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I certainly recall a few

Desider — Tue, 24 May 2011 09:23:06 +0000

I certainly recall a few bloggers - white and black - who seemed to have that as their only reason, but then again you always have people with single focus on 1 issue, whether it's a cure-all disposition or simply think it's the most important issue to confront.

That said, I think most people were trying to figure out who would fix the melting economy and get us out of Iraq/Afghanistan quickest. The senile cantankerous old vet and his deer-in-the-headlights tape recorder side kick didn't inspire all, but still managed to pull 46% of the vote.

Trotting out Rosenberg as

Obey — Tue, 24 May 2011 06:50:45 +0000

In reply to I agree with her on that.

Trotting out Rosenberg as representative of a segment of the population? That guy is so many kinds of stupid wrapped up in one that I don't think you can take him as an example of any particular type. The man is unique.

As for racists proud to vote for a black man, sure. But I don't see there a tendency to have voted for Obama just for the sake of voting for a black man. In any case I haven't met these people.

I don't know. It's a running

Obey — Tue, 24 May 2011 06:31:30 +0000

In reply to The point is he didn't say it

I don't know. It's a running theme with this administration - of the various insults emanating from the WH, calling leftists 'sanctimonious' - that one from Obama himself - strikes me as much worse than 'fucking retarded' or the other cracks coming from underlings. I see a pattern, a culture of contempt. To each his own...

Thank you, Stilli, for

Ramona — Tue, 24 May 2011 04:56:03 +0000

In reply to Thank you guys all so much

Thank you, Stilli, for starting this thread and for staying calm throughout! It's been fascinating and a true learning experience.

You're speaking for me here, too:

At the very least, I recognize that the left needs to continue to be vocal about the changes they want to see in the country, while at the same time recognizing that we live in the country the way it is, not the way we want it to be. I continue to believe in baby steps forward over no steps at all or moving backwards.

Thank you guys all so much

stillidealistic — Tue, 24 May 2011 03:47:36 +0000

In reply to Sometimes The Voice of Truth Makes Me Want To Vomit

Thank you guys all so much for the interest shown in this post. We've covered a lot of ground, and I really appreciate you helping me think my way through it. I really have learned a lot the last couple of days. I've watched and read every link provided, and I'm continuing to mull it all over.

At the very least, I recognize that the left needs to continue to be vocal about the changes they want to see in the country, while at the same time recognizing that we live in the country the way it is, not the way we want it to be. I continue to believe in baby steps forward over no steps at all or moving backwards. I would love to move left faster, but seriously, with the newly energized move sharply right we are experiencing in this country, it ain't gunna happen. We'll be lucky not to lose the progress we've made.

Maybe once the economy recovers (if it does) people will open up to the idea of helping each other again. Right now, there seems to be more of a push to protect the rich and hope they take care of the rest of us. Good luck with that.

The point is he didn't say it

Ramona — Tue, 24 May 2011 03:34:18 +0000

In reply to Fair enough. But when his

The point is he didn't say it and you keep saying he did. You're also suggesting he authorized it when he obviously didn't--or wouldn't.

Thanks much for the link.

EmmaZahn — Tue, 24 May 2011 03:21:25 +0000

In reply to I am betting you will

Thanks much for the link. This paragraph quoting Adam Serwer is so good:

Growing up mixed you sometimes face a kind of confusion. Those around you press you to make a choice about how much of yourself you're willing to give up, how much you're are willing to pretend in order to claim membership in one club or another. West demands to know why Obama isn't sitting at the black table in the dining hall, while reminding him that he's only welcome there by his graces. What you eventually learn is that peace is not something the "gatekeepers" have to offer and is the last thing they want you to find. Eventually you learn the rules of the game are silly and destructive, and who you are can't be negotiated either way.

As I have learned over the

stillidealistic — Tue, 24 May 2011 03:14:26 +0000

In reply to A suggestion: try reading his

As I have learned over the past few days, Dr. West is an interesting character. He supports PETA for crying out loud! He CAN'T be all bad! LOL!

As for being a Socialist? I used to think that was a bad thing. But anymore, I see unfettered capitalism to be even worse in some respects. I think we need to come up with a uniquely American blend of the two...incentives to produce, and the need for ALL to contribute to society in some way, but a safety net for all, as well.

There is much wrong with this country. There are inequities all around us, and the voices that point them out need to be heard, not just the ones that are trying to protect the wealthiest amongst us.

Sometimes those voices are hard to hear because of the WAY they say what they say, but that doesn't mean that we should ignore them. We need to dig through the crap and hear the important stuff.

I think that it's been pretty

we are stardust — Tue, 24 May 2011 02:46:22 +0000

In reply to Speculating that both Gibbs

I think that it's been pretty well-stablished that it was a concerted effort of the administration to distance itself from the Left wing of the Democratic Party. It may have been a good strategy then, or even now, but it was not accidental. Gibbs goes out with instructions; Rahm? He may just pop off, but likely knows what he's doing most of the time.

I agree with her on that.

artappraiser — Tue, 24 May 2011 02:42:00 +0000

In reply to Go a few comments upthread, I

I agree with her on that. M.J. Rosenberg comes to mind as an excellent example of reverse racist support of Obama for president; used to sometimes make me nearly sick to my stomach . For over a year he waxed poetic man love for the young black face running for president even though from his blogging history it was clear he disagreed with nearly every policy statement Obama ever made. I could see no reason for his support except for his excitement over the color of Obama's skin. And he'd call Hillary supporters racist because they didn't support Obama.

My own father to this day has got some serious racist tendencies from his Depression era upbringing, and bragged to all and sundry about his vote for Obama proving he's not a racist, especially to his half-Afro-American granddaughter who has learned well to roll her eyes behind her grandfather's back.