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1934 congress approved the

St8LineGunsmith — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:40:17 +0000

In reply to Anon, your arguments are so

1934 congress approved the national firearms act regulating sub machine guns

in order that it would be nearly impossible for average joe blow to own a machine gun

which at that time included the Thompson sub machine gun and Browning automatic rifle

folks like the Dillinger gang and Bonny and Clyde are to thank for the passing of this bill

these type of weapons were designed and manufactured for the express purpose of militairy use in combat situations.

this documented proof kind of throws the arguement out the window

1968
The Gun Control Act of 1968 - "...was enacted for the purpose of keeping firearms out of the hands of those not legally entitled to possess them because of age, criminal background, or incompetence." -- Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms The Act regulates imported guns, expands the gun-dealer licensing and record keeping requirements, and places specific limitations on the sale of handguns. The list of persons banned from buying guns is expanded to include persons convicted of any non-business related felony, persons found to be mentally incompetent, and users of illegal drugs.

GEZ I wish people would

St8LineGunsmith — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 07:18:28 +0000

In reply to Not all "assault rifles" are

GEZ I wish people would educate themselves before they comment about crap they evidently have no clue what they are talking about.

assult rifles are full auto capable firearms that have select fire capabilities or 3 round burst

expressley manufactured for military and are not available for private ownership

the AR-15 is NOT a Assult rifle it is a modern sporting rifle that is made on the same platform as the M-16 which only shoots semi automatic mode.

AK 47 is a militairy assult rifle thatis select fire capable and is not readily available to the open market.

AKS AK74 is a imported semi auto MSR that is made on the same platform as the AK47 but only capable to fire in semi auto mode

although these rifles can be used to hunt with they are somewhat inferrior to a rifle designed for the express purpose of hunting due to the lack of their knock down power and limited accurate range.

what people fail to realize before the militairy had M-16 they had the BAR Browning automatic rifle which chambered the .30-06 round which has 3 times the lethality and twice the range than any one of the above mentioned rifles.

please stop giving the antis fuel for the fire by calling MSR's assult rifles!

are you so ignorant to think

St8LineGunsmith — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:56:19 +0000

In reply to How about you prove to me

are you so ignorant to think that most thugs/criminals obtain firearms legally?

the average citizen cannot afford assult rifles as I stated earlier AR-15's are not assult rifles they are classified as modern sporting rifles which are perfectly legal to hunt with provided that they are equipped with the proper magazine used for the expressed purpose for hunting law hunters do not go out into the woods to needlessly kill innocent anilals only criminal poachers do that. Hunters do more for the preservation and conservation of wildlife than any other group or Orginization in this nation.

an AR-15 uses a 5.56 or .223 round which is much less lethal and has less range than a Remington 7077 carbine that shoots the 30-06 Springfield cartridge which is designated as a sport rifle for the purpose of hunting big game if this guy would have went into that theater with one of these rifles instead of the MSR he used there would have been a lot more casulties due to the fact that most of the suvivors could not have survived the blunt force trauma the round would have inflicted on the victim.

I will bring back the old quote that went around when Columbine happened...

guns kill people like spoons made Rosie Odonell fat.

people who think gun control is the solution to lowering the crime rate in this nation are blinded by the darkness.

if guns were to ever be outlawed in this country which I pray to Almighty God that never happens only outlaws will posess them.

that is a scary thought.

it might do you some good to do some research before expressing your ignorant opinions

you are the one being an

St8LineGunsmith — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 06:20:37 +0000

In reply to "Here is a fact: Guns have

you are the one being an idiot!

According to the BATFE muzleloaders and cap and ball revolvers are not even considered as firearms.

AR-15's SKS, AKS are classified as modern sporting rifles not assult rifles

assult rifles like M-16's and AK 47's Thompson sub machine guns and Browning Automatic rifles are highly restricted and almost Impossible to obtain but if a law abiding citizen has enough money and is willing to pay the tax stamp and can pass a criminal background check then it is perfectly legal for them to obtain one that is transferrable and that is how it should be

if you think this guy could not have done the same amount of damage with multiple ten round magazines , a pump shotgun or a bolt action .30-06 or a couple of cap and ball revolver's with multiple loaded drop in cylinders or a compound bow with a quiver full of broadhead tipped arrows or a samurai sword for that matter then you are just as ignorant as the rest of the antis.

if someone has their mind set on killing people then they could just as easily pull it off by other means besides using an MSR or hand gun.

there will always be mentally disturbed people in this nation but you cannot stomp all over other peoples constitutional second amendment right to own and bare arms that they may protect their family and property or for the sole reason they just simply like guns.

get on one side of the fence or the other and stop straddling it!

by the way they are not clips they are magazines

Well, I'm not against

Aaron Carine — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 21:12:07 +0000

In reply to Obviously concealed weapons

Well, I'm not against certification and oversight, Peracles.

