dagblog - Comments for "The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils" http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/afghan-warcollective-guilt-without-agency-collective-punishment-without-proportionality Comments for "The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils" en ?As you apply a law http://dagblog.com/comment/153343#comment-153343 <a id="comment-153343"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/afghan-warcollective-guilt-without-agency-collective-punishment-without-proportionality">The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><a href="http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www10.nytimes.com/2012/04/30/nyregion/testimony-of-4-admitted-terrorists-gives-a-rare-view-of-al-qaeda.html?_r=5&amp;hpw">“As you apply a law enforcement model to these cases, people always cooperate,” said Anthony S. Barkow, a former federal prosecutor who specialized in terrorism cases and now works in private practice. “It took a long time in organized crime; it is taking less time with national security.”</a></p> </div></div></div> Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:37:47 +0000 jollyroger comment 153343 at http://dagblog.com New wall hanging at the http://dagblog.com/comment/153189#comment-153189 <a id="comment-153189"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/afghan-warcollective-guilt-without-agency-collective-punishment-without-proportionality">The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iirNZRFmjS1h_hqn3NHsRGTOdcfA?docId=9dc2fa20b0fa4d80a7eaa8180ecdb7c3">New wall hanging at the pentagon:</a></p> <p> </p> <p class="rtecenter"><span style="font-size:28px;"><strong>​ONE </strong></span><span style="font-size: 28px; ">DAY</span></p> <p class="rtecenter"> </p> <p class="rtecenter"><span style="font-size: 28px; ">​WITH NO GREEN ON BLUE FIRE</span></p> <p class="rtecenter"> </p> <p class="rteleft"><span style="font-size: 28px; ">​They tear off the number sheet as days accumulate between incidents, kinda like factory floor accidents at Ford.</span></p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 23:18:28 +0000 jollyroger comment 153189 at http://dagblog.com http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ http://dagblog.com/comment/153179#comment-153179 <a id="comment-153179"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153178#comment-153178">He didn&#039;t say it??</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_misquotations</a></p> <p> </p> <p>Wikipedia strikes again, what a cool site.</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:26:28 +0000 jollyroger comment 153179 at http://dagblog.com He didn't say it?? http://dagblog.com/comment/153178#comment-153178 <a id="comment-153178"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153175#comment-153175">A great quote, and it sure</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>He <strong>didn't</strong> say it??</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:23:16 +0000 jollyroger comment 153178 at http://dagblog.com A great quote, and it sure http://dagblog.com/comment/153175#comment-153175 <a id="comment-153175"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153170#comment-153170">&quot;Oh yeah, name one.&quot; ​That is</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>A great quote, and it sure sounds like something Stalin would say. But like all the best quotations, it's apocryphal. Still, you're both right.</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 21:00:47 +0000 acanuck comment 153175 at http://dagblog.com "Oh yeah, name one." ​That is http://dagblog.com/comment/153170#comment-153170 <a id="comment-153170"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153157#comment-153157">Part owner of Murder,</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p><em><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; ">"Oh yeah, </span><em style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; ">name one</em><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; ">."</span></em></p> <p><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17px; ">​That is actually a brilliant rendering of Stalin's famous line (from memory) one dead child is a tragedy. ten thousand dead children are a statistic.  One of the "tells" of our racist/imperial mindset is the way that our dead have names that demand annual repetition (Okla City, World Trade Center...) whereas the collaterally damaged never have names.</span></p> <p> </p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:30:11 +0000 jollyroger comment 153170 at http://dagblog.com I would argue that the recent http://dagblog.com/comment/153169#comment-153169 <a id="comment-153169"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153154#comment-153154">&quot;The flaws are built into the</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>I would argue that the recent massacre is merely the logical extension of the concept of "collateral damage", superimposed on a force stressed beyond all previous limits to deployment, only "functioning" via massive psychotropic medical intervention, and mobilized in pursuit of unattainable (and undesirable) results.</p> <p> </p> <p>Sheesh!</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 20:26:36 +0000 jollyroger comment 153169 at http://dagblog.com Part owner of Murder, http://dagblog.com/comment/153157#comment-153157 <a id="comment-153157"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/comment/153154#comment-153154">&quot;The flaws are built into the</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Part owner of Murder, Incorporated is a very good metaphor, methinks. The easy acceptance of all the killing reminds me of a cynical crack a friend made years ago. We were eating lunch and reading the paper and I saw an article about famine.</p> <p><br /> Me, "Listen to this, Eddy. It says a million people died this past year in China from starvation!" [Million? Billion? I can't remember, but it was a tragically large number]<br /> Eddy, "Oh yeah, <em>name one</em>."</p> <p><br /> We laughed and went on eating.</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 18:23:02 +0000 A Guy Called LULU comment 153157 at http://dagblog.com "The flaws are built into the http://dagblog.com/comment/153154#comment-153154 <a id="comment-153154"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/afghan-warcollective-guilt-without-agency-collective-punishment-without-proportionality">The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>"The flaws are built into the tool."</p> <p>Exactly, Jolly.</p> <p>And the horror is that the United States has built -- and integrated into its economy, policies, society, strategic thinking and world view -- the most perfect, state-of-the-art, ridiculously expensive version of that tool one could ever imagine.</p> <p>The perfect hammer for any nail, screw, nut and bolt, cork, twist-top or moral dilemma.</p> <p>So it gets repeatedly picked up, and used. Over and over.</p> <p>The hammer has a mind of its own, plus it's got loads of money, so it has a vast lobbying machine to ensure that everyone else continues to think like it does.</p> <p>So a docile public keeps parroting the "bad apple" explanation for atrocity. It's easier than coming to grips with being part-owner of Murder, Incorporated.</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 17:12:39 +0000 acanuck comment 153154 at http://dagblog.com Who are the one in four who http://dagblog.com/comment/153141#comment-153141 <a id="comment-153141"></a> <p><em>In reply to <a href="http://dagblog.com/reader-blogs/afghan-warcollective-guilt-without-agency-collective-punishment-without-proportionality">The afghan war:collective guilt without agency. Collective punishment without proportionality. Instinctively, America recoils</a></em></p> <div class="field field-name-comment-body field-type-text-long field-label-hidden"><div class="field-items"><div class="field-item even"><p>Who are the  one in four who thinks things are going well in Afghanistan...what are <strong>they</strong> smoking?</p> </div></div></div> Thu, 26 Apr 2012 07:32:03 +0000 jollyroger comment 153141 at http://dagblog.com