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We may have crossed paths. I

Bruce Levine — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:54:27 +0000

We may have crossed paths. I just edited what you replied to. I have absolutely no problem with anything the Brits or Londoners in particular choose to do to remember the 7/7 victims. Absolutely no problem at all.

1) i dont understand big

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:51:39 +0000

In reply to Aaron, This is not like that

1) i dont understand big difference between 1972 hours long memorial and later moment of silence? 2) agree world has double standard for Jews but in this case double standard for Israelis 3) olympics leaders such as Brundige anti-semitic 4) you do see a difference between host country memorializing as part of their chosen program vs the IOC demanding a Munich or 2004 tribute? (yes, the americans milked their grief for all they could, ignoring the 300,000 dead in Indonesia tsunami for example)

That is often referenced PP.

Bruce Levine — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:50:45 +0000

In reply to As i noted elsewhere, there

That is often referenced PP. And that was a funeral in the midst of chaos and, yes still a tribute as you point out. What is not often referenced is that the families of the murdered Jewish athletes have been fighting for a moment of silence or some kind of tribute beyond the shock-filled immediate aftermath of the incident for more than 35 years--as distinguished from loud-mouth politicos who have attempted to exploit this issue, this year.

Aaron, This is not like that

Bruce Levine — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 12:46:18 +0000

In reply to Maybe there needs to be a

Aaron,

This is not like that other place for a gazillion reasons. And I hope you and Quinn give each other a number of second chances, because you are both good eggs. PP is a good egg too, though a bit hard-boiled now and then, as opposed to the scramble in this egg's brain.

P.S. Two things on the 7/7 tribute. First, this is not about the Brits; it's about the IOC. So if the IOC sanctioned the tribute to the murdered and maimed victims of that attack--as distinguished from the Brits choosing to include this tribute in the program without IOC approval--then it just highlights the specious pretext of the IOC in refusing the tribute to the Jewish athletes, i.e. that a tribute is not appropriate as part of the opening ceremony. I mean here's what IOC Chair Rogge --as distinguished from and not the Brits mind you again--said about such tributes:

However, Mr. Rogge has stuck to his insistence that such a moment is not appropriate for the opening of the Games. "We feel the opening ceremony is an atmosphere that is not fit to remember such a tragic incident," he said at a recent press conference.

Second, still, I have no stomach for pushing equal treatment of Jews by pointing to appropriate treatment of those who may or may not be similarly situated. I have nothing against a tribute to the victims of 7/7, in or out of the Olympics, and presumably neither do you. I fully support the tribute, even if--to the extent that the IOC was involved and not just the Brits--the world has a different standard for Jews. One thing ultimately has nothing to do with the other.

Bruce

As i noted elsewhere, there

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 05:43:09 +0000

In reply to For God's sake, YES there

As i noted elsewhere, there was a several hour commemoration in 1972 as they stopped the Games. dont know why this is never referenced

For God's sake, YES there

quinn esq — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 02:51:56 +0000

In reply to Maybe there needs to be a

For God's sake, YES there needs to be some means to commemorate it. Absolutely. It's insane that the Munich massacre could have happened at the Olympics and NOT be referenced, and the victims honored somehow at the Olympics. And obviously - i.e. DUH - it's anti-Semitism that keeps it from happening.

I'm 1000% on-board for a commemoration and have never said or felt anything different.

What's obnoxious as hell is the fact that the Brits inserted a tiny note about their own massacre, of 50 men women and children, and over 700 injured, but instead of hearing the US press talk about London's courage in even hosting the games - especially after taking such a smash within 24 hours of being awarded it back in 2005 - they CUT the clip, and then shit on BRITAIN for not honoring someone else.

Do you get what an incredibly insulting thing that is? For the US - your country - to do? And yet then you come on here with your further blah blah blah about how the Brits shouldn't have been honoring their own. Gee, sorry, pal. How about if I suggested that since the US obviously sees no role for Britain to honor its dead, you all should just shut up from now on about 9/11? Or how about extending your theory, and deciding that Jews shouldn't mention the Holocaust again until ALL the world's slaughters have been honored. Does that make any sense to you? No. Nothing you've suggested makes any sense.

