dagblog - Comments for "Puppy Training for Politicians. Or, How we got RTW in Michigan"

You're the one that threw the

Elusive Trope — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 04:02:25 +0000

In reply to If the PPP has the same or

You're the one that threw the brainwashed meme out there. If you want to back off that assertion I am willing to accept it. Then again, you may not actually understand what the term actually means. Who knows.

Oh lord. A moot point is

Elusive Trope — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:59:33 +0000

In reply to Who said it was the end of

Oh lord. A moot point is understood in general terms to be something of irrelevance. You can look up what the meaning of irrelevance. But I will say that if someone makes the comment about how representative democracy in America has become a moot point, I will take it to mean that democracy, in whatever form, has become a non-factor in day to day happenings that impact our lives.

So maybe it not the final end, but calling it moot point (or as Joey in Friends would call a moo point) means it is for all intents and purposes non-existent, and thus ended for the time being.

But you're making the

Elusive Trope — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 03:51:03 +0000

In reply to And I was pointing out how

But you're making the implication that since I don't wholly agree with you I must be aligned with the other side. Maybe, just maybe, we agree on the same ends, but disagree on how to frame the way forward. Think about that before you make some judgment about who I should be working for.

The bottom line here is that I am saying rather than spending your time whining about the Koch Brothers you should be writing about how do we (yes, we) reach out to those who believe the Republicans will improve the quality of the lives.

Trking, if the school tragedy

Ramona — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 02:29:59 +0000

In reply to I just read they passed a

Trking, if the school tragedy today doesn't cause Snyder and the Republicans to drop that crazy idea of allowing guns in schools, churches, etc., I have no hope for us.

The insanity about gun freedom has to stop, and tomorrow would be as good a day as any to do it. If not, (and I have no reason to believe that anything is going to change the minds of those who believe gun freedom is at the very core of our democracy) it's just one more fight we'll add to the growing list.

So many fights, so little time.

If the PPP has the same or

wabby — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:48:55 +0000

In reply to Because if these same people

If the PPP has the same or similar results as the poll you brought to the conversation, I will give it the proper recognition it deserves. I have a higher opinion of the PPP than the MRG. I'll wait to see the results before I say anything.

Your predicting my responses is kind of a silly occupation, Trope.

Who said it was the end of

wabby — Sat, 15 Dec 2012 01:38:58 +0000

In reply to Elected representatives

Who said it was the end of representative Democracy? I said it was a moot point in Michigan, not the end.

And I was pointing out how

Ramona — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 23:35:28 +0000

In reply to I wasn't pointing out the

And I was pointing out how perceptions of reality can be manipulated. You should understand it better, now that you've been manipulated by the polling link you posted here.

I don't expect that people will always agree with me, so, no, I don't think I'll post a disclaimer on my blog, but if I feel they don't really get it, I'm going to say so.

Sort of like what you're doing here.

Both sides have low

Elusive Trope — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:41:19 +0000

In reply to It is the other people

Both sides have low information, politically disengaged voters on their side. Charles Blow posted an op-ed piece with a poll that showed more Democrats couldn't name Biden VP was in 2010 than Republicans or knew Dems had a majority control of Congress.

Elected representatives

Elusive Trope — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:37:18 +0000

In reply to I can't explain anything to

Elected representatives passed a piece of legislation, something they were elected to do. How is this the end of representative Democracy?

Because if these same people

Elusive Trope — Fri, 14 Dec 2012 16:15:30 +0000

In reply to It is the other people

Because if these same people disapprove of the governor in the PPP poll, I don't think you'll be saying how it doesn't mean much because it is just reflecting the opinion of ~~brainwashed~~ low information section of the working class. Suddenly these ~~brainwashed~~ low information section of the working class will become enlightened in spite a lack of information?