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Delusion has infected the

Resistance — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 01:48:07 +0000

In reply to If the penalty for not doing

Delusion has infected the Democratic party,

We on the left are told, continue to vote for a Democratic Capitalist because the Republican Capitalist is worse.

Stilli at what point will you come to the conclusion, the New Democratic party promotes capitalism over Socialism?

People want Social Security, people want Medicare and the Democrats want your vote; so they give lip service to the programs the people want. Only to get your vote.

The Democrats offer the screwed over working class a choice, a choice that only serves the Capitalist agenda. A last ditch attempt by capitalist controllers to act, as the pressure relief valve.

The Democrat will tell you everything you want to hear, how they are there to protect you, how they feel your pain, they'll offer you a shoulder to cry on, all with one objective, CONTROL THE ANGER, control the venting.

DO NOT ALLOW the working class to rebel; or the system intended to enrich the rich and greedy might lose control. The people without a reign are uncontrollable.

What do you do, if your a member of the Capitalist party and you sense the economy is about to tank, and the Republican Capitalist is going to be removed ?

You find yourself a Democratic Capitalist, who offers the peasants hope, you slow down the boil to a simmer.

Get a democratic presidential candidate to run on how much he feels your pain, how he hates those big bad republicans as much as you do now, and you as the voter can hope the rich and greedy banker class will be reigned in by a Democrat, speaking about Social values; with this disclaimer As long as it doesn't renounce capitalism and socialism will continue to be diminished.

Why would the Democrats change if you continue to vote for the lesser of the capitalists.

Our problem is not between Democrats or Republicans it's Capitalism vs Socialism.

American Socialism IS Social Security and Medicare and this DINO President offered up for sacrifice, the very programs Americans want.

How long before you and others figure it out, Democrats don't want socialism either.

They only want your vote, they only want to offer you hope, they are the pressure relief valve

Democratic Capitalism will sell out Socialism every time. They are opposed to one another.

What makes you think they will change? You'll continue to vote for them, hoping they'll embrace social values more than your typical capitalist will allow?

NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

So the rest of us that want Social values delivered by our Government; sooner rather than later, like in our lifetime; must vote for Democrats who only care about serving Capitalism?

Obama stood between the bankers and the people who got screwed. He was the pressure relief valve. He was the last best hope for the Capitalists to continue to maintain control, his job was to protect the Capitalists, not the working poor.

The bankers debt was relieved, the working class is still enslaved.

So please, don't throw your vote away; this Capitalist will continue to dismantle social programs, because he really is ideologically opposed.

He's a Democrat a member of one of the two capitalist parties.

One thing to remember is that

Dan Kervick — Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:29:03 +0000

In reply to So if and when Dan at

One thing to remember is that the White House political team probably considers it a plus that progressives are rip-roaring mad at them. Anything that allows Barack Obama to position himself in the center, with the Tea Party on one side and progressives on the other, puts Obama right where he wants to be: and inoffensive cipher and reassuring defender of the status quo.

He can now try to say, "Mr. and Mrs. White America, I am the only thing standing between you and pot-bellied, sweaty, migrant Mexican radicals like Raul Grijalva."

Of course it won't work if the economy stays in the tank.

Stilli, I'm not sure it's a

Oxy Mora — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:33:56 +0000

In reply to Although I disagree that his

Stilli, I'm not sure it's a nail biter anymore. MSNBC has interrupted it's regular programming to announce an outline of the package deal. A two stage process, 2.7 billion in cuts, but no revenue component. In other words if we want to end the Bush tax cuts we have to first vote Obama back in in 2012. That's a big "if".

By the way, the previously scheduled program interrupted is entitled, "Will you kill for me" -- Charles Manson and his followers"

So if and when Dan at

AmericanDreamer — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:31:22 +0000

In reply to A Modest Proposal to Which No One Will Pay Attention

So if and when ~~Dan at gunpoint surrenders his daughter's college tuition money for the terrorist not killing her~~ the turkey of a "compromise" passes...

The White House and those on both sides of the partisan divide who voted for it will talk about how both sides were very unhappy with parts of it, including themselves. But that what was done was for the good of the country and will go a long way to help us get our financial house in order. It was a tough process, tough to watch, but we showed the American people that both parties can work together and compromise to cut spending and get things done in this town. And, for those who didn't hear it the first time, we showed ourselves able to compromise to cut spending and get things done.

