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Most of Q's ranting doesn't

Aaron Carine — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:30:04 +0000

In reply to See? This is what I'm talking

Most of Q's ranting doesn't seem to require an answer. However, I will say that I wouldn't be opposed to commemorating BOTH Munich and 7/7 at the Olympics, although it is more fitting to commemorate an atrocity that actually happened at the Olympics. But since they've refused a moment of silence for the Israelis, they shouldn't have a moment for 7/7 either. It would be an insult to the victims of 1972.

Bslev may have been mistaken when he talked about how polite people are here.

Peracles, you're being

Aaron Carine — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 19:18:10 +0000

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Peracles, you're being absurd. I'm not telling Britain to "not take 7/7 personally". If that's how you read it, you're just not paying attention. If you agree with me about the timing, why are you getting upset about it?

I really do not want to get

Bruce Levine — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 18:04:25 +0000

In reply to Of course. If the entire

I really do not want to get involved in these kinds of debates, but sometimes I make the mistake of reading them.

So politicians in Israel exploit matters for political gain, OK.

So the bombing of the King David Hotel in 1946 was an act of terrorism, OK.

So the only athletes to have been murdered at the Olympic games are those from the Jewish State. Truth.

So suggesting that the IOC's stance on commemorating the Olympic games is something other than anti-semitism at the core is what, taboo? Do I have to assume--because everyone says it's so--that murdering Jewish athletes at the Olympics was all about Israel as state actor and nothing more? Or do I have to pretend to agree that athletes from any other nation in the world would be spat upon like this by the international community? Bullshit.

The fact of the matter is there is no reason that Jews should have to ask to be treated like human beings, even when those among their leadership treat some humans less than human. It's a fucking disgrace that the IOC cannot see to remember murdered Jewish athletes. And if they were from any other country it wouldn't be this way.

Jewish life was and is. . .cheap. And that is why you have the State of Israel. Everything else is commentary.

" I don't think Israelis

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 13:28:10 +0000

In reply to If the planning crew had been

" I don't think Israelis think that commemoration of Munich has anything to do with American elections."

Well he couldn't be bothered in 2002, but now he's outspoken about it, on the way to Israeli during his 3-country "world tour". Time to grow a clue? (make that 3 Olympics, Q)

"The terrorists had probably chosen the date for the bombing before London got the 2012 Olympics."

Beautiful, mind reader you are. I agree, likely they didn't wake up, read the morning paper, and go on a bombing spree. Did they time it to the announcement, the G-8, something else? Well we don't really know AFAIK, as the ones we know are all dead.

I'd go further, but next time there's a suicide/homicide bomber in Israel I'll just say, "don't take it so personally, dude - shit happens". Yes, you are so fucking right. Have a pleasant day.

Dude. Why not just put it in

Qnonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:52:06 +0000

In reply to If the planning crew had been

Dude. Why not just put it in reverse? Instead, you're scrambling around, looking for something to back up an opinion you've offered, but don't actually give a damn about, or know anything about. You see, your suggestion is that the event should be defined by what the terrorists wanted it to be about. Now, I know this is a strange thought, but how about we not bother even trying to tart that little gem of an idea up into a principle, ok?

Seriously. The Brits decided to commemorate their dead. You - and Bob Costas - really should have nothing to say about that. And after two Olympics spent not commemorating the Israelis, you should probably shut up about that as well.

See? This is what I'm talking

Qnonymous — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:32:00 +0000

In reply to Yes, I know what 7/7 is,

See? This is what I'm talking about. Big mouths who know nothing, who haven't previously given it even 10 seconds of thought, but whose Mama's evidently told them all their words we pearls and all their turds gold. "Blah blah blah blah, here's what I think the world should do. Not that I know a goddamn thing, but blah blah blah..." It f*cking never ends with Americans and stupid advice.

So here, try this. The United States hosted the Olympics in 1984 and 1996. Maybe you missed these utterly obnoxious festivals to corporate greed and semi-fascist flag-waving, but you know what? If you and assholes like Bob Costas wanted a goddamn memorial, and were so upset at its omission, then why didn't you JUST DO IT.

Oh wait. What's that? You were too busy stapling Coke logos to the front of small children and waving a flag and frothing at a global peace festival about how AMERICA's BACK, and thus, couldn't be bothered with a buncha Jews? Well, darn. Looks like you kinda showed how much you cared, America.

And now, if it's not too too much trouble America, the #1 nation that came to your support in your asinine Global War on Terror, and which lost a lot of people doing so, wishes to have a 10 second note to mark the loss of 50+ people to terrorists who struck while an entire city was celebrating its Olympic win. Jesus. The entire world has had to step gently gently around 9/11 and act like it was the onliest and worstest terrorist act and loss of human life ever ever, and have it brought up endlessly for how many years now, 11? And can you IMAGINE if it had hit NYC whole people were still celebrate their bring awarded the Olympics, can you IMAGINE the hot blowing air we'd be hearing right now, again and again going on about "the courage of this city... That the terrorists could not dissuade from holding is grand festival to peace.... Blah blah blah."

