dagblog - Comments for "Patrick Kennedy's Orders from the Vatican and the Abuse Scandal"

I understand why YOU think

Sean — Thu, 10 Dec 2009 07:56:51 +0000

In reply to I find it interesting that

I understand why YOU think it's funny. I see that you all hate Sarah Palin too. You guys are stereotypes.

I realize your dogma has been updated, invested now with priestly molestation and hierarchical cupidity to hang over the Catholic Church, the rattenest organization in the history of the universe. No need to lug in Crusades or Inquisition - but you will keep throwing Galileo in our faces.

The priestly scandal is over now. The pope is getting rid of unworthy bishops. Find a new tack now. Oh, wait, you ahve it! Keeping good Catholics like Patrick Kennedy from Communion because he has abandoned Catholic teaching for the much more liberal idea of murdering babies in their mothers' wombs.

But that brings us back where we started. If Patrick Kennedy was at all honest he'd leave and become an Episcopalian which allows any perversion and just ignores the teaching of Jesus so they can say they love humanity.

Well, since we are back where we started, and you folks are none the wiser - or at least pretend not to be - there is no more need for me to clutter up your sorry universe.

Be sure to take your final digs. Folks like you set great store in having the last work. As for me, I know when to stop.

MERRY CHRISTMAS! HAPPY NEW YEAR AND GOD BLESS YOU

God know you all need it badly. (My final dig! - just to give you a springboard, Orlando, Nebton and good ol' Dr Cleveland)

Sean

I find it interesting that

Nebton — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 17:41:57 +0000

In reply to Yes - the bishops have given

I find it interesting that you tell me:

Your brush is very wide and you want to tar the entire episcopacy with it.

because I have the audacity to call out the Catholic leadership (not the "entire episcopacy") for their failure to properly handle the molestations. Yet, you then write:

Having worked wiithin the Los Angeles archdiocesan offices, now completely overrun [emphasis added] by feminist nuns (and ex-nuns and married nuns who refuse to leave their orders) demanding ordination, abortion rights and more awareness of global warming. They are secularized gnostics, of course.

Presumably, you don't even recognize why I find that funny.

I've taken your advice and

Nebton — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:29:25 +0000

In reply to Yes, I keep saying it because

I've taken your advice and provided all of the scientific articles that suggest life begins at conception: If you feel that I've omitted any articles in the previous list, feel free to add to it.

So, let me get this straight:

Nebton — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 16:19:47 +0000

In reply to I haven't made up anything.

So, let me get this straight: seeking facts and sources (AKA for you to "justify" your wild claims) makes me anti-intellectual? I think you're the one from Hollywood. They love to make up stories. (Of course, theirs are usually more believable, like Independence Day.)

PS: I've noticed that if you do have sources, you've got no problem "justifying" your points, but when you get caught in a fabrication, you suddenly "don't feel any need to justify [yourself]".

Pardon - I made see I wrote

Sean — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:20:46 +0000

In reply to Yes - the bishops have given

Pardon - I made see I wrote too quickly - I meant the Lavender Mafia

Sean

Yes - the bishops have given

Sean — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 14:18:39 +0000

In reply to Let me attempt to summarize

Yes - the bishops have given up much of their authority to be seen as more "democcratic". I suggest you read more about Dr Fred Berlin who tricked the bishops into believing that molestors can be cured. Having worked wiithin the Los Angeles archdiocesan offices, now completely overrun by feminist nuns (and ex-nuns and married nuns who refuse to leave their orders) demanding ordination, abortion rights and more awareness of global warming. They are secularized gnostics, of course.

As regards your paragraph about bishops, I agree with you pretty much entirely. The bishop put the facade ahead of the substance. They hired thug lawyers to intimidate parents into silence. They shuffled priests around without accountability. And when everything bit them in the behind, they said a lot of nice words then continued in the same old liberalistic way - pretend there is not problem. I wrote about this in my Tidings column 2002 that the bishops had done nothing to protect children, the most beloved of Christ's flock as the gospels all agree. However Dr Cleveland, you seen unaware of the chain of command in the Church. The bishops to not answer to their superiors. They have no superiors. In their dioceses each is the vicar of Christ. True, Rome can overrule them, the national conference night, but it just doesn't happen. Collegiality has seen to that.

As happened to JPII throughout his pontificate, his encyclicals were politely read and the bishops applauded his scholarship and sanctity - and then relegated them to the circular file. AmChurch prefers Rome to keep its distance.

Oh, and I very much agree with you - humility has been lacking in the hierarchy for decades. That, I'm happy to say, is ending. B16 is appointing a lot more worthy men as bishops and the priests coming out of the seminaries are of a lot more spiritual breed than has been ordained in the last 40 years. I take it Dr Cleveland is not familiar with the "pink mafia" in seminaries that did some pretty vulgar and sacrilegeous things.

