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Welcome to Stand Your Ground.

rmrd0000 — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:42:43 +0000

In reply to So if I'm walking down the

Welcome to Stand Your Ground. If Martin shot Zimmerman, we would have a dead, armed stalker and a teen who was alive.

So if I'm walking down the

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:23:46 +0000

In reply to Martin should have shot the

So if I'm walking down the street and someone scary is behind me for a total of 4-6 minutes, I can just shoot them, and if they're packing heat, I win! Yay! If it's a cop, well, he didn't identify himself, his tough luck.

And a woman walking alone can just shoot these scary guys behind them in the park or in the parking garage - presumably they've got at least knives.

Hey, from what you say, if Martin had a weapon, Zimmerman could have shot Martin for staring and coming up to his car and not identifying himself as a guest or what not. New ways of looking at this story every day.

Non-emergency call:

Zimmerman:

Zimmerman:

We’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy.

This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around looking about. [00:25]
Zimmerman:
Yeah, a dark hoodie like a gray hoodie. He wore jeans or sweat pants and white tennis shoes. He’s here now … he’s just staring. [00:42]
Zimmerman:
Now he’s staring at me. [00:48]
Zimmerman:
Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.
Zimmerman:
He’s got something on his shirt. About like his late teens.
Something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out.
He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is. [01:20]
Zimmerman:
He’s running. [2:08]
Dispatcher:
Are you following him? [2:24]

Zimmerman:

Yeah. [2:25]

Dispatcher:

OK.

We don’t need you to do that. [2:26]

Zimmerman:

OK. [2:28]

Dispatcher:

Alright, sir, what is your name? [2:34]

Zimmerman:

George. He ran.

Dispatcher:

OK, what’s your apartment number?

Zimmerman:

It’s a home. It’s 1950 – oh, crap, I don’t want to give it out – I don’t know where this kid is [inaudible] [3:40]
Dispatcher:
OK, no problem. I’ll let them know to call you when they’re in the area. [4:02]

Zimmerman:

Thanks.

Dispatcher:

You’re welcome.

Call ends 4:07

Martin had a right to Stand

rmrd0000 — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:48:57 +0000

In reply to Martin should have shot the

Martin had a right to Stand His Ground

Martin should have shot the

rmrd0000 — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 13:17:25 +0000

In reply to I hear Zimmerman didn't clean

Martin should have shot the scary guy following him for no reason. Zimmerman was an armed stranger who did not identify himself as neighborhood watch. Hopefully the next Zimmerman will be gunned down.

Z says M ran at 7:12:08 and

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:19:47 +0000

In reply to Zimmerman did say Ok and he

Z says M ran at 7:12:08 and ran himself for about 20 secs then slows down to finish his call. From same link, fight would have started about 7:15:30 (his guess that T-Mobile's net shows ~30 seconds delayed to actual; time is after Zimmerman hung up with police at 7:13:51).

So that's about 3 1/2 minutes M had to go down this path. Maybe he hid. Maybe he just waited. What he didn't do is get very far away running from a doughboy running out of breath while talking on a phone and then walking while talking calmly on the phone. Here you can see the path (4th button under "trailing Trayvon"). Not very far to get there & past 1 door to the right in 3 1/2 minutes. Dee Dee/Jeantel didn't mention Trayvon hiding.

Zimmerman did say Ok and he

ocean-kat — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 07:05:42 +0000

In reply to I hear Zimmerman didn't clean

Zimmerman did say Ok and he did seem to stop running. But he did not stop following Martin. He continued walking in the direction Martin had run. He claimed he was not following Martin, just walking in the same direction Martin was going. Serino laughed and said, that's following. He claimed it was to look at the street sign.

Or if you see a scary stranger, run home rather than hang out waiting around the corner for the stranger to catch up to you.

Martin did run, and the person following got out of his car and run after him. So Martin hid. Like a scared little rabbit he ran. When the guy following him ran after him, like a scared little rabbit he hid and froze. The guy continued walking in the direction of his hiding place.

Or why do you think Martin ran? Not scared, maybe a clever ploy to draw Zimmerman out of his car?

I hear Zimmerman didn't clean

PeraclesPlease — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 04:52:15 +0000

In reply to The only person Trayvon

I hear Zimmerman didn't clean his plate as a child - truly an evil person.

You keep repeating this bullshit as if Zimmerman had his gun out walking the streets looking for a victim, rather than calmly replied "OK" when a dispatcher said "you don't need to do that" and seemed to stop running. [this part is fact - we have a recording]

Perhaps it would be simpler to teach your child not to punch an adult stranger in the face, or that if you're going to smoke dope, be careful wandering around unknown neighborhoods in the dark in the rain. Or if you see a scary stranger, run home rather than hang out waiting around the corner for the stranger to catch up to you. These little details of child rearing that parents often neglect.

The only person Trayvon

rmrd0000 — Wed, 24 Jul 2013 01:03:07 +0000

In reply to What is it you all don't

The only person Trayvon Martin , unarmed African-American teen, had to fear was an armed vigilante who would be backed up by the justice system when the vigilante committed murder.The solution, teach your formerly unarmed teen how to shoot under stress. Kill the next vigilante before he has a chance to kill you. Keep your child alive by teaching him self-defense. Let your child be the one left alive to tell the story about the person who assaulted a police officer and had a restraining order filed against him.

What is it you all don't

Resistance — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:58:28 +0000

In reply to Actually, o-k made a very

What is it you all don't understand. George Zimmerman had NO intentions of ANY confrontation, not even face to face contact or conversation with Trayvon. By Zimmerman's own actions or lack of action; he proved he was only interested in an observation capacity. Proving once again, Trayvon was the confrontational one. Trayvon attacked Zimmerman immediately after asking George "You got a problem" and George responding " No, I dont have a problem: and Trayvon immediately said "You got one now MF" It was Trayvon who caused his own death, when he attacked an armed individual who feared for his life. Trayvon went looking for trouble and he found it. But we're all supposed to ignore those details because of Trayvons baby pictures? BS ........The lesson to be learned by everyone in the United States; the Second Amendment grants citizens the right to bear arms. Assume everyone is exercising that right ..... Avoid Confrontation.

You're answering a 6 month

PeraclesPlease — Tue, 23 Jul 2013 18:05:33 +0000

In reply to I teamed up with no one. Just

You're answering a 6 month old thread.