dagblog - Comments for "Say Goodbye to Hillary"

Gee, this is tuff

PeraclesPlease — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 12:08:50 +0000

Gee, this is tuff stuff.

Every month or 2, Politico, Time or other rag goes wild on "is Hillary running?" noise.

I just happen to be doing a reality check 4 years from any possible inauguration to say, "despite high popularity & what-all, the real chance that Hillary will be candidate, much less victor, are quite slim".

Hey, Chavez looks about to snuff it at only 58.

What's bizarre about all this blowback is that Western leaders are usually younger - it's only the old corrupt dictator-for-life types that seem to be past 70, except possibly a couple Asian countries. Try this from 2011:

Angela Merkel ( Germany ) age 56, Nicolas Sarkozy ( France ) age 55, Jose Socrates ( Portugal ) age 53, Jens Stoltenberg (Norway), 52, Stephen Harper ( Canada ) age 51, Julia Gillard ( Australia ) age 49, Luis Zapatero ( Spain ) age 49, Barack Obama ( USA ) age 48, Dimitri Medvedev ( Russia ) age 45, David Cameron ( UK ) age 43. The average age of these ten world leaders is 50.1 years.

If Hillary does announce, it

NCD — Thu, 03 Jan 2013 00:12:09 +0000

In reply to Errrrrr.. wait a sec... I

If Hillary does announce, it will likely be here, at Dag.

Errrrrr.. wait a sec... I

demunchained — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 23:40:47 +0000

In reply to She hasn't thrown in the

Errrrrr.. wait a sec... I believe you started this thread-- the major premise being we can "say goodbye" to Ms. Clinton politically.

Regardless, it's a bit early (even in our nutty system) for any candidate to declare they are running for 2016-- so the fact she has not "announced" is meaningless.

She hasn't thrown in the

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:27:06 +0000

In reply to I think folks are forgetting;

She hasn't thrown in the towel, nor has she committed to running, in case you haven't noticed.

Ha ha ha - the notion that

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:26:16 +0000

In reply to I don't get this one PP. You

Ha ha ha - the notion that Hillary will be the candidate has been spouted over and over, yet it's wrong for me to note the unlikelihood that she'll be in shape to do another campaign and then take over 8 years of US presidency. "Antiquated"? No, it's been the rule, not the exception. Only 2 presidents out of 44 were >65 when elected - about 4% - due to both health & fitness reasons (Harrison died 1 month in; Reagan got Alzheimers 4 years in) as well as what type of candidate the public wants to vote for (younger & dynamic? Carter, Clinton, Bush2 & Obama). McCain was a fossilized old futz by the time debate 3 rolled around - or didn't you notice?

So you can flash your Baby Boomer creds at me all you want, but it doesn't make senior moments go away, and it doesn't eradicate the slow erosion of time. No, I don't know particulars, and I'm not an actuary, but I can make a rough guess at the odds about 4 years from now just like anyone watching the horse race of politics can do. But yeah, it's wrong to make generalizations like "old people often behave old", yadda yadda yadda.

" Nobody can predict what

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 13:16:29 +0000

In reply to So, yes, Hillary will still

" Nobody can predict what anybody will be doing 10 years from now." - uh, well we can make educated guesses, no?

She's been a dynamo - at 69, no guarantee she'll continue to be one, especially at the level of president. Just a reality check - people often slow down a bit by 69, occasionally dying. Banking on Hillary being the nominee & president is a long-shot, whatever polls said last week.

I think the point of the concussion was that thinners wouldn't be used period if that was the cause. Not a "conspiracy" - we simply don't know yet, and there's no big reason for us to know at this point.,

And nothing about this revolves around her being a woman. Reagan was a man, and his brain was pretty shot halfway through his presidency, and that was with a fairly easy Pacific Palisades ranch life. (which might have been worse for him, but I don't think he ever worked that hard)

It's just been reported that

Ramona — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:56:57 +0000

In reply to So, yes, Hillary will still

It's just been reported that the blood clot is NOT in her brain but in the lining between her brain and her skull. Using blood thinners for that kind of clot is normal practice.

Really, it might be better to wait for facts before looking for some kind of Hillary degeneration.

(And it didn't get past me that much of this conversation centered around the fact that she is a woman. Can we just get over that, too?)

I don't get this one PP. You

Bruce Levine — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:55:06 +0000

In reply to Say Goodbye to Hillary

I don't get this one PP. You have no idea where Hillary will be in 2016, you don't know the long-term implications of whatever is happening to her medically right now, and the notion that 68 or 69 is too old to run for president is just antiquated at best--particularly when the Baby Boomer generation continues to age. So what's this all about?

So, yes, Hillary will still

Ramona — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:45:00 +0000

In reply to She's just logged hundreds of

So, yes, Hillary will still have her wits about her 10 years from now. Or she won't. Nobody can predict what anybody will be doing 10 years from now.

Ten years from now, Hillary will be my age. Even at 65 I couldn't have kept up with that amazing woman. She's a dynamo and one of a kind, and she'll be thumbing her nose at the nay-sayers long after they've all lost their teeth and have taken to their rocking chairs.

A blood clot needs to be treated immediately with blood thinners so the blood can flow easily and strokes won't happen. I really don't see anything conspiratorial about her treatment, but I'm not surprised to be reading that there is. This is Hillary Clinton we're talking about, after all. There must be something more to her, or at least something that will take her down.

Go, Hillary! You've got what it takes, babe, and Lordy, I hope I'm still around for both of your inaugurations.

I think folks are forgetting;

demunchained — Wed, 02 Jan 2013 11:30:15 +0000

In reply to We're talking about an 8-year

I think folks are forgetting; this is the woman who said, "Should I stay home and bake cookies?"

I don't see her throwing in the towel just because she fell and sustained a minor injury.