dagblog - Comments for "The Lash or the Pipeline" http://dagblog.com/technology/lash-or-pipeline-11707 Comments for "The Lash or the Pipeline" en Given that the tar sands are http://dagblog.com/comment/135333#comment-135333 <a id="comment-135333"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/135320#comment-135320">I hope you know me well</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Given that the tar sands are in Alberta, I doubt that they have much access to salt water. I wouldn't be surprised if they reused fresh water, but I'm not sure if there is enough residential gray water in the area to make a difference, and it's probably easier to pipe it in from the Athabasca River or lake. Wikipedia being what it is, there are conflicting claims about water usage:</p> <blockquote> <p>Between 2 to 4.5 volume units of water are used to produce each volume unit of synthetic crude oil (SCO) in an ex-situ mining operation. Despite recycling, almost all of it ends up in tailings ponds, which, as of 2007, covered an area of approximately 50 km<sup style="line-height: 1em; ">2</sup> (19 sq mi). In SAGD [Steam Assisted Gravity Drainage] operations, 90 to 95 percent of the water is recycled and only about 0.2 volume units of water is used per volume unit of bitumen produced.<sup class="reference" id="cite_ref-66" style="line-height: 1em; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; "> </sup>Large amounts of water are used for oil sands operations – Greenpeace gives the number as 349 million cubic metres per year, twice the amount of water used by the city of Calgary.</p> </blockquote> </div></div></div> Thu, 29 Sep 2011 00:03:21 +0000 Donal comment 135333 at http://dagblog.com I hope you know me well http://dagblog.com/comment/135320#comment-135320 <a id="comment-135320"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/technology/lash-or-pipeline-11707">The Lash or the Pipeline</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>I hope you know me well enough by now to know that I completely support what you're saying. However, I feel the need to nitpick on something (although it might simply be me not understanding something):</p> <blockquote> <p>It takes 3-5 barrels of fresh water to get a single barrel of oil from the tar sands. 350 million cubic metres is the volume of water currently allocated to the tar sands, the equivalent to the water required by a city of two million people.</p> </blockquote> <p>Why fresh water? Couldn't salt water or grey water be used for this? If so, why did they add the word "fresh"?</p> </div></div></div> Wed, 28 Sep 2011 20:27:55 +0000 Verified Atheist comment 135320 at http://dagblog.com