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Yeh, I noticed that after I

Barth — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 19:00:31 +0000

Yeh, I noticed that after I started to read it. Lemann is tops on this subject these days, but this article does the trick, too, I think: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/05/weekinreview/05schwartz.html

Behind a pay wall - any

PeraclesPlease — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:19:19 +0000

In reply to These comments are not worth

Behind a pay wall - any suggestion what lurks behind?

These comments are not worth

Barth — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 16:24:02 +0000

In reply to Which is exactly what a plant

These comments are not worth responding to, in my opinion. "Resistance" is either a plant trying to paint this web site as an outpost for whatever communists are left in the world (oh, God, what a flashback some of this rhetoric is) or he/she is Eugene V Debs re-incarnated.

There is much the socialist movement and Debs himself contributed to what we now call the "New Deal" and many of their heroes are in fact heroes of the labor movement. But this was the never the right country for the "workers of the world unite" crowd and it is unquestionably not so today.

And, by the way, those yearning for a "new" Huey Long know not what they seek: http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1992/may/28/the-not-so-great-di...

Which is exactly what a plant

Verified Atheist — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 08:54:32 +0000

In reply to Another kool aid drinker

Which is exactly what a plant would say if they wanted the Republicans to win, but perhaps I'm being paranoid. Perhaps you've become blinded by hate so much you honestly can't see the difference between Obama and the Republicans. Granted, it's not as large as I would like, but if you really can't see the difference, if you really believe what you're saying, then you have my pity. If you are sincere, answer me this, who is this "labor candidate" you're talking about?

Another kool aid drinker

Resistance — Mon, 05 Sep 2011 06:11:10 +0000

In reply to It is obvious which side

Another kool aid drinker responds?

If you vote for a capitalist shill, that's exactly what you'll get.

If you want someone who puts workers ahead of the banker class, don't be an idiot;

Vote for the workers party nominee.

You can try and salve your conscience, you can sugar coat it anyway you like; if you vote for one of the nominees of the two capitalist parties, that doesn't make you a friend of labor, You're a sellout.

When the workers had to fight the Pinkerton', I'm sure the cowards tried to reason with the strikers. The cowards saying, "give it more time, management will come around, we wouldn't want to upset what little gains we've made, besides the capitalist will have a change of heart and they'll eventually to do the right thing." WAIT and when your tired of waiting, WAIT some more

Cowards, betrayers, all you who vote for the Banker class over the worker class.

Show me that age and country where the rights and liberties of the people were placed on the sole chance of their rulers being good men, without a consequent loss of liberty? Patrick Henry

When do you think the capitalists will give the workers their share?

Voting for another lying capitalist shill, hoping they'll come to their senses; MAKES YOU A FOOL.

United we stand, divided we fall, Let us not split into factions which must destroy that union upon which our existence hangs. Patrick Henry

The traitors who would tell us, it's better to vote for the Capitalist, rather than the workers party nominee, believing their own lies. Misleading others to follow their unwise course. If you vote for a Capitalist over the nominee of the workers party you belong to a sect that sells out Labor. You claim to be for the workers but you vote for the very party that is hostile to labor.

We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?

It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, peace! But there is no peace. The war is actually begun!

Patrick Henry

The class war has begun, and you keep telling us, it's better to vote for the lesser of the two banker class masters? Would you deliver us to our foes?

The World Financial market is collapsing and you still trust them to control you? Stop trying to convince me they have my best interest at heart.

Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Patrick Henry

The koolaid drinkers would convince us, HOPE in Obama, while the Globalist and banker class, steals our treasure; and no fear of punishment for doing so.

DUMB working class, believing the capitalist gives a crap.

While Obama says we need to look forward, not backwards, and the banker class says thanks for the bailout.

Capitalist: "Let the working class pay the bill. and excuse us while we move our manufacturing overseas, that'll really screw the working class further. Thanks again Obama we like that you'll promote more free trade deals. We don't want Labor to force us, to meet their demands. While your at it can you role back some of the Regulations too?

The Capitalists like, that they have a President, who'll help them "bind the feet and hands" of labor.

Where was the President in the Wisconsin fight?

Ten thousand times has the labor movement stumbled and fallen and bruised itself, and risen again; been seized by the throat and choked and clubbed into insensibility; enjoined by courts, assaulted by thugs, charged by the militia, shot down by regulars, traduced by the press, frowned upon by public opinion, deceived by politicians, threatened by priests, repudiated by renegades, preyed upon by grafters, infested by spies, deserted by cowards, betrayed by traitors, bled by leeches, and sold out by leaders, but notwithstanding all this, and all these, it is today the most vital and potential power this planet has ever known, and its historic mission of emancipating the workers of the world from the thraldom of the ages is as certain of ultimate realization as is the setting of the sun.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

I guess you and Barth have something in common; you are too blind to see, you're really not a friend of the labor movement. You would promote division, you would vote for a Capitalist over a labor candidate, then claim you really are for labor? BS

just a FYI and everyone

artappraiser — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 22:37:36 +0000

In reply to This "President Obama

just a FYI and everyone else's--

The Reich op-ed is one of 3 lengthy pieces on the Labor topic prominently featured as a group on the front page of their Sunday Review with the title "The Trouble With Work," a full-page illustration and two full pages inside. They are all helpful reading, the others are:

Opinion

Do Happier People Work Harder?

