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Ron Paul doesn't give a fuck.

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 17:36:21 +0000

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Ron Paul doesn't give a fuck. He's against sending blacks to jail over drugs because he thinks it's wrong. Full stop.

He's also against stupid wars like Afghanistan that tend to bog down minorities in higher numbers.

Unlike most politicians, Ron Paul doesn't seem to change his politics to have a group accept or reject him. He just says what he thinks is right. Some issues seem nutty, some spot on. YMMV.

If you find that "condescending and paternalistic", so be it, your life.

Somehow to me saying "stop jailing blacks" and "stop sending blacks to get dismembered" is different than saying, "hey blacks, go to school, get a job". But guess that's through a white guy's eyes.

If 900,000 imprisoned blacks is no longer a black priority, well, okay. I'm gobsmacked, but guess I'll save my breath and talk about Pell Grants. Or not. And guess black unemployment is no longer an issue just because.

I attacked Ron Paul based on

rmrd0000 — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 16:30:59 +0000

In reply to In areas where black

I attacked Ron Paul based on his ideas. Routing more Black males into college is a better way to prevent poverty and crime than substandard pay. A prevailing theme in those in prison is poor education.

The attack was based on ideas not a hatred of the person. The fact is that Paul can't even get majority support in his own party, so my little objections are the least of his problems. By your definition, the majority of White Republicans must hate Ron Paul since they reject his platform.

In the case of the nuts at the RNC convention, the problem for the GOP is that it fits into a stereotype that has formed about the party. When some people talk about Blacks, they focus on crime. Gingrich says that he would tell the NAACP that the organization needs to focus on jobs. Santorum says he wants to teach Blacks how to stop taking other people's money. Gov Kaisich says that he wants to teach Blacks that they can start their own businesses.All come with a dose of condescension. the nut throwing just confirms an impression.

Voters who work hard, are educated and have a strong moral code, find the identification of their fellows as unemployed criminals offensive. Ron Paul wonders why Blacks are not falling over themselves to support his drug plan, he is unable to realize his priority is not the priority of the majority of Black voters. Paul is so condescending and paternalistic that he is unable to focus a message that addresses priorities defined by Black voters, and not his own. Additionally, Black voters reject Ron Paul in the same way that they rejected Al Sharpton. Both were headed nowhere in a Presidential race, and thus Blacks don't waste time an effort on them. Additionally Ron Paul has a White people problem given the outcome of his previous campaigns.

In areas where black

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 14:24:10 +0000

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In areas where black unemployment approaches 40%, a lower minimum wage *WITH* earned income credits could be helpful.

There were more than 193,000 African-Americans with "busted" written on their right-to-work card. There were 846,000 black men in prison in 2008 from this source. And 2.9 million blacks enrolled in college.

Still, I think regaining one's freedom is a more urgent question than will I go to school. Yes, important for progress, but freedom is basic.

Anyway, you hate Ron Paul so anything he says positive has to be countered with something that sucks. Got it.

If you are worried about

rmrd0000 — Fri, 31 Aug 2012 13:21:26 +0000

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If you are worried about impact on the African-American community, then Paul's position on lowering the minimum wage and cutting education grants would be suicidal. Low income families would suffer under lower wages.

Paul's devastating plan for education would negatively impact many more college age Black men than his drug policy would improve. In fact those young men may be the fodder for Paul's low wage jobs.

In 2005, there were 193,000 African-American men aged 18-24 in local, state and federal prisons. There were 530,000 African-American men college that year according to the WaPo .Paul is a net negative for the larger group.

Part of the confusion may come from a Justice Policy Institute study that coined the meme that there were more Black men in prison than in college. The problem was that the report compared all men in prison (76% were above college age according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics) to college age students in college.

If you care about Black progress, forget about Ron Paul

I believe we all need to

Aunt Sam — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:12:56 +0000

In reply to Black CNN staffer taunted with nuts at RNC

I believe we all need to speak to each and every issue based solely on the facts of that specific act without muddying the waters with other unrelated actions. We need to always stand up and speak out against racism or any form of bigotry, but making sure we do so regardless of who and/or what ideological entity the people involved represents.

It's counter productive and diminishes the bigoted act whenever we attempt to compare and/or introduce another event, no matter if it's perceived to be less or more offensive.

You lost me about 2000

wabby — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 15:53:13 +0000

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You lost me about 2000 comments ago, Peracles. I'm still glad you did.

Welcome to the difference

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:59:29 +0000

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Welcome to the difference between a grocery store and a $100 million convention.

Bet your grocery store wouldn't let you steal all the food off the aisles, whereas if you work for Wall Street, it'd be an expected bonus on top of $2 trillion in cash.

And if these 2 guys were execs for John Deere Tractor at a live feed convention and they started making obnoxious pig noises about a fat concessions worker or graphically lewd & chortling comments about some convention worker's tits, I'm sure everyone'd be as concerned about shaming them and seeing them nation-wide on People magazine. Maybe scarlet letters should be handed out - it's how things were traditionally done in America.

In any case, you're off-message - everyone else here says it was obviously, undoubtedly racist as are all utterances from the GOP. Ambiguity is off the table, we're just waiting for the ~~electrician~~ executioner.

Unfortunately for CNN,

tmccarthy0 — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:48:52 +0000

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Unfortunately for CNN, covering for the perpetrators of this disgusting act of racism and hate means they are participating in perpetrating the hate themselves.

CNN has failed, utterly and completely and so have Republicans. Republicans are all in on playing the race card every chance they get. CNN is a channel of fail, they aren't reporting the story, no one is outing the two idiots and they should be outed, but the reason Republicans won't out them is because this is what they want, they want hate of the other to be the centerpiece of their campaign. I am just sorry that CNN is participating in the cover up, because of their participation in this, they are now the story and they are complicit in allowing racism against their own camera woman.

Good link AD.

What was done and said in

wabby — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 11:42:04 +0000

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What was done and said in this incident doesn't even have to be called racist to be offensive. The act of throwing nuts at a person and stating "this is how we feed the animals" is demeaning all on its own. A good public shaming of the two conventioneers is okay by me.

Ya know, in my little rube town at the little grocery store, if you write them a bad check, your name gets written on a post-it note and stuck on the side of the cash register so that everybody in town knows what an a-hole you are. Works purty good as a deterrent.

You know Ron Paul was the

PeraclesPlease redux — Thu, 30 Aug 2012 05:45:50 +0000

In reply to Likely juss some good ole Ron

You know Ron Paul was the only candidate - Dem or Rep - who loudly declaimed against the War on Drugs, because it unfairly incarcerates blacks at a much higher rate and takes away our freedoms.

From yourblackpolitics blog, someone appreciates:

Paul would pardon all nonviolent drug offenders, end America’s foreign policy adventures abroad which are siphoning billions from domestic programs, and end a drug war that disproportionately relegates black men to a life behind bars. This is big; certainly it’s bigger than anything we hear coming from the milquetoast campaigns of both the Democrat and Republican establishment.

So please take your "Ron Paul followers = racism" somewhere else. We know someone white threw some peanuts, we don't know who they were, we don't know what if anything set them off, and they were ejected. Maybe it was your mother, eh? Speculation on new thread.