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I imagine there's no problem

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 12:28:30 +0000

I imagine there's no problem advertising Hispanic services in Texas counties with a majority. But these would likely be advertised in Spanish.

Of course, when whites do anything, it's exclusionary. When minorities do anything, it's to correct historical injustices. You say so yourself - it's not done to help white businesses, it's a front by hate groups, case closed.

Glad you agree.

Lots of minority groups

ocean-kat — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 10:55:18 +0000

In reply to Go ahead, be an ass. In 10

Lots of minority groups produce minority phone books not just hispanics. Its been happening for years. These minority phone books are often distributed to white communities. Its an advertising gimmick to attempt to get young immigrant communities and whites to help struggling new minority businesses. Those minority communities aren't trying to exclude whites and the businesses also seek to sell or work for white people. In fact they probably seek to sell or work for the white community more than the minority community simply because there's more white people and they usually have more money. When white people do similar things its not done to help struggling white businesses. Its an exclusionary tactic to keep people of color out. Its not done by the broader white community but typically by hate groups.

What you're talking about here is not called a double standard, the correct term is false equivalency.

Go ahead, be an ass. In 10

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:57:01 +0000

In reply to But 10% of Hawaii is now

Go ahead, be an ass.

In 10 years, what % will that be, in 20 years what %, in 30 years what %. (% not exact, but to make a point)

And Hispanics will bond together to vote on issues and do business - but to say such thing as a white would be racist, survivalist, knuckle-dragging Cro-Magnon.Thought maybe you would appreciate the double standard, but guess not.

Read it, interesting - as of

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:55:46 +0000

In reply to P.S. Haven't read it yet, but

Read it, interesting - as of 1990, non-Hispanic spouse was at 1/3, Hispanic spouse 2/3. Couldn't find update from Rosenberg for the following 2 decades, but here's a graph of increased intermarriage from him, though I don't think it means an increase from 2/3 Hispanic. Rosenberg's theory notes assimilation increased by young people's time alone (college, workering out of the home or in different city...). Of course if that's still in a mostly Hispanic bubble, that won't increase intermarriage that much, but I agree that it's a distinctly US pressure historically.

Here's a more modern updated study of Mexican trends combining several different factors related to the old culture and new - i.e. time, specific customs, the rate of change - haven't finished it, but seems more relevant to current situation.

Yes, I've seen that before,

PeraclesPlease — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 07:33:31 +0000

In reply to Another 10%+, interestingly,

Yes, I've seen that before, before the United States existed and even in the early years, there was a heavy German-speaking population, even the Dutch and Swedes had colonies in PA too, the French owned everything across the Appalachians, the Spanish had Florida up through half of Alabama & Mississippi and on out west.

So we ended up with the US in 1776, it became successful at what it did, but just presuming that because in the 1700's things worked out, a large influx of a new population will automatically act like Germans and assimilate? Who could learn English easy because English is a West Germanic language? So we had a lingua franca for the country to grow with, that the Irish already spoke.

We have models for how Creole languages develop, and with a heavily Spanish population, where newborns grow up in primarily Spanish-speaking neighborhoods, they'll be primarily Spanish culture or a Creole mix.

Mandarin has now overtaken English as Hong Kong's 2nd language - a huge influx of poor Mandarin workers after the handover, and other influences. I'm sure in 1997 someone said, "don't worry, they've kept speaking English in Hong Kong for hundreds of years".

And you could say, "don't worry, the Mandarin speakers will assimilate with Cantonese speakers to keep the status quo". But the Mandarin-speak also reflects increasing control from Beijing, despite the "1 country, 2 systems" promises.

So I'm sorry if I look past the glib hippie-speak everything-will-work-out-magically because it always has, and try to look at real manifestations of new trends.

Now imagine if everyone here took the same attitude towards global warming - "it's gotten hotter before, why worry? sometimes more hurricanes, sometiems fewer, it's just weather, deal with it". Isn't that what we're saying? We had some hot years in the 1720's, so things will be fine in 2012?

P.S. Haven't read it yet, but

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:38:55 +0000

In reply to But 10% of Hawaii is now

P.S. Haven't read it yet, but this looks like a real interesting paper on intermarriage & assimilation I ran across in the same search-thought you might enjoy a link before I leave this thread and this discussion.

