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But isn't it more productive

Aunt Sam — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:49:27 +0000

In reply to My comments were not about

But isn't it more productive to do some fact finding in order to discover specifically what their basis is for their stance? To do that, don't you have to enter into discussion and exchange viewpoints? In my experience, if done in a positive manner this more oft produces benefits that simply 'standing up to' - which is most perceived as being us v. them and immediately creates hostility as opposed to 'you show me yours and I'll show you mine'. Let's see if we have any common ground.

It's putting in place the option of changing the probable of negative reaction into positive actions.

Tell you what, Trope, you

Ramona — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:44:38 +0000

In reply to I've thought a lot about how

Tell you what, Trope, you stop using terms like "post-structuralist" (whatever the hell that means) and maybe I'll be able to understand you better. Your comments focus entirely on how I treated those GOP women. I gave you my reasons for doing it the way I did. You still think I was rude.

I don't care.

Sexist haiku deleted.

Oxy Mora — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:39:14 +0000

In reply to I've thought a lot about how

Sexist haiku deleted.

I've thought a lot about how

Elusive Trope — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 20:09:45 +0000

In reply to You keep narrowing this down

I've thought a lot about how exactly to respond to this because I don't want to be misunderstood - although as a post-structuralist I tend to believe this an impossible dream.

But to the charge that I'm "getting dangerously close to being the guy who thinks he has to tell the little woman how to behave," I would only say that I have commented in the same manner as I always have to any blogger or commenter regarding whatever issue may be at hand. Sometimes this manner comes across as (or is) arrogant. In the end, all of us are telling each other our opinion about what we think the other should believe or behave or whatever. In this general sense, none of it has anything to do with gender. Of course, everything has to do with gender.

And while I have thought a lot about how to answer this, trying to be concise alludes me. In the end, I am just wrangling with my comments and my intentions behind them being reduced to some kind desire to reinforce the patriarchy.

We can disagree about how to converse with the "GOP women" who continue to support their "GOP men" and embrace a culture that leads those on the other side to perceive them as being dictated to regarding the big decisions. But I find it a little disheartening that as soon as the disagreement arises- the sexist card is thrown at me.

My comments were not about

Elusive Trope — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:48:59 +0000

In reply to Come on Trope, really? I am

My comments were not about how people should express how they feel about this issue. They are about persuading those who operate through a different paradigm. Standing up to oppression is different than persuading the oppressors that they are indeed oppressing, although from time to time standing up might end up persuading.

Come on Trope, really? I am

tmccarthy0 — Wed, 15 Feb 2012 05:21:24 +0000

In reply to If there is something I am

Come on Trope, really? I am feeling some rage about this whole anti-woman crusade of the GOP, and I think that I not only have the right to feel rage, but that is can do us some good. Both Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins have clearly rejected the Republican jihad against womyn.. Plus there is this, even though many men support womyn and our quest to keep government from making decisions about our bodies, this is an issue that is exclusively our issue. This affects us and our daughters and our granddaughters directly, it affects our health. Our bodies are once again under attack. I think Ramona's tone is fine and we get to feel some rage over this, because it seems there are many men in congress who continue to believe they can score political points by continuing to politicize RH. That just isn't an acceptable anymore.

We as women are quite used to being told to sit back, don't be so mad, take the right tone, etc and so on, but we don't live in medieval America it is the 21st century. Standing up for ourselves is essential, otherwise nothing changes and a little rage on our part can help push the nation towards change.

Thank you, Aunt Sam. And

Ramona — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:20:34 +0000

In reply to Ramona, It's apparent we're

Thank you, Aunt Sam. And likewise. I'm glad you're here.

Ramona, It's apparent we're

Aunt Sam — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:55:50 +0000

In reply to Absolutely, Aunt Sam. Any

Ramona,

It's apparent we're all still struggling. For equality in all life's arenas and within our own ranks.

Always value your messages and efforts. Please don't ever stop delivering both.

Absolutely, Aunt Sam. Any

Ramona — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:37:31 +0000

In reply to Ramona, To tell the truth,

Absolutely, Aunt Sam. Any woman who can sit back and watch these men get bolder and bolder as they describe what life for women is going to be like when they get the power, deserves all the anger we can muster. But to be out there cheering them on--for those women I reserve a special kind of rage.

You and I were both around when women were struggling for the equality that should have been ours from the very beginning. I'm not about to sit back and watch it disappear again.

When a Neanderthal like Rick Santorum rises up in the polls and has a good chance of winning the presidency, all bets are off. We come out fighting or we'll lose it all.

You keep narrowing this down

Ramona — Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:18:07 +0000

In reply to If there is something I am

You keep narrowing this down to the women you know in the bible belt who have been conditioned since birth to let men make even the most life-changing decisions for them.

I don't believe for a minute that all Republican women, or even Tea Party women, fit that slot. I know too many pro-"life" women who could tear their men to shreds if they wanted to.

But I have to tell you, Trope, you're getting dangerously close to being the guy who thinks he has to tell the little woman how to behave.