand down from evicting OB from McKeldin Fountain.
But OB's blog is less sanguine:
Occupy Boulder's Direct Action Working Group just passed a proposal to Occupy 12 to 6 daily and to seek legal support to keep us advised of our rights as we move toward a more physical occupy presence.
Prior to last week they were meeting just Saturdays for a few hours so this is a big shift. We have some people ready to jump in and camp but so far people have been pushing towards compliance with the law over civil disobedience. As the group grows I know that some will feel so strongly they will camp and that will be it... it will begin. But it wouldn't hurt to develop a relationship with some local lawyers now.
It is remarkable to me that so many elected leaders think that they can handle this movement the way they are. They are helping this movement grow and grow stronger with every wrong move they make.
Today one of the members of the direct action committee shared something he heard from someone at OWS.
We are demonstrating our demand... we want direct democracy. We are demonstrating direct democracy. Our process is our demand... I think that is how he said it.
I was looking through tweets coming in about OWS taking the streets in solidarity with the Occupy Oakland and the wounded marine.
As soon as I heard they hurt a marine i thought 'they know not what they have done', expect something big and it's already happening.
I also just got a tweet from #Occupy Marines
TEARS STREAM AS CITY COUNCIL UNANIMOUSLY AGREES ‘OCCUPY TENTS ARE A FORM OF SPEECH’ | Occupy Orange.
Boulder City Council had action pending to end corporate personhood for the City of Boulder and they apparently like the idea that Occupy Boulder could help them with that. So I have contacted Occupy Orange County to learn about their process to see if we might be able to get a similar ruling for full time occupation in Boulder CO.
Fingers crossed.
Wow. You are totally kicking butt with this. Sweet. Sure beats fighting with HuffPo to post a couple measly links, eh?
Curious, what's the makeup of the Boulder group? I've been in a bit of a debate over if the typically-sympethetic-to-this-message rightish folks would (a) be attracted in the first place (b) successfuly co-exist with the typically leftish folks without the two killing each other. DK's reports seem to show surprising Tea Party involvement in NH (and my predicted reaction from the lefterns in the event of the twain meeting) ... wondering what some of the rest of the groups are looking like.
I missed it, but apparently *someone* put on a "occupy Coeur d'Alene" march the other day that got quite a few people to show up. The Spokane group's fire is dwindling a bit with the new burst of cold; but the police and city council have been atypically non-suppressive (police brutality is depressingly common in Spokane) - aren't giving them a hard time for camping and gave 'em a kitchen permit and port-a-potty.
Latest developments in the global Occupy protests:
IOW, a commuter's version of Occupy.