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Nice post, Destor. Didn't

anna am — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 16:47:02 +0000

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Nice post, Destor. Didn't see the earlier one(s), but I sure liked reading this.

And, Lis, your subtle point is well taken here. Zimmerman's well connected and seems to get charged with things that miraculously just don't stick. Hm. Can we connect those dots?

Just to qualify, those are

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 06:19:38 +0000

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Just to qualify, those are records from a few weeks 7 years before, when he was 21 - people do have rough spells. In his time doing neighborhood watch, I don't know that there are any other reports of violence than this shooting.

The original framing of this

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 06:18:23 +0000

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The original framing of this story was an innocent 17-year-old walking home from 7-11 and getting attacked by overzealous racist white/Hispanic vigilante.

For which I shared the outrage, as well as the "Stand Your Ground" law, which seems to increase the chance of gun nuttiness.

Does a suspension with women's jewelry & a watch in his backpack alter my feelings? It does make me question whether Martin might have been doing something else on his way home, having more access to the gated community, though the conversation with his girlfriend points away from that.

Ignoring the gun issue, was Zimmerman a wacko, or doing a job that was increasingly necessary with more and more crime - 8 burglaries & 9 thefts in just over a year, seemingly caused in a large part by "young black males"?:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/videogallery/68785741/News/Neighbor-talks...

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/03/23/did-trayvon-shooter-abu...

So for me I'm left with a tougher question - how to decrease crime and tone-down fear of "young black males" so crimeless blacks don't get targeted and people of all colors don't get their homes ripped off.

And how to get guns off the street - for criminals and vigilantes.

What I still doubt is that a much thinner though much taller Martin would attack a much bulkier Zimmerman unprovoked. Even though I don't like the reverse profiling of Zimmerman based on 1 rather unflattering photo.

I would like to know what forensics say about Zimmerman's wounds - such as the supposed broken bone.

In any case, I suspect we're just going to get 2 tribes yelling "racist" and "soft-on-crime" at each other and progress not an inch.

According to some records

LisB — Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:53:28 +0000

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According to some records found, so far, George Zimmerman is the son of retired Supreme (FL) Court Magistrate Judge Robert J. Zimmerman, and his mother Gladys Zimmerman is a court clerk. A friend of mine found that he might have three closed arrests, 7/18/2005 for resisting arrest with violence and battery on a law enforcement officer, Div 10 (whatever that means).

8/9/2005 for domestic violence div 44?

And again on 8/10/2005 domestic violence div 46.

I don't know what any of this means, but I know violence when I see it.

I suggest we all continue to watch this case, and stay on top of comments on it, seeing as how the media is now trying to paint Trayvon black - and you know what I mean by THAT.

If you have no gun to plant;

Resistance — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:33:22 +0000

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If you have no gun to plant; plant stolen goods?

Smash your nose against a tree and claim you were assaulted

Or grab a bag of skittles from a kids hands and when the kid fights, to recover his goods, claim he attacked you.

It's easy to speculate.

The whole thing smells rotten.

It's time to storm Old Navy.

DF — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:44:38 +0000

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It's time to storm Old Navy. It's the only way we can keep our children safe from Obama.

Thanks for the news tip,

artappraiser — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:57:35 +0000

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Thanks for the news tip, here's a better link:

Trayvon Martin Investigator Wanted Manslaughter Charge
By Matt Gutman in Sandford, ABC News, March 27

The lead homicide investigator in the shooting of unarmed teenager Trayvon Martin recommended that neighborhood watch captain George Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter the night of the shooting, multiple sources told ABC News.

But Sanford, Fla., Investigator Chris Serino was instructed to not press charges against Zimmerman because the state attorney's office headed by Norman Wolfinger determined there wasn't enough evidence to lead to a conviction, the sources told ABC News.

Police brought Zimmerman into the station for questioning for a few hours on the night of the shooting, said Zimmerman's attorney, despite his request for medical attention first. Ultimately they had to accept Zimmerman's claim of self defense. He was never charged with a crime.

Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night that Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, that stated he was unconvinced Zimmerman's version of events [....]

These folks disgust me, and

tmccarthy0 — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:42:30 +0000

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These folks disgust me, and if there was ever a case for stand your ground isn't it in Trayvon's favor? He was being stalked, he was being harassed?

And according to the lead homicide investigator didn't believe Zimmerman, he wanted to arrest him, but the States Attorney said no. According to the ABC report:

Chris Serino filed an affidavit on Feb. 26, the night Martin was shot and killed by Zimmerman, saying he did not believe Zimmerman's version of events.

Oh, and in case you're not

Michael Maiello — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 21:22:58 +0000

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Oh, and in case you're not annoyed enough, Drudge is now carrying stories about how Obama's campaign is selling Hoodies. Which the campaign also sold in 2008. And which is something Mitt's campaign sells as well. But... outrage!

Yeah, the police seem to be

Michael Maiello — Tue, 27 Mar 2012 20:54:28 +0000

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Yeah, the police seem to be the real issue. The local PD has a huge interest in making this go away. If Zimmerman is ultimately charged with a crime and convicted the next step is likely a civil rights investigation into the whole department, maybe even into the region. Who knows what that would unearth? A whole lotta pensions are on the line, to say the least.