But let the Brits spend a moment celebrating, and the grand arbiters of what everybody else in the world should be doing feel justified in coming forward to hand out some more ignorant, but absolutely self-confident advice about what other people should do.

Here's what I think Americans should do, ok pal? As a nation, they should go back to school, shut up and learn something. Then, once they do, they should come out and visit... the rest of the world. It'll be scary, and you'll have to get these things called passports, but it'll do you good. And no, Hawaii and Alaska don't count. And then, after a generation or two of learning something, you know what should happen?

Yeah. You should still probably just shut the f*ck up, as penance for allowing people like Bob Goddamn Costas to ever speak in public.

If the planning crew had been

Aaron Carine — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 12:12:57 +0000

In reply to Of course. If the entire

If the planning crew had been massacred two days before the Olympics, it would be more like Munich. The terrorists had probably chosen the date for the bombing before London got the 2012 Olympics. I don't think Israelis think that commemoration of Munich has anything to do with American elections. I may be a cad, but I'm also right.

Of course. If the entire

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 05:59:56 +0000

In reply to Yes, I know what 7/7 is,

Of course. If the entire planning crew had gotten wiped out 2 days before the Olympics, it at least wasn't at the Olympics, no blame, no foul, life goes on.

Communist aggression & King David Hotel were off course tongue-in-cheek (though Israeli's might want to consider the latter when being too presumptious about Brits not taking their grievances seriously)

To state bluntly: you're a cad for blithely ignoring the atrocity committed to the host country upon receiving the award. Of course they should have some recognition of that outrageous event germane to the Olympics, even as they fill the program with curious stuff about engineers, health care and bedtime stories. And the military.

As for 1972, that was equally an outrageous event - I don't even want to consider which was "worse" between 7/7 and Munich, as lots of people died, both were terrorism, and millions of people were traumatized as a result.

Checking back, I find that there was a several hour memorial at the 1972 Olympics - "under intense public pressure" - but they did hold one. But every 4 years, there's pressure to hold another. The Americans likely think this is just because it's 40 years, and since we're intent on becoming Netanyahu's poodle, we have to parrot every request unquestioningly. And its political on the other side, with the Arab coalition holding certain veto power over decisions regarding Israel.

But I don't see why it's on Britain's head this year to provide this memorial - especially with them having their own Olympics atrocity to commemorate - "hey, can we share funerals? My dad died only 40 years ago...." And I can't imagine Israelis wanting a memorial ickily lumped together with an American election cycle, i.e. Mitt Romney and a bunch of let's-out-conservative-each-other news heads.

Nevertheless, I don't want to downplay the Munich atrocity in any way - as this anecdote exemplifies:

Gilady responded, "Well, there were Palestinians who died at the 1972 Olympics."

I heard one of the widows say to Gilady, "Are you equating the murder of my husband to the terrorists that killed him?"

Silence.

Then Ilana Romano burst out with a cry that has haunted me to this day. She screamed at Gilady, "How DARE you! You KNOW what they did to my husband! They let him lay there for hours, dying slowly, and then finished him off by castrating him and shoving it in his mouth, ALEX!

(strong indictments of the Olympics leadership - pp)
http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/70733814.html

Not until the next day did the IOC -- under intense public pressure -- suspend the games for a few hours and hold a memorial service, at which IOC president Avery Brundage declared that, "The games must go on." West Germany released the three terrorists who survived the gun battle a few months later, a price demanded by Black September for the return of a hijacked Lufthansa plane.

Every four years since then, the families of the Israeli victims have asked the IOC to schedule some commemorative ceremony at the Olympics. They have never been granted their wish.

Yes, I know what 7/7 is,

Aaron Carine — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 02:49:21 +0000

In reply to You don't actually know what

Yes, I know what 7/7 is, smart ass. As I said, it didn't happen at the Olympics. Even if London being chosen(a day earlier) for the 2012 Olympics had something to do with the timing, the terrorists had been working on it for months before that. Or do you think the whole operation was conceived, prepared, and carried out in less than 24 hours? The Olympics doesn't need to have a moment of silence for that, the King David Hotel bombing, or Communist aggression. A moment of silence at the Olympics for an atrocity that HAPPENED at the Olympics is completely different.

You don't actually know what

Qnonymous — Wed, 01 Aug 2012 19:42:03 +0000

In reply to The 7/7 bombing, the King

You don't actually know what 7/7 is, do you?

I swear, Land of the Dolt.