That being the operative word or phrase that David Plouffe has apparently succeeded in getting the President, and perhaps other Democratic elected officials, to believe the slice of independent voters who will decide Obama's re-election fate want to hear above all others. Never mind that it will be a compromise on terms a bit to the right of where the average Republican citizen stands on these matters. It's a compromise! Hooray!

And the public reaction, in the immediate aftermath, will be? Any predictions?

I wouldn't be surprised if in the immediate aftermath the public essentially says this was the least bad option, maybe not a good one, but necessary. There will be some vague sense of an earth-shattering catastrophe having been avoided. And when compared to an earth-shattering catastrophe being averted, a job-killing, economy-wrecking exercise in governmental and societal idiocy whose consequences will not be felt today or tomorrow could look relatively tolerable, I suppose.

I wonder how long, if it ever happens, for public sentiment to change as the job-killing and economy-wrecking damage starts to kick in? Perhaps the dealmakers think if they can stretch out the process of job-killing and economy-wrecking cuts in several stages, as seems to be the scuttle now, it'll be so difficult for 98% of the public to follow that no one will much understand what is going on. Enabling incumbents who voted yes to defend their positions before the voters next year with a passable narrative whose omissions or deceits 98% of their listeners will find themselves unable to detect.

If my investment advisor friend is right we'll see a strong 2-week rally on Wall Street, after which things will return to where they were a week ago.

C'mon Stili. Enough of the

kyle flynn — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 20:00:10 +0000

In reply to That's certainly one way to

C'mon Stili. Enough of the self-righteous indignation. We're all familiar with your voting record of the last 30 years.

At this late hour, I'd settle

kyle flynn — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:52:43 +0000

In reply to Please stop with the "not

At this late hour, I'd settle for doing anything the "far left" wanted.

Please stop with the "not

acanuck — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 19:37:29 +0000

In reply to If the penalty for not doing

Please stop with the "not doing everything the far left wanted" argument. It's getting really old, and it pisses people off more than you can imagine. First off, what "far left?" And don't cite a bunch of bloggers nobody reads. Were curbing lobbyists, closing Gitmo, ending insurance-company death panels commie/socialist pipe dreams? No, they were things Obama ran on. And ran from, as soon as opposition materialized. Blaming disillusioned voters is BS.

If the penalty for not doing

stillidealistic — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:29:43 +0000

In reply to Still to this day, Obama and

If the penalty for not doing everything the far left wanted means that we have to live with everything the far right wants, that seems like a pretty severe penalty to me. But then I never was real fond of the idea of cutting off someone's hand for stealing, or being branded for committing adultery.

Although I disagree that his

stillidealistic — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:20:52 +0000

In reply to "I have not the slightest

Although I disagree that his intentions are as vile as you assert, and I doubt that any other dem President could have affected a better outcome, the results are the same.

You don't know how much it pains me to say that. We the people have been (or at least are poised to be) bent over and you know the rest.

In one tiny little corner of my mind I'm still hoping for a 14th amendment salvo, but everything is pointing against it at this moment. When I'm reading a thriller, this is where I'm tempted (and sometimes succumb to the urge) to turn to the last page, so I can rest assured it turned out okay before reading further. Since I don't have that option at the moment, I'm biting my nails, instead.

Unfortunately, Dan, I think

stillidealistic — Sun, 31 Jul 2011 18:11:36 +0000

In reply to It's all over. The

Unfortunately, Dan, I think you are right. The terrorists won.

So. What do we do now? 2012 will decide whether the country wants to proceed in this direction, or not.

I have a love/hate relationship with politics, mostly because I am not good at gamesmanship. I just want all cards on the table and hash it out, the way they used to do it in the good ol' bad ol' days. But, that's not how they do it in the world of teahadists.

I'm open to suggestions, even if it includes primarying the President (which would be my last resort, but the left needs to have a seat at the table, and it doesn't right now.) The teahadists have proven that they who scream the loudest and dig in the deepest win. Personally, I hate the technique, but what other choice is there?