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Hey bwak, Just got

Aunt Sam — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 03:53:15 +0000

Hey bwak,

Just got this.....

Yesterday, Sarah Cantor and Brian Real, graduate students in Maryland, sent Lambda Legal an email letting us know that they and their friends were promoting a Facebook event they created called “Donate (the cost of) a Chicken Dinner to Marriage Equality Day”. These students took action in response to the restaurant chain Chick-fil-A’s anti-gay stance, encouraging Facebook users all around the country to donate $6.50 (the cost of a chicken dinner) to an organization fighting for equality.

Hungry For Equality?: Make Your $6.50 Gift Today!

The swift reaction we have seen to Chick-fil-A’s anti-gay stance has highlighted something Lambda Legal has been saying for some time now: the winds of change are not coming…they’re already here.

Well, not to worry. The Dems

Donal — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 21:15:05 +0000

In reply to Traffic congestion? Well,

Well, not to worry. The Dems will cave, and then you can go back to complaining that the world is moving to the right.

Traffic congestion? Well,

acanuck — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:35:03 +0000

In reply to Chik-Fil-A is asking for

Traffic congestion? Well, that changes everything, doesn't it?

First time it's been mentioned in this thread, though.

You're rationalizing and obfuscating. Totally, totally wrong.

Chik-Fil-A is asking for

Donal — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 20:26:05 +0000

In reply to I support the right to

Chik-Fil-A is asking for zoning relief — a new ordinance. They want to subdivide in an already traffic-congested area. What do they bring to the city? A few minimum wage jobs, increased traffic, more solid waste, profits sent back to Georgia and a mess of attitude? Here's another opportunity to bend over backwards for people that hate us. Boy, howdy, how can we say no?

Kudos, BTW, to destor for the

acanuck — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:19:13 +0000

In reply to I support the right to

Kudos, BTW, to destor for the original op-ed/post. "The slippery slope here is obvious," he wrote. Yeah, and even more obvious after reading through this thread.

I support the right to

acanuck — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 19:11:22 +0000

In reply to I don't think Chik-Fil-A

I support the right to same-sex marriage; I oppose DOMA and similar state laws. But in this case, Peracles and Lulu are totally, totally right and Donal is totally wrong. It isn't a question of how tolerant conservatives are, and it isn't a question of "my side" winning. It's a question of whether you stand for consistent principles and equal application of laws and processes.

If that's too hard, try the simple "do unto others" test: Imagine redneck urban officials trying to ban or obstruct a company or institution from setting up in their city because it supports gay marriage. Or birth control. Or abortion. Or civil rights. It's easy to imagine, because we've seen it happen. Wrong there, wrong here.

I don't think Chik-Fil-A

Donal — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 18:05:05 +0000

In reply to Sometimes smart people do not

I don't think Chik-Fil-A statements can be dismissed as mere thought, nor do I consider their beliefs criminal (though Bwak mentioned that there have been complaints) just unpleasant. I used to be far more tolerant of conservatives, but in return have found that they have become far less tolerant of me. I'm tired of being a doormat, so to the extent I get to choose with whom I associate, I do so. So if I was in charge of a tolerant, cosmopolitan place, I wouldn't be hurling any keys to the city at Chik-Fil-A.

Sometimes smart people do not

A Guy Called LULU — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 17:00:17 +0000

In reply to Allowing a group to hold a

Sometimes smart people do not expect to change the minds of people who disagree, they don't even try, they find it more expedient and pragmatic to encourage the mental reactions and then the overt actions of those who already agree with them. Sometimes the reactions they encourage are knee-jerk and wrong, or at least should be more nuanced, but once defended they are likely to be defended until the bitter end.
We have enough trouble correctly dealing with breakers of legitimate laws. I am completely against any action which tip toes around near the slippery slope of thought-crime and how to punish thought-crime, if we see a thought as being such, by stretching and misusing the proper application of legitimate laws.

Allowing a group to hold a

Donal — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 16:40:10 +0000

In reply to Was referring to various ACLU

Allowing a group to hold a political march or convention in your city is not the same as encouraging them to open a business in your city.

Smart people don't alienate the folk they're trying to convince.

Was referring to various ACLU

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 31 Jul 2012 15:08:45 +0000

In reply to Yes, if Hell's Angels or

Was referring to various ACLU actions on marches/conventions.

Smart people don't alienate their pharmacists or they won't sell them contraceptives.

Smart people don't talk back to policemen or they get taken to jail on spurious charges.

Smart people don't talk politics with their neighbors or their kids will get strange looks.

It's a wonder smart people talk at all.