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That sounds like a whole

Orion — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:25:43 +0000

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That sounds like a whole different type of personality than Holmes. Holmes is pretty obviously on drugs - pictures show him either looking like he is about to fall asleep or with his eyes dilated. Then there is a story like this. Given his life story too, it's a pretty dramatic break to suddenly shoot as many people as he did.

There is alot at work here - the drugs make it worse.

I am glad I was able to

Orion — Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:21:54 +0000

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I am glad I was able to explain this well. I thought about this alot in the last year - obsessing was a coping mechanism to keep away from some of the really dark thoughts that my mental breakdown dumped on me.

You may be on to something, a

NCD — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 03:12:30 +0000

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You may be on to something, a 'recipe' alright, for disaster.

This behavior, now and then,

artappraiser — Fri, 11 Jan 2013 02:56:13 +0000

In reply to Aurora theater shooting: Cops took pill bottles from Holmes' apartment

This behavior, now and then, doesn't look like the effects of drugs alone, unless you're referring to biochemical changes produced by his own body:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/james-holmes-smiled-smirked-menacing-portraits-...

I am reminded of the circus, which I followed quite closely, of the Long Island Railroad massacre shooter Colin Ferguson finally defending himself in court after getting rid of Kunstler/Kuby and many other assorted lawyers. He was clearly bonkers in the courtroom, though he believed himself sane; court ordered shrinks ruled him competent to stand trial because he wasn't comatose or in a persistent vegetative state, I guess. Any family of victims who argued for his sanity were temporarily insane themselves, mho. Saturday Night Live's parody got it right, from the Wikipedia entry:

Ferguson was the subject of a Saturday Night Live comedy sketch in which he, portrayed by Tim Meadows, declared "I did not shoot them, they shot me" and asked witnesses questions about shooting him while they were on the stand.^[55]

That circus was cruel for everyone involved.

BTW, no SSRI's or Vicodin to blame in this case, was back in the early 90's.

Exactly. I agree. It's all

Orion — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:12:39 +0000

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Exactly. I agree. It's all about making money in America so all sorts of dangerous things are being allowed way past how they should be.

I had a doctor who prescribed Klonopin to me literally "as needed." I was to take several MGs literally whenever I felt stressed out. I would walk around with the jar of pills getting high all day long. Alot of customer reviews of Klonopin talk about how "your house could be on fire and you wouldn't think anything of it." Holmes' attitude was really unnatural. People don't just wait to be arrested after committing a crime.

If you give an already violent person painkillers and antidepressants, it may make their sociopathic tendencies all the worse. Make guns freely available and that sounds like a recipe for what's going on now.

Interesting points. Of

NCD — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 15:32:14 +0000

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Interesting points.

Of course, medications may make someone unemotional about killing 20 people, but a gun is the instrument used to do the actual deed, and it should clearly be the main focus of regulation. Who gave this guy those pills and why might of course be looked into however. He likely did not have an acute or chronic physical disease requiring heavy duty pain pills.

Holmes reportedly had as much

Orion — Thu, 10 Jan 2013 10:32:53 +0000

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Holmes reportedly had as much Vicodin in his system as killed Heath Ledger. His psychiatrist had been reprimanded for prescribing medications very liberally - including to family and friends.

Painkillers and antidepressants kill normal senses in the body in order to kill depression, pain and anxiety. Police apparently said that he seemed abnormally calm and seemed to "not have a normal emotional response to things." He actually seemed to literally wait outside in the parking lot for police to arrest him after he murdered all of those people. That is really strange - usually even the worst serial killers avoid police.

His pupils were also seriously dilated in his booking photo, which is most likely the cause of heavy duty medication.

Drug use comes up in nearly all of these mass killings. Read Peter Hitchens' coverage - it is worth reading. I'm not saying that you should ban prescription drugs, that is obviously ridiculous, but drugs are passed out in our society way more liberally than they ever should be.

It doesn't personally make sense that there seemed to be factions that think guns should be freely available but that overmedication is a problem and sides that think the exact opposite. Both guns and medications are dangerous enough that there should be serious regulations on them - more so than we obviously have.

So what? What were they? Was

NCD — Wed, 09 Jan 2013 15:54:55 +0000

In reply to Aurora theater shooting: Cops took pill bottles from Holmes' apartment

So what? What were they? Was he taking them? If so for what? Who doesn't have prescription bottles in their medicine cabinet?