Hmmm, somehow from your

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:07:25 +0000

In reply to I don't know if any type of

Hmmm, somehow from your statements about outlawing firearms, banning guns, and rescinding the 2nd amendment we're supposed to divine that you're against banning handguns and explicitly address your unspoken concern.

OK, I don't support banning handguns.

I've been pretty clear about the types of weapons I believe should be removed from the civilian market. There seems to be a consensus here on at least this point. Military style automatic and semi-automatic assault rifles and clips larger than 10 rounds should be removed from the civilian market. As for handguns, there are handguns that are little more than hand held machine guns with clips that can hold up to 50 rounds. I would include them.

I would go farther. I would close the gun show loophole and extend the waiting period to 7 days. This may surprise you and I'm guessing some here will disagree, but I do support concealed carry permits. Though only if there are clear standards for the use of a gun in public and severe penalties for misuse. Carrying a gun is an awesome responsibility and accidents and mistakes are unacceptable. You don't get to say, "oops" and walk away scot free. Only after an extremely detailed and comprehensive course explaining those responsibilities and punishments should a person get a concealed carry permit.

Gun ownership is not just a right but also a responsibility. Guns are not toys. The 2nd amendment does not say, "Cause you want to have fun, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." If someone misuses that right punishment should be severe. Then people might make a serious choice rather than a frivolous one and we might see less "dick waving" by gun owners.

This is simply not true.

ocean-kat — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:02:21 +0000

In reply to " All of America--or at least

This is simply not true. Again I'll repeat my post. Even this most conservative Supreme court does not agree with your assessment of the 2nd amendment.

In the conservative Supreme Court opinion written by Scalia, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/07-290.ZS.html

2. Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.

There was no reason the Supreme Court had to include this paragraph in striking down DC's hand gun law. But for some reason the most conservative members of the Supreme Court decided to make it clear that while striking down the law that the 2nd amendment is NOT a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose. Miller, which effectively banned sawed off shotguns, was affirmed. It decided that the "sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time”"

Not all "assault rifles" are

Neal — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 19:54:50 +0000

In reply to How about you prove to me

Not all "assault rifles" are automatic. Most of the "assault rifles" purchased legally in the U.S.A. are semi-automatic. Depending on your local hunting laws and the caliber of the "assault rifle" they are great for hunting.

Michael Moore was thoughtful,

acanuck — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 17:33:49 +0000

In reply to Killers aim to kill, Guns do the killing, the NRA protects the guns, Lawmakers protect the NRA, Killers aim to kill.

Michael Moore was thoughtful, impassioned but common-sensical on CNN yesterday:

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/category/piers-morgan-tonight/the-piers...

Although Piers Morgan kept doing what CNN anchors always do, which is rudely interrupt their guests' answers to promo their own fascinating questions "coming up after the break." I was going to stick around through the commercials, Piers. Now you've just pissed me off. Where's my gun?

Obviously concealed weapons

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 25 Jul 2012 13:45:39 +0000

In reply to I don't know if any type of

Obviously concealed weapons will have some deterrent effect (as well as cause some gun-related crime or accidents) - probably over-hyped, but real.

The Constitution doesn't quite say "gun purchases won't be tracked or accounted for", but that's the kind of deadenders zone we've ended up in. So legally concealed weapons are probably the small part of the problem - stolen or unregistered weapons spread across the country create unaccountability for whoever's on the wrong side of the law.

There are often additional penalties for using a gun in a crime, but a lot of people doing crimes don't calculate prison time into their behavior anyway, though many of those are just smart enough to realize that a gun tied to your drivers license may not be the smartest thing to use in a robbery or murder.

Now if the Aurora killer thought he was going out in a blaze of glory, no sentencing deterrents would change that except keeping the easier most deadly weapons out of his hands.

That we probably can't track the source of his weapons signifies one of the problems in this scenario - it's just extremely easy to be deadly with a weapon, while we would never let someone act like an electrician, pilot or professional driver without some kind of certification and oversight. But some guy in a powdered wig with a musket said different 240 years ago, and that's what we're sticking with.