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(I found your interesting Dag

Jake — Mon, 13 Jun 2011 03:05:00 +0000

(I found your interesting Dag Blog while cruising. Also ran into this web goodie!)

PRETRIB RAPTURE – HIDDEN FACTS !

    How can the “rapture” be “imminent”? Acts 3:21 says that Jesus “must” stay in heaven (He's now there with the Father) “until the times of restitution of all things” which includes, says Scofield, “the restoration of the theocracy under David’s Son” which obviously can’t begin before or during Antichrist’s reign. ("The Rapture Question," by the long time No. 1 pretrib authority John Walvoord, didn't dare to even list, in its scripture index, the too-hot-to-handle Acts 3:21!) Since Jesus can’t even leave heaven before the tribulation ends (Acts 2:34,35 echo this), the rapture therefore can't take place before the end of the trib!
Paul explains the “times and the seasons” (I Thess. 5:1) of the catching up (I Thess. 4:17) as the “day of the Lord” (5:2) which FOLLOWS the posttrib sun/moon darkening (Matt. 24:29; Acts 2:20) WHEN “sudden destruction” (5:3) of the wicked occurs! The "rest" for "all them that believe" is tied to such destruction in II Thess. 1:6-10! (If the wicked are destroyed before or during the trib, who'd be left alive to serve the Antichrist?) Paul also ties the change-into-immortality “rapture” (I Cor. 15:52) to the posttrib end of “death” (15:54). (Will death be ended before or during the trib? Of course not! And vs. 54 is also tied to Isa. 25:8 which is Israel's posttrib resurrection!)
   Many are unaware that before 1830 all Christians had always viewed I Thess. 4’s “catching up” as an integral part of the final second coming to earth. In 1830 this "rapture" was stretched forward and turned into a separate coming of Christ. To further strengthen their novel view, which the mass of evangelical scholars rejected throughout the 1800s, pretrib teachers in the early 1900s began to stretch forward the “day of the Lord” (what Darby and Scofield never dared to do) and hook it up with their already-stretched-forward “rapture.” Many leading evangelical scholars still weren’t convinced of pretrib, so pretrib teachers then began teaching that the “falling away” of II Thess. 2:3 is really a pretrib rapture (the same as saying that the “rapture” in 2:3 must happen before the “rapture” ["gathering"] in 2:1 can happen – the height of desperation!).
   Other Google articles on the 181-year-old pretrib rapture view include “Famous Rapture Watchers,” "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," “X-Raying Margaret,” "Edward Irving is Unnerving," “Thomas Ice (Bloopers),” "Walvoord Melts Ice," “Wily Jeffrey,” “The Rapture Index (Mad Theology),” “America’s Pretrib Rapture Traffickers,” “Roots of (Warlike) Christian Zionism,” “Scholars Weigh My Research,” “Pretrib Hypocrisy,” "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," “Deceiving and Being Deceived,” and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" – all by the author of the bestselling book “The Rapture Plot” (see Armageddon Books).

