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Wikipedia says that you can

hoover — Tue, 17 Sep 2013 10:14:09 +0000

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Wikipedia says that you can make quadrium by smashing deuterium into tritium, but that it then immediately decays back into tritium by emitting a neutron. The tritium could then beta decay to Helium-3 but that doesn't help us with our neutron problem (or add anything to existing fusion pathways).

The difference here would be the energy of the neutron that was added to tritium was much lower - could that allow a beta decay? I mean, a beta decay from 4H to 4He would have to be the holy grail wouldn't it?

But at the moment I don't get how these new "low energy" neutrons that are created by electron capture get combined with tritium in the first place (or deuterium for that matter). It seems too improbable.

I guess I will find time to dig into the maths if I can, more in hope than expectation - actually not even hope - just curiosity to find out what is really going on.

Eric and Thomas' analysis go

Verified Atheist — Tue, 01 May 2012 18:10:50 +0000

In reply to Sharon Astyk discussed

Eric and Thomas' analysis go along with my intuition (and science knowledge).

Brian's comment is definitely food for thought.

Sharon Astyk discussed

Donal — Tue, 01 May 2012 17:45:54 +0000

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Sharon Astyk discussed Whipple's post and got some good comments:
Will Quantum Fusion Save the Day?

Eric Lund:
I count four collisions that have to happen for this process to operate as described:
p + e- -> n + ν
p + n -> 2H
2H + n -> 3H
3H + n -> 4H
followed by a beta decay
4H -> 4He + e- + antiν
where ν represents a neutrino.

The first collision and the beta decay are plausible. What I don't see is how you get the other three collisions to happen while conserving both energy and momentum (and have them happen before the neutrons decay via n -> p + e- + antiν). I don't see any evidence of intentional fraud, but the underlying physics is, as Pauli put it, not even wrong. In stars, the way you get deuterium is via p + p -> 2H + e+ + ν.

That's in addition to the implementation issues discussed in the post.

Thomas Huld:
Just to pile on the scepticism of the previous comments: the proposed mechanism seems very odd. Even if you do somehow manage to produce neutrons, the neutron absorption cross section of deuterium is extremely small, some 10000 times smaller than for nickel(*). So out of every 10000 neutrons generated, 9999 would be absorbed by the nickel for every tritium nucleus made. And that is just one of the steps. A quick look at some neutron absorption values for palladium gives similar results (maybe a few times smaller).

Brian M:
I'm never really sure what scares me more, the idea that there is no cheap-clean-limitless replacement for fossil fuels, or that there might be.

Ask 10 questions to

David Sweden — Tue, 01 May 2012 05:44:42 +0000

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Ask 10 questions to Brillouin!

http://lenrforum.eu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=196

So the reaction does not need

Pierre R — Sun, 29 Apr 2012 06:18:06 +0000

In reply to According to a periodic table

So the reaction does not need quadrium. If quadrium is produced from tritium, it decays immediately back into tritium.

According to a periodic table

Donal — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 13:08:54 +0000

In reply to According to Wikipedia,

According to a periodic table site, H4 decays to Tritium, as you noted, but then loses a beta particle to decay to Helium 3.

According to Wikipedia,

Pierre R — Sat, 28 Apr 2012 12:52:56 +0000

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According to Wikipedia, hydrogen-4 does not decay into Helium but into tritium through neutron emission. What are the isotopes of helium produced? Did they detect helium-3?

In my opinion, they don't understand the reaction, maybe it is a mean to better communicate about their product.

When do they expect to sell their product?

You've actually explained

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:46:49 +0000

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You've actually explained Godes' hypothesis better than any other articles I have read on this subject.

There have been so many of

Verified Atheist — Fri, 27 Apr 2012 18:25:36 +0000

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There have been so many of these [LENR] reports by reliable and respected scientists that it has become absurd to claim that the phenomenon is fraudulent or that all these scientists are mistaken in their observations. Currently there are at least six different organizations around the world saying they have a commercially useful heat-producing device under development which they will be demonstrating soon. ...

They seem to be ignoring the flip side of that argument. Why are they always coming "soon"?