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Yes. Beyond my own

Barth — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 14:07:34 +0000

Yes. Beyond my own scribblings, the best book on that subject, though a little turgid is What's the Matter with Kansas

Have you considered those

Beetlejuice — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:49:04 +0000

Have you considered those debates ... abortion, jesus, sharia, immigration and so forth ... are baited discussions specifically designed to get the factions within the base all stirred up so as to keep the public attention away from the deals being perpetrated by both the GOPer's in Congress and those controlling state governments to easy the phantom barriers for businesses to operate freely without the worry of government intervention or legal wrangling?

As for the debt debate, they've succeeded in changing the rhetoric why it's necessary to raise the limit and the reason why it's so high, to one where the current Democrats in Congress and White House have been irresponsible with the nation's wealth and in the process tied the GOPer's hands with parliamentary tricks to stifle their arguments.

All while the House and Senate Democrats are silent and Obama keeps trying to implement bipartisanship with the GOPer's.

Rockefeller Republican =

Beetlejuice — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 12:31:41 +0000

In reply to One could make the argument

Rockefeller Republican = DINO

Okay ...I'll buy that definition. It would explain why Obama is acting more like a GOPer, but hasn't gone completely over to the dark side.

I have been in denial for

Richard Day — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 05:20:25 +0000

In reply to No time for Rockefeller Republicanism

I have been in denial for decades but I sorta saw this coming.

Donald Regan scared me more than Ronny; to say nothing of that Cheney guy and his twin Rummy.

The War was what got FDR the power he wanted; the real socialism he wanted; the command over the economy he wanted.

I am not saying that Franklin was not avidly anti-NAZI and anti-Fascist; just sayin that the spending of over 100% GDP during the War along with the draft took care of unemployment; put women to work at a decent rate of pay; even picked up he status of the minorities (as long as you ignore Detroit).

I think LBJ wished to emulate FDR like FDR emulated his cousin.

How the hell could we conquer Europe and lose in a small arena located in the tropics? (answer: China kept sending in reserve troops)

We have repub governors like Perry and Walker who think that they must do everything they can to bring corporations into their states. If taxes are low enough, if wages are low enough, if tarriffs are low enough; if sales taxes are low enough; if benefits are not demanded by the state workers....well you get the idea.

Full capitulation to the demands of the international unAmerican corporation is the agenda.

The abortion debate, the Jesus debate, the sharia debate, the Planned Parenthood/Acorn debate, the new anti-family planning debate, the Gay debate...that is all bullshite that works to get votes.

The meat of the matter involves selling out to the corps in the hopes of luring businesses from other states to come to your wellspring of a new world of lower middle classes--dismissing the old model of a middle middle class.

Sorry. You kind of get me going sometimes. hahahahaah

Have to confess I had to look

Elusive Trope — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 04:21:00 +0000

In reply to Damn Bilderbergers.

Have to confess I had to look these folk up. Not keeping up with all the conspiracies as I should. Old school I guess.

The interesting thing in this for me is the Club of Rome is one that funded the studies that led to the The Limits to Growth and Beyond the Limits which have influenced my thinking in significant ways.

Damn Bilderbergers.

kgb999 — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:09:23 +0000

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Damn Bilderbergers.

FDR punted on the

Barth — Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:59:00 +0000

In reply to Of course they are not

FDR punted on the nationalizing the banks, too, though many of the first brain trust wanted to do it. It was a step further than he thought he could take without getting Them so riled up that other important things would be harder to do.

The free market (or more accurately, the quite supposedly free market) and wealth creation are fantasies deeply engrained in our culture. (We used to call them Horatio Alger stories; they are probably Zuckerbergisms now). No president can take that on directly.

I was deeply unhappy with last December and last March, though the outcomes were passable given all this noise. This round goes to the President, who has been stellar this time in my opinion.

Nelson Rockefeller and he share little except a sense of do goodism and hopes for racial equality. Don't forget; he did not like Nixon but he endorsed him three times (Rocky; not POTUS). His fooling around with the will he, won't he in 1968 was a god send to Nixon since it made Governors Romney and Scranton into marginal players.

whoa - my comment has been

Elusive Trope — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:27:39 +0000

In reply to One could make the argument

whoa - my comment has been edited. I knew the illuminati were lurking about.

Of course they are not

Elusive Trope — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:27:17 +0000

In reply to I don't see President Obama

Of course they are not identical, but there a fundamental belief in the free market and wealth creation in Obama, Clinton and Rockefeller which tempers the notions about the role of government that is very similar. None of them are going to nationalize the banks, nor are they going to fundamentally interfere in the way investments are made in this country. Some of this has to do with campaign contributions, but there is also an element of ideological philosophy.

Sorry I working on two trains

Elusive Trope — Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:20:53 +0000

In reply to I don't see President Obama

Sorry I working on two trains of thought there. I meant Democrats like Larry McDonald