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Abe gets to see how it turned

artappraiser — Fri, 04 Jan 2013 22:10:33 +0000

In reply to News Year's Day 2013, the Sequicentennial of the Emancipation Proclamation

Abe gets to see how it turned out 149 years later:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/01/03/the_candid_commander_in...

I'm not arguing - simply

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:14:56 +0000

In reply to Okay, but he wasn't willing

I'm not arguing - simply clarifying some of the order of things.

Okay, but he wasn't willing

Aaron Carine — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:03:43 +0000

In reply to That was in Dec 1863, and

Okay, but he wasn't willing to leave the slavery question up to the ex-Confederate states. They were required to abolish it.

That was in Dec 1863, and

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:42:48 +0000

In reply to But it did contribute

That was in Dec 1863, and it's interesting that Lincoln did a pocket veto that month on a bill that would require a specific route to reconstruction - he still wanted to leave the details to the states, as he noted in July 1864. (Louisiana and Arkansas had already applied for readmission). That flexibility is ultimately what led Andrew Johnson to be impeached, as more vindictive radical Republicans wanted revenge. The specific Tenure Act that he was impeached on was later declared unconstitutional as infringing on Executive prerogative.

But it did contribute

Aaron Carine — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 02:44:04 +0000

In reply to News Year's Day 2013, the Sequicentennial of the Emancipation Proclamation

But it did contribute directly to emancipation, as the Union armies liberated the slaves as they advanced. Lincoln's lesser known Reconstruction Proclamation ensured that the conquered Confederate states would have to abolish slavery in order to re-enter the Union.

Enjoy.

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:12:53 +0000

In reply to Enjoy discussing the states

Enjoy.

Enjoy discussing the states

rmrd0000 — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:03:04 +0000

In reply to Still doesn't explicitly note

Enjoy discussing the states not mentioned with yourself. I'm leaving old baggage behind.

It's 2013. This is a celebratory day.

Still doesn't explicitly note

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 21:16:13 +0000

In reply to The limitations of the

Still doesn't explicitly note the exemption of Tennessee, along with 1/4 of Louisiana surrounding New Orleans and what would become West Virginia. The 1st especially is quite surprising.

The limitations of the

rmrd0000 — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:52:26 +0000

In reply to I typically don't follow

The limitations of the Emancipation Proclamation were noted by every link provided. The fact that several states were unaffected by the Proclamation were even noted by the National Archives as a part of the commemoration of the 150th anniversary.

The Foner post is worthy of read.

I typically don't follow

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 01 Jan 2013 20:17:10 +0000

In reply to Once again you seem to want

I typically don't follow links to the NYTimes. I just noted the dates, not an argument - pointing out the 3 years between the Emancipation Proclamation and full nationwide end of slavery. Most people don't realize - they think slaves were free at least by the end of the war, and don't realize citizenship came 3 years after the war.

Not worth noting?