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If you want to learn from

Resistance — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 21:39:01 +0000

In reply to Given your rage etc all I can

If you want to learn from Buddha and stage a sit down and douse yourself with gasoline and light a fire. Some might consider that you offered something other than hot air, some might even say, you did give a little light to guide a dung beetle to you.

Better labor laws would do

Michael Maiello — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 18:44:08 +0000

In reply to But I do think we have to

Better labor laws would do help. Also, government subsidized savings programs for the middle class.

is it truly aimless though,

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 05:03:57 +0000

In reply to I decline to debate you

is it truly aimless though, that is the question grasshopper.

How does one go about

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:45:21 +0000

In reply to Without attempting to argue

How does one go about pointing to something larger than any one formulation of a problem?

Indeed. Occupy has made a dent in it. Bravo for that. But I have to shake my head (arrogantly? maybe) towards those who believe that if pitching a tent causes a dent then it must be the whole way to pointing that something larger.

Since I have already brought him up -- Buddha cautioned on mistaking the finger pointing to the moon for the moon.

Are you saying "nothing to

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:35:09 +0000

In reply to I am not surprised, YOUR LACK

Are you saying "nothing to see here, move along folks" ?

I am saying the exact opposite. There is something here. Let's not move along. But since we are here, let's do it right. I guess that is a message people don't want to hear.

You know this is what is so

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:31:53 +0000

In reply to Sometimes, yes, I get rather

You know this is what is so frustrating about you - because I know you know better - in no way did I assert that there is no value to be found in the Bible. Using your logic, I take you are totally behind everything Jerry Farwell said. You are behind every interpretation done by the Catholic Church over its long history and so on. To say that they were blathering is to say there is no value to be found in the Bible.

And then the little part about - hey we shouldn't have leaders, but we should listen to Jesus - well what I can you say. Your loathing of me just makes you go into nonsense land.

Given your rage etc all I can

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:25:35 +0000

In reply to I am not surprised, YOUR LACK

Given your rage etc all I can say is that you take some time to learn the wisdom of Buddha.

I have said the conversation

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:24:20 +0000

In reply to Talk about someone who says

I have said the conversation has been changed, and in general that the occupy movement has had its successes. You're living in your little either/or world, like George W Bush, saying either you're with us or you're against us. There is no middle ground. No gray or grey areas.

I make no claim that everyone else here or elsewhere are utterly certain. What I would claim is that many write about the topic which is addressed to those who are basically certain in the rightness of the tactics of occupy, and thereby ignore those who are uncertain. The latter being the ones who need to be convinced.

People can do what they want to do. In the end, no matter to me, really. Those walking from NY to DC - more power to them. But this is about a movement. The Civil Rights movement wasn't about people saying 'we just people to know how we see things.' It was about 'we want others to see things as we see them.' The same with the Occupy movement.

And because you are part of the choir you explode when someone doesn't just see the light, offers criticism, etc. I am the buffoon. Whatever, your rants roll off me like water, in case you are interested.

But here's a suggestion, why don't you write a blog about what you believe. And then I can come on to it and use a comment like "oh you just see things clear as day" on it.

And you know what - the blogosphere - it is composed of...hmmm...let me think here...yes, that's it...people pontificating. It would seem you only have an issue with that with people with whom you have disagreement. Petty. Oh so petty.

I decline to debate you

Dan Kervick — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:19:15 +0000

In reply to Well for the record, this is

I decline to debate you because the debates with you never go anywhere. They just enable your aimless kvetching.

Well for the record, this is

Elusive Trope — Mon, 21 Nov 2011 04:07:55 +0000

In reply to For Pete's sake, aren't you

Well for the record, this is one is my blog. You took the time to make a comment that you were not going to comment further, allowing me to respond to it. Had you just walked away that opportunity would not have been created.

And calling me obtuse is just an easy way out of confronting my particular take on things. And in part the "but, but, buts" are an outcome of a world that cannot be easily understood and detailed. Those who take ambivalence to an art form have long and storied history in the cultural discourse.

In the end each of us reflect a larger constituency, in one manner or another. So if I, a basic liberal for most intents and purposes, am not convinced by the current rhetoric of the occupy movement there are most likely a number of those like me who feel the same way. Declining to debate me because you think I am obtuse means you are basically giving up on a whole group of potential recruits for the upcoming revolution. So be it.