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Not sure what you're asking.

quinn esq — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 14:34:51 +0000

In reply to Since I have been effectively

Not sure what you're asking.

Do I think you should be named in the blog-post itself? No, I don't. The blog is not done in fun, which means the debate is on an unfair footing, and so... no.

Do I agree with your perspective on Occupy or the Oakland police? No, I don't. You lost your rag over the the Occupiers saying certain words, but when a few dozen cops get officially reprimanded, even fired, you're not nearly as worried.

I think that's about all I'm saying on either of these two points, but hey - you two have a nice day.

Since I have been effectively

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 04:55:39 +0000

In reply to Oakland PD Cites 40 Cops for Misconduct , Fires 2

Since I have been effectively called out on this one, I would hope there will be those who disagree with me to step up and put it on the line. There are those who would like to believe that somehow I am a good whipping dog because I reveal the weakness of the argument of the other side. Yet this is never shown. As with the Oakland police brutality accusation shows, my assertion that one needs to approach such events without the ideological prism in place is re-affirmed.

Q, you don't want to jump in

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:14:06 +0000

In reply to Oakland PD Cites 40 Cops for Misconduct , Fires 2

Q, you don't want to jump in on this?

And i wasn't wrong about the

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:07:52 +0000

In reply to Trope, complains about 'over

And i wasn't wrong about the cops. I said they were innocent until they proven guilty. Some were found guilty, more were found innocent. Not to mention that most of those found guilty had nothing to do with physical brutality. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I call bullshit. You don't

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 03:04:30 +0000

In reply to Trope, complains about 'over

I call bullshit. You don't want to deal with your attempt to paint an entire police department as thugs because some were found to be thugs, something which I have never said was impossible or unlikely. You want to paint a group with a brush based on the actions of the few. When I bring up an example like the soldiers urinating on the Koran, you realize I am right and then say "i'm taking my ball and going home." boo hoo.

Yes there are some police officers who stepped over the line. And maybe if we investigate, we will find they were pumped up to be so by their superiors. But does that mean we should paint all of the OPD, the majority of the guys and gals in the trenches as brownshirts?

Face up to your ideological rants. You can't be reasonable and extreme at the same time.

Trope, complains about 'over

NCD — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:56:52 +0000

In reply to The point is whether one

Trope, complains about 'over the top rhetoric', then throws out a 'koran urinator' accusation in his comments!

You were wrong about the cops Trope, and your comment is vulgar trash, perhaps fitting and representative of you and how you think.

Good night.

I have also dealt with

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:52:44 +0000

In reply to No Trope, I am not an

I have also dealt with crooked cops. And I have dealt with cool cops. There have been many times I could have busted on petty offenses, but was let go, and I, although white, am not a clean cut all-american by any means. The crooked ones need to be dealt with, and dealt with harshly. But there are also good cops, who try to do their best, who deal with a war zone and domestic violence craziness, and all the while perform within the standards both you and I expect them to. Your reluctance to acknowledge these cops shows your ideological bent.

The point is whether one

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:45:02 +0000

In reply to No Trope, I am not an

The point is whether one wants to paint an entire department with the actions of some. Is one going to saying "there are some thugs in the OPD" or "the OPD is a bunch of thugs." There were some soldiers who urinated on the Koran. I don't judge all those who serve by those particular individuals' actions. I don't think you would have done that. But your over the top rhetoric is the same as a me saying since you served, you must be a koran urinator.

No Trope, I am not an

NCD — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 02:39:14 +0000

In reply to Part of my point, if it isn't

No Trope, I am not an 'ideological crowd'. I have seen and dealt with crooked cops. I have seen them paid off in cash on the street, shaking down contractors in broad daylight.

I am a military veteran who swore an oath to defend the Constitution, one who believes the citizens of this country do not deserve to be abused, assaulted or shaken down by police. Cops who swear a solemn oath, who are trained, paid and empowered to protect citizens and uphold the law. For those that do, their families and the nation can be proud.

Part of my point, if it isn't

Elusive Trope — Mon, 15 Oct 2012 01:58:59 +0000

In reply to Dang it, one little slip of

Part of my point, if it isn't clear that you and your ideological crowd with your pitchforks and torches would have also hanged the 102 exonerated by the investigation. And what would you have said to their families?