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That proves you're crazy.

A Guy Called LULU — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:28:05 +0000

That proves you're crazy.

I'm not implying any such

Ramona — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 00:49:23 +0000

I'm not implying any such thing. I'm saying that taken in context it couldn't be construed as a racist statement. He would have to mean it as a racist statement. It doesn't count that "it could be taken" as a racist statement.

If I really cared to try, I could find a thousand statements that, taken out of context, could be considered something they're not. I'm finding your logic faulty, indeed, but I would never call it crazy.

Do you think Biden's comments

rmrd0000 — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 21:12:22 +0000

In reply to I am saying, first, that

Do you think Biden's comments are milder or more harsh than what is said about Republicans in Black barbershops and beauty parlors regularly?

I am saying, first, that

A Guy Called LULU — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:28:02 +0000

In reply to So you're saying Biden's

I am saying, first, that Biden's remark was a dog-whistle of a pitch designed to be heard by a group with certain feelings and attitudes based on their ethnicity or race. [or whatever is the technically correct way to identify the overall characteristic being whistled to in that particular group]. It was spoken to a black audience in hopes that it would be heard and would encourage further animosity towards, and fear of, his Republican rivals based on the historical situation that blacks experienced do to their race. It insinuated racism in his opponents without quite coming out and calling them 'racist'.
I would not/did not say it was, in and of itself, a racist remark. I could have said that I see some truth in it as an analogy. I did specifically say that I do not see the remark as horribly grievous and I would not have said that had I thought the remark went far enough to cross that somewhat grey line.
The point you made which prompted me to respond is the idea that if a black crowd responded favorably to a statement, implying 'any statement', that that statement could not possibly be racist. I maintain that to hold strictly to that idea is to employ faulty logic and is, indeed, crazy.

So you're saying Biden's

Ramona — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:40:56 +0000

In reply to In the broader scope of thing

So you're saying Biden's remark was racist? It might have been pandering, it might even have been designed to be inflammatory. But racist? In this particular situation? How?

I agree Lulu, clear and well

ocean-kat — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 18:01:09 +0000

In reply to In the broader scope of thing

I agree Lulu, clear and well argued comment.

LOL No problem

rmrd0000 — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:03:14 +0000

In reply to Oops, sorry, rm. I'm reading

LOL

No problem

In the broader scope of thing

LULUDUDE — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 17:02:57 +0000

In reply to My take was that it was a

In the broader scope of thing politic, I don’t think Biden’s remark was a horribly grievous one to make, but it was a remark that drew upon racial history with an intent to produce a feeling of antipathy towards the Republicans based on past racial crimes and suggesting that the Republicans hope to and intend to repeat those crimes. It was a way of calling the Republicans racists.

My take was that it was a dumb way for Biden to say what he meant, but since he was in a crowd of black folks who cheered after he said it, there's no way it could be misconstrued as racist.

No way? That's crazy. There is a way that a dog whistle comment could be racial in nature, could be racist in meaning and intent, could be whistling to a black crowd, and could be cheered by a black crowd, just as it could be so with a white crowd. We are all humans and so all subject to giving in to the same human instincts.

Oops, sorry, rm. I'm reading

Ramona — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:03:14 +0000

In reply to Oh, my response was to

Oops, sorry, rm. I'm reading this, writing a blog, and watching a recap of the GOP convention lies on TV, all at the same time. I should never, never do that.

Oh, my response was to

rmrd0000 — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:39:06 +0000

In reply to I think we're talking about

Oh, my response was to Anonymous who posed a question about Biden's "chains" remark. Sorry about the confusion.