PRETRIB RAPTURE POLITICS

Joan — Tue, 24 May 2011 04:53:21 +0000

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   PRETRIB RAPTURE POLITICS

   Many are still unaware of the eccentric, 181-year-old British theory underlying the politics of American evangelicals and Christian Zionists - the same craze behind Harold Camping's May 21, 2011 "rapture" fizzle.
   Journalist and historian Dave MacPherson has spent more than 40 years focusing on the origin and spread of what is known as the apocalyptic "pretribulation rapture" - the inspiration behind Hal Lindsey's bestsellers of the 1970s and Tim LaHaye's today. (No one else has had the same historical focus for 40 months or even 40 weeks.)
   Although promoters of this endtime evacuation from earth constantly repeat their slogan that "it's imminent and always has been" (which critics view more as a sales pitch than a scriptural statement), it was unknown in all official Christian theology and organized religion before 1830.
   And MacPherson's research also reveals how hostile the pretrib rapture view has been to other faiths:
   It is anti-Islam. TV preacher John Hagee has been advocating "a pre-emptive military strike against Iran." (Yahoo or Google "Roots of Warlike Christian Zionism.")
   It is anti-Jewish. MacPherson's bestselling nonfiction book "The Rapture Plot" (see Armageddon Books etc.) exposes hypocritical anti-Jewishness in even the theory's foundation.
   It is anti-Catholic. Lindsey and C. I. Scofield are two of many leaders who claim that the final Antichrist will be a Roman Catholic. (Yahoo or Google "Pretrib Hypocrisy.")
   It is anti-Protestant. For this reason no major Protestant denomination has ever adopted this escapist view.
   It even has some anti-evangelical aspects. The first publication promoting this novel endtime view spoke degradingly of "the name by which the mixed multitude of modern Moabites love to be distinguished, - the Evangelical World." (MacPherson's "Rapture Plot," p. 85)
   Despite the above, MacPherson proves that the "glue" that holds constantly in-fighting evangelicals together long enough to be victorious voting blocs in elections is the same "fly away" view. He notes that Jerry Falwell, when giving political speeches just before an election, would unfailingly state: "We believe in the pretribulational rapture!"
   In addition to his "Rapture Plot" book, MacPherson's many internet articles include "Famous Rapture Watchers," "Pretrib Rapture Diehards," "X-Raying Margaret," "Edward Irving is Unnerving," "America's Pretrib Rapture Traffickers," "Thomas Ice (Bloopers)," "Pretrib Rapture Secrecy," "Pretrib Rapture - Hidden Facts," "Deceiving and Being Deceived" and "Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty" (massive plagiarism, phony doctorates, changing of early "rapture" documents in order to falsely credit John Darby with this view, etc.!).
   Because of his devastating discoveries, MacPherson is now No. 1 on the "hate" list of pretrib rapture leaders!
   There's no question that the leading promoters of this bizarre 19th century end-of-the-world doctrine are solidly pro-Israel and necessarily anti-Palestinian. In light of recently uncovered facts about this fringe-British-invented belief which has always been riddled with dishonesty, many are wondering why it should ever have any influence on Middle East affairs.
   This Johnny-come-lately view raises millions of dollars for political agendas. Only when scholars of all faiths begin to look deeply at it and widely air its "dirty linen" will it cease to be a power. It is the one theological view no one needs!
   With apologies to Winston Churchill - never has so much deception been foisted on so many by so few!

My post doesn't, but my book

Michael Wolraich — Mon, 23 May 2011 22:07:15 +0000

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My post doesn't, but my book does.

Your post explains why the

Anonymous Guy — Mon, 23 May 2011 20:42:00 +0000

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Your post explains why the reich-wingers became all the more looney post GWBush.

When conservatism failed and ruined the economy the nuts embraced it all the more.

Awesome exercise, hendmik.- I

Michael Wolraich — Mon, 23 May 2011 16:29:51 +0000

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Awesome exercise, hendmik.

- I imagine myself to be irreverent but usually endorse mainstream views and worry about offending people.

- I think of myself as a relatively hip guy and like to ridicule hipsters who try too hard but on some level realize that I myself try too hard and am not really that hip at all. (It's a double-dissonance.)

- I'm a strict vegan, but I mutilate puppies and bunny-rabbits for kicks. (TMI?)

So, it's really easy to

hendmik — Mon, 23 May 2011 16:10:12 +0000

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So, it's really easy to identify cognitive dissonance in others (the comments here are case in point). But we all do it. Some are unfortunate to do it more publicly and overtly where it affects their life savings and their relationships, but it's just another degree of the same behavior we all do.

I did my fair share of mocking them, but then started thinking how I may unconsciously do the same thing.

So here goes: I challenge anyone who reads this to reply with a way you engage in cognitive dissonance resolution, no matter how big or small. I'll start. I tell myself I'm open minded and accepting while openly criticizing those I don't agree with. I excercize twice a week then complain I'm not losing weight.

You?

This theory does explain why

RepubAnon — Mon, 23 May 2011 12:27:43 +0000

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This theory does explain why the Tea Party exists: after Reaganomics failed, the true believers became more fanatical than before - hence the Tea Party.

I guess that Jesus™ had other

cmaukonen — Sun, 22 May 2011 02:35:27 +0000

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I guess that Jesus™ had other things to take car of. Like watching Spider Man 3 or something.

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cmaukonen — Sat, 21 May 2011 19:05:45 +0000

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Mindwalk was not at Netflix

EmmaZahn — Sat, 21 May 2011 18:20:57 +0000

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Mindwalk was not at Netflix but found it at Google videos. Not sure how long it will be there. I read that Google was discontinuing its video service. It is rather redundant now that it has YouTube.

Here is link. Could not get embed to work for me. Put it below in case it works for others.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9107401959308808776#