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Well no, they're not all

PeraclesPlease — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:27:00 +0000

Well no, they're not all "very different" to be "diversity". Of course there have been right-left splits in Latin politics forever, such as the Junta and Desaparecidos during Argentina's Dirty War, or the origins of leftist politics in Latin America from Simon Bolivar's revolutionary movement.

Yes, writing & speaking for La Plata has Italian mix, Bolivia has more indigenous mix, Cuba has longer vestiges of Spain mixed in with more African slaves, Colombians speak faster than anyone.... But over a span of 1 1/2 continents, it's not the diversity you see hopping from Bucharest (romance), Budapest (Ungro-Finnic), Bratislava (Slavic) & Vienna (germanic) in about 250 miles.

If I put a white Californian, Vermonter, Dakotan and Tennessean in a room, do I have "diversity"? When we're talking about diversity in the sense of the world's greatest melting pot (tm)?

And most of this Cuban thing is artificial because of our Caribbean whorehouse politics and the rise of Castro's revolution & the exodus to Miami, which gave us all the conservatives starting in 1959. Probably in 1898 or even 1938 there was insignificant difference between Puerto Ricans and Cubans.

And Puerto Ricans were

artappraiser — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 02:23:29 +0000

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And Puerto Ricans were largely behind Obama's Florida victory as they gain parity with Florida Cubans

To me, this just points out the ridiculousness of even talking about about a Hispanic-American or Latino-American voting bloc. Because that's another sub-division of the Carribbean-American culture, which is in turn is quite different from Central American immigrant culture and if you start throwing in South American heritage too, you really really do have to bring start bringing up the diversity word...

Hispanic-Americans are all very different, some don't even want to ally with being called Latino (or the converse with Hispanic) They even have prejudice issues against one another.

Example: it was CW to call Colin Powell Afro-American, but New Yorkers know he was much more like a stereotype Carribbean-American. And lotsa "Latino" New Yorkers have little acquaintance with Mexican cultural attitudes, to this day.

There are those who support

Aunt Sam — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:01:09 +0000

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There are those who support not opposing Texas seceding and letting Puerto Rica take their place. Now, you and others may not think this is an intelligent option to proffer, but hey, think about it.......would we be better or worse off?

One can be Hispanic and

Verified Atheist — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 16:00:07 +0000

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One can be Hispanic and Asian, although I'll admit it's not that common. Being Hispanic is in some ways more similar to being a non-practicing Jew — it's about culture (including language). I had a friend in High School from Nicaragua who was Hispanic and half Chinese. (His family escaped after things got really bad thanks to Reagan.)

Looks like another long

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:52:38 +0000

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Looks like another long period before discussing immigration intelligently.

LatinAmerican Hispanics are all descended from Spanish settlers with native Americans starting 1492, until Spain left in roughly 1820 (only giving up Cuba and Puerto Rico in 1898, so 114 years ago).

Asian is a large category; Hispanic isn't. (kinda East) Asian can be Aryan Muslim & Hindu Indians & Pakistanis, Japanese, Korean, Chinese, Malay peninsula, Burmese, Cambodians , Thai, Vietnamese & Tibetan/Nepalese, most without any shared linguistic or ethnic origin. (If we include Indonesia and the Mideast and ex-Soviet peoples, the definition becomes much much wider)

Please tell me what % Hispanic, especially Mexican, you want or expect the country to be in 40 and 100 years, and why that % vs. rising percentages of the hundreds or thousands of other ethnic groups around the world.

Oddly, Puerto Rican referendum on statehood was inconclusive as they voted by a majority to change status (54%), but on question #2, 1/3 of those wanted more independence, not statehood, and a lot of voters from #1 didn't even vote on #2, and they kicked out the governor most likely to achieve statehood.

And Puerto Ricans were largely behind Obama's Florida victory as they gain parity with Florida Cubans. So what does all of this tell us? Who knows. Burma just opened up - how about we let them dominate our immigration for a while.

The Asian vote for some

Richard Day — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:18:04 +0000

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The Asian vote for some reason surprised me. Of course, 'Asian' is kind of a large category.

Which underlines the idea that there is in fact 'an Hispanic Vote'.

But it does appear from the data that Hispanics and Asians have little love for the repubs. hahaha

As I understand it the repubs

cmaukonen — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 14:53:41 +0000

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As I understand it the repubs are thinking of running Rubio in 2016. A mistake I think since he really is only liked by the (still) disgruntled Cubans in Miami.

But according to their thinking, hey...he's Hispanic...right ? But most other Hispanics here really can't stand the Cubans in Miami.

HA !

Then you have Asians here. And from what I hear the ex-Moscovites really did like the government services that the old USSR provided.

As Karl Stromberg said "Détente indeed"

TLTR, Dick. But you're right

acanuck — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:33:53 +0000

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TLTR, Dick.

But you're right to be moved by Obama's speech to his campaign staff. I love the man almost the way I do Natalie Merchant. Hey, we won!

Nobody is reading this

Richard Day — Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:06:20 +0000

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Nobody is reading this anyway, so how could I interrupt anybody's thoughts?

Lawrence O'Donnell just loves my Prez as I do!

And so he played this and I was quite taken and I guess, cause I heard that the right wing bastards are making fun of this; well maybe my reaction separates me from the forces of evil? ha