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I knew it was the 1700s, but

Elusive Trope — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:06:52 +0000

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I knew it was the 1700s, but it wasn't until i wrote the comment that i realized it was 1776. So while we, on this side of the pond, were focused on things like liberty, lawyers were dealing with the long (and I assume painful) death of one man on the other side of the pond.

Don't look at the traffic numbers. This history is just the kind of history people need to see, to engage. Maybe it doesn't have the razzle dazzle of some of historical moments, yet what occurs in these transcripts underlie the mindsets of every person who is outraged over the Patriot Act. What unfolds here is the paradigm that makes that outrage possible, makes it in the truest sense of the word - "possible."

and don't forget the gin...so

Elusive Trope — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 04:00:18 +0000

In reply to Great find Trope. I was going

and don't forget the gin...so much gin.

Great find Trope. I was going

Richard Day — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:57:45 +0000

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Great find Trope.

I was going to do further chapters on this link but as you can see not much traffic!

Maybe I will cut and paste some findings at Paradigm.

But your find underlines the fact that there are some proceedings that appear (underline appear) to be full transcripts of proceedings. There are lectures and videos and such contained in the links! here are some thoughts I had:

At last, someone else caught this bloody blog. Ha

I am so caught up in the language of it all! I forget the humanity at times!

You pick 1776 with names like Burr. ha

They were laborers, I knew no harm of them.

(what a line)

...that expression, pick up the dead

How long have you known them? - We were all children brought up together.

How old are you? - About thirty-six or thirty-seven.

(the guy does not even know exactly how old he is which was not that rare a thing at the time)

Were the two prisoners by? - Yes, and others; there was one Long George, a butcher, and other smugglers whom I did not know; there were, I am sure, ten of us in the whole; we went into Church Street, Gypsy George was first, and the other smugglers, that I did not know, along with him, and we followed them; Gypsy George , and the rest of them, searched all up Church Street for those custom-house officers.

This sounds like a group of confederates in Jersey portrayed on Law & Order. Hahahahah

Thanks and curses for the

Elusive Trope — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:23:54 +0000

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Thanks and curses for the link to this site. Now Gypsy George of 1776 will always be part of my life.

Hoping to see soon on NBC: Law & Order: The Bailey.

But seriously, it is some great insight into what is one of the miracles of civilization: the actual development of a system where one is presumed innocent until proven guilty. That any state (ie system of power) would allow such a thing to blossom, let alone survive is beyond amazing. Of course there are flaws, corruption, etc. throughout the history that includes the present moment. But what has developed is probably as close as one could have imaged possible when civilization sprung up between the two rivers.

She who must be obeyed! I

Richard Day — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:54:42 +0000

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She who must be obeyed!

I miss that show!

But you know I never grasped the history behind it.

You know I never thought of

Richard Day — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:53:18 +0000

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You know I never thought of it that way.

But the hangings and the other punishments were 'open air' for many periods during the 240 years in question.

Punishment might even take place at the scene of the crime!

These were the first reality shows and went back thousands of years! ha

We'd have sadistic debt

MrSmith1 — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 19:17:46 +0000

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We'd have sadistic debt collectors wielding whips and offering to settle debts for ten cents on the dollar in exchange for a good whipping/scourging.... hmmm, an extreme reality show format in the making... I too have a fascination for historical detective work. Lacking a law background, mine is confined to genealogy matters.

Ah, Rumpole at the Old

Oxy Mora — Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:57:52 +0000

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Ah, Rumpole at the Old Bailey. And of course, Rumpole's wife--she whom you must obey--as Rumpole so aptly called her.