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Meta news: another round to

artappraiser — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 22:30:33 +0000

In reply to It appears that the TPMCafe site has been taken down from the web?

Meta news: another round to begin in the eternal comments BETA (as has become traditional, timed for a major election?):

New Commenting System
By Josh Marshall, September 7, 2012, 4:38 PM, TPM Editor’s Blog

As I noted last week, TPM will soon be replacing Facebook comments with new commenting system which will allow users to login via [....]

That was one of my better

EmmaZahn — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:20:16 +0000

In reply to Note to Emma Zahn: you're on

That was one of my better comments. Thanks for the link and TPMCafe archive update.

Often "trolling" gets

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 05:16:45 +0000

In reply to I agree with Donal here. Josh

Often "trolling" gets redefined to "that I don't believe in".

Overall, there was much more creative writing at TPM, and much harder pursuit of ideas. Overall, more similar minds drifted here, and it's just a subset of the discussion.

Also, the steam peaked with 2008 elections - hard to do that over. And yeah, Josh blew it by making it Election Central, so after the election, couldn't go back to actually focusing on issues as they'd all turned into campaign fodder.

It wasn't about "moderating" - Josh had a specific mode, thought he was going to make money, thought lining up behind Obama made sense (say buh-bye Greg Sargent!), thought could run a paper without the Cafe rabble, and then it disintegrated.

So here we are - play on!

Note to Emma Zahn: you're on

artappraiser — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:46:01 +0000

In reply to In an unrelated google

Note to Emma Zahn: you're on it, along with other old fun names like irishkg, Devon, viviane....

In an unrelated google

artappraiser — Tue, 28 Aug 2012 04:43:11 +0000

In reply to It appears that the TPMCafe site has been taken down from the web?

In an unrelated google search, just came across a good old (2006) TPMCafe long-term news discussion thread I started there, fully intact on the internet tubes, at its original url yet:

Muslim Women Don't See Themselves as Oppressed, Survey Finds
June 8, 2006, 11:53AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2006/06/muslim-women-dont-see-themselv...

Don't know what it means, whether stuff from TPMCafe is being put back on the web, or it's just a fluke; don't have time to check right now, maybe later. Just wanted to note the url see if it helps figure out what's going on.

?The true test of character

chucktrotter — Wed, 20 Jun 2012 01:46:46 +0000

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“The true test of character is not how much we know how to do, but how we behave when we don't know what to do.”

John W. Holt Jr.

`Huffington Post is self destructing and, alas, greed motivates TPM!

I agree with Donal here. Josh

Doctor Cleveland — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 15:13:17 +0000

In reply to I have no gripe with Josh.

I agree with Donal here. Josh gave us platforms on the Cafe, for free, and without that I would not have met the Dagbloggers or come to Dag. So I'm grateful to him for that.

He was also patient with a forum that had, at times, a whole lotta trolling going on. His patience wasn't inexhaustible, but it lasted a long time. And he deserves credit for that.

I have no gripe with Josh.

Donal — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:58:11 +0000

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I have no gripe with Josh. I've seen a lot of sites I liked go down in flames. Sometime moderation works, but it is a tough balancing act, and is a lot of work. I would have preferred that he keep the Cafe' going, controlled the trolls, etc. but as I wasn't paying him anything I don't really have much room to complain. I enjoyed it while it was there.

WE WERE ONCE FRIENDS, THEN

tmccarthy0 — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:55:33 +0000

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WE WERE ONCE FRIENDS, THEN YOU INSULTED STING: GAUNTLET THROWN AND ACCEPTED, WE WILL MEET IN "FIELDS OF BARLEY", WINNER TO BECOME AN "ENGLISHMAN IN NEW YORK".

I definitely feel kindly

Michael Maiello — Mon, 18 Jun 2012 14:50:50 +0000

In reply to I sometimes wonder if after,

I definitely feel kindly towards him. But, I'm confused, in much the way you describe. It's amazing that he turned a blog into an actual media enterprise. He has employed some very good journalists and he's made an impact.

Still... TPM seems unfocused to me. I went there today and got... George Zimmerman trial news? Meanwhile, I think he's missed major stories. Not a word in the euro crisis, for example. But we do get, "GOP In A Pickle On Obamacare," which just seems like wishful thinking to me.

Then there's the issue of Josh's opinions. The guy's just not a radical. That's okay. Not everybody has to be. But, he's very middle of the road compared to your average dag user or former TPMCafer. He's not the kind of guy who is going to get angry at the president over telecom immunity or drone strikes.

He also, yes, sees his mission as one of helping out the team through honest advocacy journalism. I think the advocacy has undermined some of its inherent usefulness and tht TPM seems sometimes afraid to speak truth to power when it sees its side is in power. Jon Stewart will go places where Josh Marshall won't.

Again, all of that's fine. But it's left TPM a little bland for my tastes. As for the new commenting software and new commenters -- they seem very process oriented, very election focused and very partisan in a kind of mainstream way. There also doesn't seem to be much depth of conversation -- there's not a lot of back and forth.

Ah, well. The world is certainly a better place with TPM in it and I hope Josh accomplishes what he wants to accomplish. What happened is, over time, he kind of grew less relevant to me. The same thing happened with Sting.