By TERESA AMABILE and STEVEN KRAMER

Employees’ apathy and disengagement cost American businesses a fortune.

Opinion

One Path to Better Jobs: More Density in Cities

By RYAN AVENT

Building more housing in cities will make them more dense, but everyone will benefit.

The chart that is linked to with Reich's piece is prominently featured, too.

It is obvious which side

Verified Atheist — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 19:29:08 +0000

In reply to Excuse me, you Kool-Aid

It is obvious which side Barth is on. It's not so obvious to me which side you're on. You're acting more and more like a plant. You're either a clever plant or a not-so-clever dupe (to use your word). Of course Obama is disappointing, but to suggest we would've been just as well off with McCain, or that we'll be just as better off with Perry seems disingenuous, if your interests are really those of the working person. I had originally assumed that we just had a difference of opinion about tactics, and I can respect that. I'm beginning to suspect that you're only pretending to be against abuses by the business class.

Excuse me, you Kool-Aid

Resistance — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 19:07:52 +0000

In reply to This "President Obama

Excuse me, you Kool-Aid drinker.

This corporate shill President Obama is just slightly better than his republican counter part?

We've had enough of your BS, you keep putting before the people whatever the banker class tells you, YOU DUPE.

Close to 100 years ago the workers figured this out and dummies believe they have the system figured out.

Unions have been destroyed by both the Democrats and the Republicans. Do you even have a clue why DUPE/Tool?

Unless the workers figure it out soon, the capitalist will consolidate and take every right the workers have ever gained.

But since the Kool-Aid has blinded you to the reality, you continue to live in some fantasy world, where in your dream; the workers will live happily ever after.

You keep spreading your lies, and baseless hope.

You lull the working class into your fantasy, and the capitalist rob us.

Why should anyone listen to you; it’s clear you are “too blind and unthinking to see it”

Ask yourself why did we ever allow our good paying jobs to be outsourced?

"The Republican and Democratic parties, or, to be more exact, the Republican-Democratic party, represent the capitalist class in the class struggle. They are the political wings of the capitalist system and such differences as arise between them relate to spoils and not to principles."...."…..Deny it as may the cunning capitalists who are clear-sighted enough to perceive it, or ignore it as may the torpid workers who are too blind and unthinking to see it, the struggle in which we are engaged today is a class struggle, and as the toiling millions come to see and understand it and rally to the political standard of their class, they will drive all capitalist parties of whatever name into the same party, and the class struggle will then be so clearly revealed that the hosts of labor will find their true place in the conflict and strike the united and decisive blow that will destroy slavery and achieve their full and final emancipation. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Eugene_V._Debs

Of course I suspect you'll attack someone who did more for the workers, than some capitalist shill?

The working class needs Unions in order to have a voice. Our capitalist system wants to destroy the Unions, Capitalists are only concerned with profits and lower wages and few benefits makes them more profits.

A vote for Obama, assures a continuation of the agenda of the capitalists; allowing them every opportunity to further destroy the working middle class.

IMHO..... YOU are the weakest link....... and you're too blind to see that.

Why would the working class want to follow a blind dupe/tool, who directs us to vote for Obama, the capitalist tool; who wants more free trade and continues to allow the export of our jobs?

Obama the capitalist; wants to open the border to allow more workers, so that there will be an overabundance of labor, to compete against one another for the crumbs. Great for the capitalists, bad for the workers

Obama; Great for the capitalist/banker class, bad for the workers.

It's obvious which side you’re on Barth.

This "President Obama

Barth — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:50:18 +0000

In reply to It should have been obvious,

This "President Obama represents the banker class' shit leaves me, and most Americans, cold. It is a relic of the long discredited both parties are about the same meme.

They are not. I have my issues with the President, but his heart is in the right place and he knows that he has been dealt a very poor hand. His temperament is often the right one, buta almost as often leaves him (and us) open to be rolled.

The great Rachel Maddow has also summarized the accomplishments of this adminsitraion and they are substantial: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel_maddow_show#40774380

But he got elected only because of the gross incompetence of the previous administration. The feckless, stupid and defeatist Carter administration gave us Ronald Reagan and his mantra about the evils of government. The result is convincingly set forth today by Robert Reich: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/04/opinion/sunday/jobs-will-follow-a-strengthening-of-the-middle-class.html?_r=1&sq=reich&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all

So save your "money changers" rhetoric for the teeny group of Daily Worker readers who lap that crap up. The rest of us need to talk to our friends, neighbors and relatives and show them what has happened to them since we started down this Reagan path.

It should have been obvious,

Resistance — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 02:18:38 +0000

In reply to .....Find an FDR Democrat to

It should have been obvious, Not who...... but what?

What is it going to take, to replace this corrupt banker/class leadership?

Whose going to turn over the tables of the greedy money changers?

I'm telling you, the people and the present government are heading for a conflict.

The tea party is just the tip of the iceberg.

Can't you sense the outrage?

Do not be lulled into a sense of security.

The banker class raided the treasury already, you of the working class are on your own.

Banker class: "Obama make sure you cover our rears until were gone, then you can fly Air Force One over to the Caymans, where you will be greeted with flowers and celebration. The ungrateful working class will have to realize how good they had it, when we were the masters; but don't wait to long, look what happened to Hosni Mubarak."