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Thought maybe I should just

EmmaZahn — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:39:24 +0000

In reply to Winning with Smack Talk

Thought maybe I should just post this link list I found to Schopenhauer's book chapters from The Art of ~~Controversy~~ Being Right. Look like familiar GOP strategies to anyone else?
The Basis of All Dialectic

The Extension

The Homonymy

Generalize Specific Statements

Conceal Your Game

False Proposition

Postulate What Has To Be Proved

Yield Admissions Through Questions

Make Your Opponent Angry

Questions in Detouring Order

Take Advantage of The Nay-Sayer

Generalize Admissions of Specific Cases

Choose Metaphors That Support Your Proposition

Agree to Reject the Counter-Proposition

Claim Victory Despite Defeat

Use Seemingly Absurd Propositions

Arguments Ad Hominem

Defense Through Subtle Distinction

Interrupt, Break, Divert the Dispute

Generalize the Matter, Then Argue Against it

Draw Conclusions Yourself

Meet him With a Counter-Argument as Bad as His

Petitio Principii

Make Him Exaggerate his Statement

State a False Syllogism

Find One Instance to The Contrary

Turn The Tables

Anger Indicates a Weak Point

Persuade the Audience, Not The Opponent

Diversion

Appeal to Authority Rather Than Reason

This is Beyond Me

Put His Thesis Into Some Odious Category

It Applies in Theory, But Not in Practice

Don't Let Him Off The Hook

Will is More Effective Than Insight

Bewilder Your Opponent by Mere Bombast

A Faulty Proof Refutes His Whole Position

Become Personal, Insulting, Rude

Thanks and sorry I

EmmaZahn — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:35:31 +0000

In reply to I see where I caused the

Thanks and sorry I misunderstood.

I see where I caused the

stillidealistic — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:32:54 +0000

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I see where I caused the confusion...I started out with agreeing, then pivoted to speak to others, not you, w/o making that clear. Sorry Emma. I think you are spot on.

I absolutely was agreeing

stillidealistic — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:30:58 +0000

In reply to Is this just a general rant

I absolutely was agreeing with you, not ranting against you. Sorry that I didn't make that clear.

FWIW, I took it as her

Verified Atheist — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:18:25 +0000

In reply to Is this just a general rant

FWIW, I took it as her agreeing with you, not ranting at you.

Is this just a general rant

EmmaZahn — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:10:36 +0000

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Is this just a general rant provoked by my post. YOU aren't really talking to ME, are you? Because you obviously know nothing about my radical economics nor my feelings about Obama.

That's okay. Rant away.

Presently the Republicans do

EmmaZahn — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:08:09 +0000

In reply to It's dismaying that the

Presently the Republicans do seem more organized and goodness knows they can stay on message. To me that is a bug, not a feature.

If you haven't already, check out the Schopenhauer link. I was amazed at how many of the tactics from his book The Art of Being Right are used by the Right.

Makes you wonder if they ever

EmmaZahn — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 19:01:52 +0000

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Makes you wonder if they ever heard of Pyrrhic victories. :-/

Being an accountant I experience cognitive dissonance when I hear politicos speak of balanced budgets. For me, the only way for books or a budget not to balance is to not count/recognize one side of a transaction. I always wonder which politicos actually mean that rather than that spending match revenue. Hmmm.

I do not doubt the long-term intent may have been to raise the cost of borrowing but not to drive government out of the game. More likely for some it was a desire to increase yields to people with surplus cash from unexpired tax cuts as well as to drive more of it into gold and other 'safe havens'.

Short-term their strategy reduced rather than increased Treasury yields.

Even though the U.S. treasury markets was downgraded over the weekend, investors have reacted by turning to treasuries as a safe haven, MarketBeat's Matt Phillips reports

Urban Dictionary: Wish in one

stillidealistic — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:35:36 +0000

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Urban Dictionary: Wish in one hand, shit in the other.

www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?... - Cached

"Wish in one hand, shit in the other. See which one gets filled first." When a person wants the impossible.

Causing a downgrade is

Dan Kervick — Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:31:47 +0000

In reply to Winning with Smack Talk

Causing a downgrade is actually a plus for Tea Party conservatives, and not just to score political points against Obama. They are trying to permanently shrink government and also (stupidly) keep the budget in permanent surplus. Raising the cost of government borrowing is one way to drive the government out of the borrowing game.