Another 10%+, interestingly,

artappraiser — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 00:28:54 +0000

In reply to But 10% of Hawaii is now

Another 10%+, interestingly, as it says there, more than seven times the population of the old country. Wonder how that happened?

And how 'bout those Germans, interbreeding in this country and overrunning it to the point where we couldn't put 'em in internment camps during WWII without putting away most of the population? Hey, what ever happened to all of these: at its zenith the German-language press in the US boasted over 800 daily and weekly periodicals?

But 10% of Hawaii is now

ocean-kat — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:36:32 +0000

In reply to Look, I had Korean

But 10% of Hawaii is now Hispanic, North Carolina 9%, Connecticut 13%, Kansas 11%, Nebraska 9%, Rhode Island 12%, Idaho 11%, Oregon 12%, Georgia 9%, Massachussetts 10%, .

Exactly. 10%

I can see why you're scared. Given that less than half the hispanics vote and assuming they would all vote for the hispanic candidate if some Mexican ran for office why he'd start with 5% of the vote right off. He'd be a shoo in. With those numbers he wouldn't have to appeal to white or black voters at all. How's a white guy gonna compete with that.

A Hawaii hispanic directory, omg, really?. Damn, I bet the other 90% of the population just tossed out their white directory putting all the white people out of work and on welfare.

10%! Call out the calvary we're being over run with Mexicans! There's one Mexican in that group of nine white guys. We have to do something about that.

Look, I had Korean

PeraclesPlease — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 23:04:21 +0000

In reply to As I said, I've have a

Look, I had Korean shopkeepers as neighbors, friendly, worked 14 hour days. Have Vietnamese shopkeepers, Libyans, Mexican, whatever - people work hard. But when there are 130 million Hispanics in a short span, don't tell me their kids are all going to sit around speaking English and focus on the same issues that all other groups are focused on. In the old days sure, but now there are so many Spanish services no one has to speak English in a lot of these areas.

1/5th of Texas counties are Hispanic majority - but if it were just from Texas to California, I wouldn't care - ZZTop Tres Hombres and whatever. But 10% of Hawaii is now Hispanic, North Carolina 9%, Connecticut 13%, Kansas 11%, Nebraska 9%, Rhode Island 12%, Idaho 11%, Oregon 12%, Georgia 9%, Massachussetts 10%, .

"In my opinion, 2012 will be the year of the Latino in Hawaii," said Jose Villa, publisher of Hawaii Hispanic News, who is urging Hispanics to run for office.

"The political campaigns have already started, and several races are going to be very, very close. Now that the Latino community is 9 percent of the population, elected officials and candidates can no longer ignore it. There's this huge community that's building."

Very assimilating, no? And what's the lede for the Hawaiian Hispanic News: "Looking for a Hispanic Business or professional? Look for them here in the Hawaii Hispanic Directory." Excellent. It doesn't matter that Hispanics are well on their way to a national plurality - being Hispanic means "diversity" as one ad notes, whereas imagine me writing:

"Looking for a White Business or professional? Look for them here in the Hawaii White Directory".

As I said, I've have a

ocean-kat — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 22:31:47 +0000

In reply to You're making the assumption

As I said, I've have a problem if there were 70 million more illegal immigrants by 2035. But you're talking children. Most of the growth from your link is from children getting old enough to vote. And children tend to assimilate. My ex-wife is half Mexican. Her grandparents,the original immigrants only spoke spanish, her mother was bilingual, my wife learned spanish in high school and spoke it as poorly most high school students do. Aside from a some what hispanic appearence she was as American as apple pie.

The kids will go to mostly english speaking schools. They will learn American history not Mexican history. They'll get jobs mostly english speaking companies with significant numbers of white and black co-workers. Mexicans have been coming here for years and been assimilating.

Yes there are some areas with large Mexican populations. But their parents will want them to get ahead, go to college, get good paying jobs. That's not going to happen if they set up separatist enclaves. There has always been immigrant majority areas, even Mexican majority areas. There's a bit more of them now, but they have moved out and moved on in the past. What evidence do you have that they won't now?