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Reich is likely correct. The

NCD — Fri, 15 Jul 2011 04:18:12 +0000

Reich is likely correct. The McConnell plan is pure Get Obama Party boilerplate. No solutions, not even baby steps in the right direction, scare the bejeezus out of everyone, juice up the rhetoric, do nothing at all that is necessary or good for the country, lie, and make partisan Kool-Aid for the next election. Gotta give the rubes a cause to get out and vote. If all the nation's problems were on track to be solved The Base would stay home.

Of course not. I think the

anna am — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:33:11 +0000

In reply to And so the position of a

Of course not. I think the deal is sensible on many levels and solves more problems than it will create -- or at least in terms of governance, or what passes for governance in this country.

But, politically, in terms of its potential for dicey voter messaging from our Republican friends, it stinks. As I said before, I'm of two minds about it. I think that's allowed, isn't it?

And so the position of a

Dan Kervick — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 15:02:48 +0000

In reply to I get what you and Ghenghis

And so the position of a Democratic president should be that he is not going to let the Republicans give up until they force him to cut entitlements?

I get what you and Ghenghis

anna am — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:50:28 +0000

In reply to If McConnell's proposal is

I get what you and Ghenghis are saying and you're right absolutely in the short term, and in the flat narrative. But spin happens, and when it does it's anybody's guess what the public will forget: it's just as likely that what will go out of their heads is the current spectacular Republican failure, along with Mitch McConnell's hand in this deal.

He's up to no good. And the plan is to turn this against Obama and the Democrats, which time will easily allow. McConnell's even said as much.

As has been pointed out time an again, US voters don't really care about the debt limit. It's an unreal issue to them.

But spin gets through to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?

Resistance — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:39:37 +0000

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnuijDieOvY

Me too.

anna am — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 14:07:09 +0000

In reply to ?Obama lit him up. Cantor sat

Me too.

We don't have to pay up.

Dan Kervick — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:50:15 +0000

In reply to Your story line sounds good

We don't have to pay up.

Interesting comment. A

Flavius — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:32:25 +0000

In reply to I really don't like it when

Interesting comment.

A slightly different way to look at it is that it's demeaning to lose perspective. Some portion of what's going must be pure theater. And some may represent a tacit -or even overt- agreement between the negotiators.

Maybe in private Cantor's a good human being who helps old ladies across the street.And we've just seen that Anthony Weiner combined impeccable positions with improper internet flirtations...

The first couple of times I heard worrying rumors about a candidate for whom I was working I rejected them as too much in conflict with his public positions. And was wrong.Ted Kennedy did disgrace himself at Chappaquidick; Gene McCarthy abandoned his supporters in Chicago.

Now I just tune that stuff out and work for the schmuck who'll vote right. Churchill in June 41::

"If Hitler invaded hell , I'd at least make a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons".

This is straight out of "The

Rootman — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 11:22:45 +0000

In reply to Obama walks out of Debt Meeting

This is straight out of "The Art of War" by Uncle Remus.

Your story line sounds good

Resistance — Thu, 14 Jul 2011 10:05:56 +0000

In reply to If McConnell's proposal is

Your story line sounds good if it was true, but it isn't.

We were sold into slavery. our ~~predecessors~~ we borrowed the money and now it's time to pay up.

D :"For a hamburger today I'll gladly pay you Tuesday.

R: well sorry Wimpy but you've been telling me, you'd pay me Tuesday, and it's been over 40 years now, besides I think you've been stringing me along, I don't think you ever have any intention of paying me back, you just want to take and take and you think you don't have to pay it back. Sorry it doesn't work that way, so don't play dumb now you knew I'd expect my money.

D: Well you have all kinds of money your rich and you can just print some up; besides if you hadn't have squandered it on wars, you might have forgotten I owed you.

R: Remember; you authorized me to spend on the wars, you signed the promissory notes when you wanted the new cars and the new appliances, and you knew that someday I would want to settle our debt.

D: Yeah I know, but just this time again......; could you spare me some more money for a hamburger today I'll gladly pay you Tuesday

R: No Wimpy I cant, you've borrowed so much money from me over the years, I cant pay back those I borrowed from.

I tell my creditors, Wimpy's good for it, but they don't believe me, they tell me I'm being blind, they ask me has Wimpy ever paid off the debt he owes you? They tell me whatever money you should have paid me back you continued to ignore your promise and instead it's reported you've been seen hanging out at the bars, running up a large tab, womanizing, running up a large tab and bumming cigarettes; smoking like theirs no tomorrow.

You've been bumming cigarettes like you've been bumming hamburgers , and some people are sick of the way you borrow and borrow, but you never want to pay it back. Wimpy, you've gotten fat and I'm going broke supporting you

D: Yeah I know, but just this time again ......could you spare me some more money for a hamburger today, I'll gladly pay you Tuesday.