But above all, what gets me is at the US, your country, has had 3 Olympics at which to recognize Munich, but you've apparently decided that those weren't important dates, but that the British one is. Which is kindof bizarre, you know? Like, given the 4 year Olympic cycle, your brain is so stuck in the world of round numbers that it could only have been recognized in 1992, 2012 or maybe 2032? That's just crackers.

Also, if you know anything about London, you'd know one of the reasons why terrorists want to hit NORTH London - as was revealed again during a recent bust of a terrorist group which was targeting Golders Green - is because North London is considered the home of the Jews. Which is where I was staying when the bombs hit. And where the local Jews were gathering as we wondered how many more bombs we coming in. Gee, maybe now it'll carry some significance for you, eh? If it was targeting Jews? Is that how it works for you? Ah yes, give me a man of high principles and mighty vision.

You and Bob Costas, pal. You and Bob Costas.

Maybe there needs to be a

Aaron Carine — Fri, 03 Aug 2012 00:01:31 +0000

In reply to Just to conclude my previous

Maybe there needs to be a moment of silence for 7/7, but I stand by the assertion that having one for 7/7 without having one for the 40th anniversary of an atrocity that actually happened at the Olympics is indecent. Yeah, the Brits are free to do as they want on their own soil, but we don't have to like it. I'm willing to bet there would have been a commemoration if the victims hadn't been Israelis(a lot of the countries competing don't have sympathy for such victims).

Just to conclude my previous

quinn esq — Thu, 02 Aug 2012 21:28:34 +0000

In reply to Romney Tosses Turd in Punchbowl; King David Hotel

Just to conclude my previous venture, when somebody refers to 7/7 and then says, quote, "The Olympics doesn't need to have a moment of silence for that," that seems to me to be saying that they, ummmm, don't think there should be a moment of silence for 7/7.

And I know, I know, I'm extreme in my readings, distorting what people say, etc. But you know, I really do think I nailed that one.

And when it comes to terrorist bombings, I happened to just miss two in my lifetime, and both in London, e latter being 7/7. And darn it if it doesn't just ever so slightly make you take things a bit more personally, and make you kinda want to take people who talk out their arse and tell them, "Hey, stop talking out your arse."

Especially when they seem to think you're opposed to commemorating the Munich massacre, even when you're not. And doubly especially when they seem to think that until their massacre is properly honored, and their own country NOT having done that in 3 opportunities, that they should then lecture other nations on how they can't honor their own dead, even in a little clip from a film. To which, are you really sure you want to say we shouldn't be honouring victims til all victims are honoured?

Oh yeah, and Aaron? My father was a Jew. And an Olympian. Believe me, I wasn't in any way intending to dishonour Munich.

But you? You need to not talk bullshit and duck and dive after you say something. I quoted you (up above), and it's completely obvious what your view was on commemorating 7/7. So yeah, sure, I rant, and get mad, big whoop. But at least I didn't just walk onto a blog, suggest ignoring the dead (see your first quote at top), then start coming up with appalling justifications like the importance of what the terrorist intended, and conclude by then trying to say I said something different.

Also, see: manners. Contrary to the opinion of some, telling people they shouldn't commemorate their dead is actually markedly worse than telling em they should shut up. Thing is, your comment manages to avoid triggering the TOS. So yes, I broke the TOS. This doesn't, however, in any way let you off the hook for having said something far more repugnant. To repeat, The Olympics doesn't need to have a moment of silence for that.

Thanks for linking to my

Philip Munger — Mon, 30 Jul 2012 06:22:22 +0000

In reply to Romney Tosses Turd in Punchbowl; King David Hotel

Thanks for linking to my firedoglake post. No MSM article has yet mentioned the King David bombing.

"They want to know who will

NCD — Sun, 29 Jul 2012 20:03:44 +0000

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"They want to know who will object and who will look the other way. We will not look away nor will our country ever look away from our passion and commitment to Israel"...."It is our fervent hope that diplomatic and economic measures will do so. In the final analysis, of course, no option should be excluded." Willard Mitt Romney, 29 July 2012

One option that is excluded is the 'passion and commitment' of even one of Mitt's five military age, $10 million Trust Fund each, sons to sign up, wear the uniform and risk deployment to a Middle East war zone. When it comes to putting their own butts on the line, Mitt and the boys, 'look the other way'.

Romney also wants to keep, or reduce even further, his and his billionaire supporters taxes, their 'commitment' to Israel, in both blood and treasure, will be paid by others.