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Pick up a brick...Class war,

jollyroger — Tue, 10 Dec 2013 06:24:57 +0000

In reply to We interrupt this revolution for a brief (80yr) message from FDR--Now back to our originally scheduled programming

Pick up a brick...Class war, y'all

The Wire

Oh, I agree, donal. I think

AmericanDreamer — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 13:48:46 +0000

In reply to Yesterday, my film buddy was

Oh, I agree, donal. I think simplification is the virtue we are destined to make of necessity, if we get that far. I just think that even though is growing awareness of that, most of the public still wants prosperity, or thinks it does. And in any case there are people who in their present conditions really do need more resources to be able to meet some pretty basic needs, not a 2nd yacht or their first Lexus or whatever. I also think that if we can get cap and trade or some other carbon emissions legislation passed that harnesses the power of profit-making incentives to fast-forward the process of weaning ourselves away from carbon dependency we are likely to get farther, faster.

American workers were in

jollyroger — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:40:15 +0000

In reply to There are a lot of stands

American workers were in comparative dollar sense, poorer.

Compared to who or what? Give the Pugs a little time, and american workers will be poorer than they were in the thirties, and certainly poorer compared to their plutocratic overlords (this is quite likely already true today..)

Putting the "lump" in lumpen!

jollyroger — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 05:28:14 +0000

In reply to This one is more interesting

Putting the "lump" in lumpen!

There are a lot of stands

Elusive Trope — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:09:19 +0000

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There are a lot of stands that come off of this - but one of the significant is that the sign says "where's MY bailout" and not "where's OUR bailout." Very little class consciousness exists in this country then and now. More than than now, and I would argue that was because most of the American workers were in comparative dollar sense, poorer. In fact, most of them were poor. I would argue, too, that if a deep class consciousness existed in the 30s, the New Deal would have been seen as just the first step, since even after its implementation, they had little direct impact in the quality of life that could touched and felt. Creating a minimum wage of $0.25 was a step forward, but it is hard to think that the workers making this wage in shops in a time before OSHA would have thought they had achieved the golden ring.

I would say that when I think of someone as having a class consciousness, I see them (those in the lower tiers) as believing that current conditions experienced by their class are not acceptable and that society through the government needs to step in so as to improve those conditions.

And I guess these thoughts would also necessitate that when we talk about the left being coopted in the thirties, we specify that it was the leadership of the left was coopted.

we're outnumbered. That's

jollyroger — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 20:04:37 +0000

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we're outnumbered.

That's the point of the lengthy quote. Class consciousness has been suppressed in America. My shred of optimism turns on the hope that if the ameliorative effects of the new deal are erased, popular opinion, in spite of the pernicious effect of corporate media, will slowly shift.

Like I said at the outset-pathologically optimistic...

This one is more interesting

lamont — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:54:49 +0000

In reply to Yeah. Or this one.

This one is more interesting in that vein, mho. Especially this part:

While Republican gains in leaned party identification span nearly all subgroups of whites, they are particularly pronounced among the young and poor.

what are we charging at?" A

jollyroger — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:53:17 +0000

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what are we charging at?"

A poltical system that thinks you remedy 9%+ unemployment with a balanced budget amendment.

what victory looks

jollyroger — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:51:17 +0000

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what victory looks like

National Health. Free education at all levels. Good childcare, paid for by the state. 6 weeks a year of paid vacation.

In short, France. (add in impossibly hot women, a bonus for your humble interlocutor...)

Just because there is a

Elusive Trope — Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:41:53 +0000

In reply to If so, it is inapposite The

Just because there is a consequence that is derived from an outcome desired by an individual doesn't mean that said individual perceives, embraces or is in anyway aware of that consequence. He or she may be. And no doubt there are people out there upset that while they and their friends and family are making less or nothing at all, the rich are getting richer. But I would argue that there are plenty of those who upset about this phenomenon, would not advocate government intervention to fix it.

I can't remember which poll I crossed yesterday, but during the time of the election, the majority of people blamed the Republicans for the mess, but, here's the kicker, the majority of people thought the Republicans would be better at fixing the problem. And say what one will about the Dems inability to articulate an issue, and the general low-information of the voters in this country, the one thing that the Republicans have done very well is ingrain in people that they are about free enterprise and getting government out of the way from the private sector to work their economic miracles.