As for the colleges, sorry to disagree with you, Dr. Those facts came from the Newman Guide. And I gave the links. Sorry you are not aware of the great confusion in Catholic campuses. You have had the facts. I suggest you look at them more closely rather than attempting to bully me with your harumphing,

The problem I see with your attempt to explain me, Dr, is that you do not believe the Catholic Church is a spiritual institution. You see the facade the bishops tried to protect and not the substance.

Bishop Tobin is hoping to protect Patrick Kennedy from going to hell as a public sinner, who also is leading others astray. It makes no difference if you believe abortion is good, the Catholic Church does not. Patrick Kennedy professes to be a Catholic. If so, he should abide by the rules of the organization of which he is a voluntary member.

Now you quoted some statitstic, Dr, about what average Catholcis think. And what difference does that make? Catholicism is not run by the majority which changes evry other year. If we did, we'd be like the 1000s of sects that spring up with some new version of the Gospel. Mob rule is ahorrent to Cathtoli spirituality.

We believe that we are guided by "the Spirit of Truth who will lead you into all truth" (John 1613). All truth is not some of the truth. Not part of the truth. It is ALL the truth. If the Church says abortion is a sin (which it hs since about AD 70 in the Didache) then it is sin. You don't like that? Fine. Stay out.

If Patrick Kennedy had any courage, as I have said before, he wd leave the Church. I wd have much more respect for him. As it is now, he is just an embarrassment - same as John Kerry, Nancy Pelosi, Rosa DeLauro (D-Conn, former executive director of Emily's List - who was too cowoardly to continue an interview when I asked how a "good Italian Catholic" as she called herself cd front for an organization that funds women's campaigns based solely on their promotin abortion), and the other psuedo=Catholics who demean the Church with their presence.

THEY, much more than the bishops, Dr Cleveland, are the true hypocrites.

Your note... "for Sean most American professors of Catholic theology aren't bona fide Catholics" ... Yes, that's so. An overwhelming percentage of professors of Catholic theology in Catholic universities and colleges do not have the mandatum from the local bishop that is necessary to teach Catholci theology. (See the Apostolic Constitution, Ex Corde Ecclesia). A good many professors of Catholic theology are not even Catholic.

"Bishop Rourke, who invented this new communion-denial policy, and champions its theology, has since been rewarded by becoming Archbishop Rourke of St. Louis. More recently, he has been appointed to a seat on the Congregation of Bishops,"

You mean Bishop Burke.

And the rule he upheld was not new or made up by him. It is in Canon Law and has been the rule of the Church since the 1st century. I suggest you read the letters of St Ignatius of Antioch, St Irenaeus of Lyons St Cyril of Jerusalem on the matter.

Public sinners, as well as those promoting sinful behavior are liable to excommunication or, may be denied reception of the Most Holy Eucharist as a mater of discipline for one thing, and to keep them from sacrilege for another.

Dr Cleveland - I still maintain that you do not know how the Catholic Church works.

A very Merry Christmas

Sean

Sure wish I cd read that

Sean — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:34:38 +0000

In reply to >>>You keep telling me not to

Sure wish I cd read that type. I made out my name but that was about it.

David

No, I don't see the

Sean — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:33:30 +0000

In reply to The hypocrisy I'm talking

No, I don't see the hypocrisy, Nebton.

I see cowardice and weakness on the part of many US bishops. We are still having to put up with idiot bishops like Cardinal "Transparency" Mahony in LA, whose DA had to take him to the Supreme Corut to get him to show files on priests.

What has not yet penetrated, however. Nebton, is that Bishop Tobin was not involved in the molestation issue. Your brush is very wide and you want to tar the entire episcopacy with it. Once again, I KNOW there are a lot of bishops not worthy of the title. That does not diminish the fact that Patrick Kennedy is committing sacrilege each time he goes to Holy Communiion. Now, I understand that spiritual belief like that makes no difference to you. But that is the entire point of Jesus establishing His Church.

Sacrilege. A word seldom used any longer since it is so widespread and since we have so many wuss bishops. The feminized Church in the US is at the core of this problem.

Sean

Ah ha. The "I know you are

Orlando — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:24:35 +0000

In reply to Yes, I keep saying it because

Ah ha. The "I know you are but what I am" defense. Stellar.

All prayers are gratefully

Sean — Sun, 06 Dec 2009 13:24:10 +0000

In reply to I'd just like to note that

All prayers are gratefully accepted, Dr Cleveland. But I understand that you are being sardonic.

Bon Noel!

Sean