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"Well, those other guys are

MrSmith1 — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:23:02 +0000

"Well, those other guys are MOSTLY right, but ..." LOL! Yup. Couldn't agree more. That has to be one of the most maddening phrases a Progressive can hear from a Democratic politician. Unfortunately, we hear it far too often lately.

Sure enough, crickets. It

erica20 — Thu, 04 Aug 2011 05:15:15 +0000

In reply to Exactly.

Sure enough, crickets.

It reminds me of a line from an old play--God is dead; you're on your own.

Whatever we do next, we probably need to do ourselves. I don't think it matters a bit whether we do it from within or without the Democratic party, or both. But we have to find ways to take simple messages about what it means to be an American and a Democrat and get them out there in a way that doesn't start with "Well, those other guys are MOSTLY right, but......."

Exactly.

MrSmith1 — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 13:32:12 +0000

In reply to I have noticed what seems to

Exactly.

I have noticed what seems to

Dan Kervick — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:58:53 +0000

In reply to I can't disagree with

I have noticed what seems to me a sort of shellshocked response all over the liberal blogosphere to what just happened. There are a lot of people who don't like to be critical of the administration. But they've finally banged their head up against something that they just can't defend in any way. So they aren't saying anything. I expected a debate, and instead it's just crickets.

I can't disagree with

MrSmith1 — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:28:43 +0000

In reply to "We didn't give away the

I can't disagree with anything you wrote, which, I think is what has got so many of us in such a deep emotional chasm. In the final days of the budget deal, I kept checking with Dagblog to see if there was anyone that could help me make sense of all this. Some new insight or perspective. I can't recall any other issue on which the readers here didn't wade in enthusiastically with multiple takes and suggestions and a diversity of viewpoints. For the last couple of days there were no new blogs on the topic. Maybe we're all too disheartened. I know we have a couple of great threads discussing the budget deal, but it was a bit odd, seeing no flurry of blogs just before and just after the deal.

I'm not an easy person to have lose their optimism. I'm hard-wired for optimism and very resilient. I don't, as a rule, stay depressed very long. My sense of humor invariably kicks in and that quickly gets my footing back. And yet, this deal has brought me to a deep sadness about my hopes for America's future and the futility of supporting Obama in the 2012 campaign. This idea was an attempt to fire my own self up a bit, and by so doing, perhaps fire someone else up too. It may be a pointless exercise, but I don't know what else to do.

Other than screaming at them

Dan Kervick — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:39:29 +0000

In reply to Dan, I would love to be able

Other than screaming at them that their policies aren't working.

I think screaming at them would make a very good start.

Look, even Obama believes that voter pressure works. If he didn't, he wouldn't have insisted so much last week on getting people to call Congress to support his "grand bargain."

"We didn't give away the

Resistance — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 10:18:44 +0000

In reply to A succinct response might be:

"We didn't give away the entire store!"

YET;

GIVE OBAMA MORE TIME

Obama' failure to adequately FIGHT to help the homeowners, sealed his fate for me. He has lost the enthusiasm of his base, he has tapped out any credit, I'd give him.

Find the cuts, that hurt Republican donors.

"If you prick them: do they not bleed"?

The rich having been bailed out and now they are hanging on to their money; they know how to deliver the decisive blow, to destroy labor.

The people should have been bailed out, Not the bankers.

First they took your homes and now you can fight for the crumbs on the street.

Obamacare; why should he? Whose going to pay for it? Who paid for it?

Can we see those green shoots, from 6 foot under?

Dan, I would love to be able

MrSmith1 — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:14:44 +0000

In reply to It was just reported by the

Dan, I would love to be able to turn around the economic fundamentals. I think you're right, there's a real problem there, considering Republicans have been running against the 'Obama economy' since somewhere around January 21, 2009. But is it possible for Progressives to affect a change in economic policy at this point? What leverage do we have? We've already threatened to play a more passive role in the 2012 Obama campaign. What else is there to use as an incentive to force the administration to re-think their policies. Other than screaming at them that their policies aren't working. Honestly, I just do not know what we can do about that. I admit it's a lot harder to do than trying to unseat tea-partiers and overturn their policies. Okay, so I went for the easier job. But tell me how we do the other one and I'll happily support it too.

A succinct response might be:

MrSmith1 — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 02:55:55 +0000

In reply to Good post, Mr. Smith. It just

A succinct response might be: "We didn't give away the entire store!"

Good post, Mr. Smith. It just

Oxy Mora — Wed, 03 Aug 2011 02:14:23 +0000

In reply to The list is daunting, but on

Good post, Mr. Smith. It just seems that Republicans are one step ahead in the messaging area, and they toe the line. Democrats seem more scattered in messaging and do not have clinchers.

The tea partiers have been out all day saying "this is the first time in history a debt ceiling raise was matched with spending cuts in the same amount.". I haven't heard a succinct response from Democrats.