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The druggist.That was kind of

Richard Day — Mon, 30 May 2011 04:20:16 +0000

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The druggist.

That was kind of an aside. I have not read the entire file.

But the intent involved in first degree murder should involve some sort of planning. I know the law.

I know that intent can be had in an instant, I disagree with that reading of the law.

The flush of adreniline can turn us all into beasts.

That never means absolution.

That just should go to mitigation; hence manslaughter over first degree murder. Maybe 15 years instead of life.

But again, I have not read the entire file. Maybe the RX took the stand and began speaking of his rights or some goddamn thing!

First degree murder is over the top, as far as I am concerned. But there may be variables that I am not aware of.

Oh and was not Nugent always in decline?

I swear to this day I have never listened to one of his tunes. What has it been? 40 years?

He and his NRA repub fascist friends just send me through the roof.

Maybe it is a combination of tragedy with boisterous self indulgence?

As far as I am concerned, when you look at the record of child violence with guns from nation to nation there is a reason we are number one!

But like I say, that war is over. We are a nation of guns, one weapon for just about every single American; man, woman and child!

Thanks for stopping by.

I saw that white supremacist

kgb999 — Mon, 30 May 2011 04:02:43 +0000

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I saw that white supremacist patricide story a few weeks back (here's a pretty good article on it ... with some firefox layout issues). Crazy story. Apparently the mother was alleged to be abusive. I think they are handling the situation well as far as the system goes. The kid is being charged as a juvenile and they are protecting his privacy. The lawyer is talking about insanity; so I imagine there is some level of trauma we don't know about - may never know.

I can understand a conviction for manslaughter but damn—first degree murder? I don't care if the bastard emptied two clips into felon.

Seriously? That's rather disturbing. The unconvicted teenager, who didn't live long enough to be accurately referred to as a felon, was lying on the floor with a bullet wound to his head. If that had been the end of it and the alleged robber ended up dying, the event would have been remarkable only as a data point to support NRA assertions gun owners are able to defend themselves from crime (to stack against data points the other side accumulates to make their case). But the guy went and got a second gun and emptied it into an incapacitated human. That's fucking warped. I say put his ass away.

The last anecdote you highlight confuses me. Are they charging the 16 year old with murdering his 15 year old friend - actually killed by police bullets? That seems odd. Also odd is that the officer totally fucked up and shot the kid who didn't have a gun. That should scare the living crap out of anyone unfortunate enough to have that officer patrolling their neighborhood. American cities and towns aren't the fucking jungle of Viet Nam. Confirming the target and clearing the shot before pulling the trigger is critical for a law enforcement professional - particularly in a fear situation; skip that part and they aren't putting their lives on the line, they are putting the community in danger. The final oddity is that despite not incapacitating the kid who actually had a gun, the 16 year old does not seem to have taken advantage of the situation to fire any shots. Not exactly an outcome one would imagine from a machine-gun-wielding VC in the event one your buddies had missed and accidentally shot a nearby villager instead.

I'm not completely sure the point of this post (not a critique, just not sure if I'm going off the rails a bit) ... but damn it highlights that society is ALL fucked up. I'm more convinced than ever that guns really don't seem to be the problem, society is. Hell, you are totally down to defend some guy who would go to the back room, get a second gun and empty a couple of clips into a wounded human just to finish them off - imagine how the wingnuts approach such situations. Add to that the willingness of society to defend cops who taze 90 year old women and 8 year old children ... and the real picture of where we're going wrong starts to come into better focus. In a society that has systemically abandoned respect for life and human dignity while embracing the infallibility of those who wield power with physical force, can we be surprised when our children increasingly reflect what they are being filled with by the world around them?

And also too ... Ted Nugent is an asshat. Always was, but now that he sees an opportunity to goose his declining career with this gun thing, he's gone super-asshat.

Yeah, yeah that was my

Richard Day — Sun, 29 May 2011 04:14:32 +0000

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Yeah, yeah that was my conclusion!

The household of hate!

Nobody was prosecuted?What a

Richard Day — Sun, 29 May 2011 04:13:35 +0000

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Nobody was prosecuted?

What a strange story. You can be sure I bookmarked this strange site!

Now where in the hell did you

Richard Day — Sun, 29 May 2011 03:59:45 +0000

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Now where in the hell did you find this? hahha

Yeah guns help kill

Richard Day — Sun, 29 May 2011 03:57:10 +0000

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Yeah guns help kill people!

They certainly help our children kill people!

What can I say? I guess I

MrSmith1 — Sun, 29 May 2011 03:30:31 +0000

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What can I say? I guess I was wrong about kitchen utensils...

Sometimes they do turn their

NCD — Sun, 29 May 2011 01:39:25 +0000

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Sometimes they do turn their guns on each other:

Gilbert road-rage killing: No charges in shooting near mall

Read more: http://www.azcentral.com/community/gilbert/articles/2011/05/19/20110519gilbert-road-rage-mall-shooting-killing-no-charges.html#ixzz1NhXNH0wF
.....Bohls said he considered driving away, but he was boxed in by other vehicles.

Bohls grabbed his .9mm Glock handgun from a center console. As he opened his driver's door, he said he saw Fickes removing a handgun from his waistband......and...Fickes is slow on the draw RIP.

What can I say. Like father

cmaukonen — Sun, 29 May 2011 01:35:58 +0000

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What can I say. Like father like son.

Another one of those issues

Peter Schwartz — Sun, 29 May 2011 01:10:57 +0000

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Another one of those issues where we, as a society, are just stuck. There are studies that show more guns lead to fewer gun deaths. But what is less well known, there are also studies disputing these results--sometimes on technical grounds, e.g., the regressions weren't done correctly, etc.

No doubt, an armed individual feels safer when facing another armed individual. But if guns are the only solution to guns, then we'll need more and more guns to defend against...all those guns!

The whole thing is insane...and of course deadly.

While it's true that guns don't kill, people kill...it's equally true that guns help people kill. That's why we give them to soldiers.